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| gema | mwagner_lap: ping | 08:26 |
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| gema | smeisner: ping | 08:27 |
| gema | rook: ping | 08:27 |
| gema | (I should probably have said redhat: ping :D) | 08:27 |
| mwagner_lap | gema pong | 10:14 |
| mwagner_lap | sorry have been on vacation | 10:14 |
| gema | mwagner_lap: no worries | 10:38 |
| gema | mwagner_lap: we are in the process of creating two talks for tokyo | 10:39 |
| gema | mwagner_lap: and would like your presence if you guys want to | 10:39 |
| gema | mwagner_lap: at this point it is just the proposal, we'll work on the presentations closer to the date | 10:39 |
| gema | mwagner_lap: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tailgaters-tokyo-summit | 10:39 |
| gema | mwagner_lap: we are going to make the submissions between today and early next week | 10:40 |
| gema | mwagner_lap: so if you guys want to be there talking at the summit (in case we get approved) add your name | 10:40 |
| gema | mwagner_lap: I think the more company variety we have the better | 10:40 |
| gema | in terms of getting our message across | 10:40 |
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| mwagner_lap | gema ok, let me check into it | 10:55 |
| gema | mwagner_lap: ack | 10:56 |
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| rook | gema pong | 12:23 |
| rook | gema yeah, I hvae been tracking the emails | 12:23 |
| rook | I won't be able to make it to Tokyo -- I have a wedding to go to! | 12:23 |
| rook | :D | 12:23 |
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| gema | rook: congrats :D | 12:52 |
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| beisner | hi all - same for the 2nd talk (b) - please add yourself to the speakers section if you wish to be listed on the proposal. anyone here is welcome of course, and i think a diverse presentation will be a good presentation! https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tailgaters-tokyo-summit | 14:01 |
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| beisner | gema, updated 2nd talk section with an outline to clarify. | 14:19 |
| * gema goes and looks | 14:19 | |
| gema | beisner: sounds good, I guess | 14:21 |
| gema | can you go and propose a talk without any details on the outline? | 14:21 |
| beisner | yes | 14:21 |
| gema | (maybe I don't know what outline means xD) | 14:21 |
| gema | ack | 14:21 |
| gema | let's do the same for the other one | 14:21 |
| beisner | all we need to have right now are the abstracts | 14:21 |
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| gema | beisner: haven't been able to get one of the redhat folks to add their name, mwagner was looking into it and smeisner is not there yet | 14:22 |
| gema | beisner: rook won't be in tokyo | 14:22 |
| gema | or cannot attend, rather | 14:23 |
| gema | beisner: can you have a look at abstract 1 and give it the englishness you possess and I dont? | 14:29 |
| gema | O:-) | 14:29 |
| beisner | lol sure | 14:29 |
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| gema | clee: ping | 14:30 |
| gema | clee: are you interested in being a speaker in any of the talks? | 14:30 |
| gema | talk on behalf of dreamhost, maybe? | 14:30 |
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| clee | gema: which talks? | 14:30 |
| gema | clee: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tailgaters-tokyo-summit | 14:31 |
| clee | oh, Tokyo! | 14:31 |
| gema | clee: we are preparing two talk proposals for tokyo | 14:31 |
| gema | a bit early in our journey but the calls for talks is now | 14:31 |
| clee | I don't even know if I will be in Tokyo :-/ | 14:31 |
| malini | gema: ping | 14:31 |
| gema | malini: \o/ | 14:31 |
| malini | clee: I dont know either..But lets pretend that you'll be there - if we get accepted & all the good stuff, we'll figure out then | 14:32 |
| gema | clee: I think we are all in the same boat | 14:32 |
| malini | gema: hope you had a great vacation :) | 14:32 |
| gema | malini: I was just on my way to spain to see my dad | 14:32 |
| gema | no vacation | 14:32 |
| gema | malini: they don't have internet on planes in europe, that's all | 14:33 |
| gema | :D | 14:33 |
| clee | I would be happy to give a talk if I'm there :) | 14:33 |
| malini | Can we start cleaning up Proposal A? | 14:34 |
| gema | malini: sure | 14:35 |
| malini | gema: I can do tomorrow morning as well if that's a better time for you | 14:35 |
| gema | malini: I have already started, my day ends quicker than yours | 14:35 |
| gema | malini: tomorrow is saturday and I am visiting family | 14:35 |
| gema | I don't think so x) | 14:35 |
| malini | yeah..its weekend | 14:36 |
| malini | lets get this figured today | 14:36 |
| gema | malini: do you want me to fire up a hangout so we can talk whilst we write on the pad? | 14:36 |
| malini | hmm..I am in another meeting right now, wont be free for another hour | 14:36 |
| malini | which will be really late for you | 14:36 |
| gema | it'll be my next meeting for me | 14:36 |
| gema | x) | 14:36 |
| gema | and then EOD | 14:37 |
| malini | :( | 14:37 |
| gema | ok, I am going to do as much as I can this hour | 14:37 |
| gema | and then we catch up in 5 mins and you keep going | 14:37 |
| gema | if we can wait to submit it until monday it'd be better | 14:37 |
| malini | ok.. | 14:37 |
| smeisner | gema: I won't be able to make tokyo either...not a wedding, more budgetary constraints | 14:37 |
| gema | see if we can get redhat onboard as well | 14:37 |
| gema | smeisner: :( | 14:37 |
| malini | I can join early morning monday my time, so we get some time | 14:37 |
| gema | malini: will send you an email and you can submit the proposal | 14:38 |
| smeisner | i know...i was looking forward to visting tokyo ..esp w/ rook | 14:38 |
| gema | smeisner: he's getting married | 14:38 |
| gema | or going to a wedding, I am not sure :D | 14:38 |
| smeisner | i know ... coworker's wedding | 14:38 |
| gema | smeisner: he said very enigmatically that he had a wedding to attend to :D | 14:38 |
| smeisner | if he's getting married again, i want to attend!! :) | 14:39 |
| gema | clee: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tailgaters-tokyo-summit <- add yourself to the list | 14:39 |
| gema | smeisner: hahaha, then it is not his wedding, lol | 14:39 |
| gema | clee: and make sure you add anything you want to add | 14:40 |
| gema | beisner: you don't need to copy | 14:40 |
| gema | beisner: you are welcome to change the phrasing in situ | 14:41 |
| gema | guys you are too polite | 14:41 |
| gema | cut and change and morph into better | 14:41 |
| gema | \o/ | 14:41 |
| gema | beisner: shall we talk about defcore and how it is a good place for us to start on the abstract? | 14:42 |
| gema | beisner: CD? | 14:43 |
| gema | don't go overboard with acronyms :D | 14:43 |
| gema | who is writing option 3? | 14:44 |
| gema | hockeynut: is that you? | 14:44 |
| malini | me… | 14:45 |
| malini | my head is 50% in the meeting | 14:45 |
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| beisner | well i didn't say you had to delete yours gema lol | 14:46 |
| gema | beisner: yours sounds better | 14:47 |
| gema | beisner: but I am still unconvinced | 14:47 |
| malini | which section are you guys working on? | 14:47 |
| * beisner thinks gema is generally difficult to convince ;-P | 14:47 | |
| gema | beisner: I'd like to talk more about the what and less about the how | 14:47 |
| gema | beisner: you are all about the how | 14:47 |
| gema | :D | 14:47 |
| beisner | A) is what | 14:47 |
| gema | malini: look at the talk 1 in abstract | 14:47 |
| beisner | B) is how | 14:48 |
| gema | beisner: yet you are talking tools and existing test frameworks and whatnot | 14:48 |
| malini | gema: cool..I will stop Option3 right now | 14:48 |
| gema | that is how | 14:48 |
| gema | malini: thanks | 14:48 |
| gema | malini: join in on the abstract on talk A | 14:48 |
| beisner | underscore the first sentence. that is the main subject | 14:48 |
| beisner | the last sentence is there to make sure people know we intend to collaborate, not duplicate efforts. make sense? | 14:48 |
| gema | ok | 14:48 |
| gema | no no | 14:48 |
| gema | last sentence is not good, imo | 14:49 |
| gema | that goes in the other talk, or? | 14:49 |
| gema | ahh, I see what you mean | 14:49 |
| beisner | reasons == motivations to me gema | 14:49 |
| gema | beisner: yeah, but that is what rally and tempest are all about | 14:49 |
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| gema | beisner: imo this effort is not about tooling, it is about test coverage and testing deployed clouds | 14:50 |
| gema | whatever the means | 14:50 |
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| gema | beisner: what is system integrator staff? | 14:51 |
| gema | we are a system integrator? | 14:51 |
| malini | beisner: if reasons == motivations, feel free to get rid of the reasons | 14:53 |
| gema | sounds good, malini | 14:53 |
| gema | malini: I like the reasons | 14:53 |
| gema | reason to do something sometimes is not the same as the motivation | 14:54 |
| gema | maybe I am not english enough, though | 14:54 |
| gema | yep, they are the same | 14:54 |
| gema | according to google dictionary | 14:54 |
| malini | gema: same here ..english as a second language :D | 14:54 |
| gema | beisner++ | 14:54 |
| hockeynut | gema option 3 isnt me | 14:55 |
| gema | hockeynut: yep, it was malini | 14:56 |
| gema | we stopped her already | 14:56 |
| gema | rallied the tropps | 14:56 |
| gema | troops | 14:56 |
| gema | hockeynut: are you a native english speaker? | 14:56 |
| hockeynut | yes | 14:56 |
| gema | hockeynut: we want you to read and change if you need to, then | 14:57 |
| gema | :D | 14:57 |
| hockeynut | sure - which one(s)? | 14:57 |
| beisner | gema, malini, hockeynut - Proposal A, option 77 ;-) is more or less how I would suggest we submit A. | 14:57 |
| hockeynut | gotcha | 14:57 |
| beisner | gema, malini, hockeynut the huge Proposal A / Proposal B sections are to collect what we actually submit. | 14:58 |
| gema | malini: I don't get what you are writing in the format | 14:58 |
| gema | malini: differences of testing the same thing ? | 14:58 |
| malini | gema: different approaches/toolsets | 14:59 |
| gema | ahh | 14:59 |
| malini | in testing the same code | 14:59 |
| hockeynut | proposal A option 77 sounds good. Is the second paragraph (line 24) a different proposal, or just another part of option 77? | 14:59 |
| gema | malini: sounds good what I just wrote? | 14:59 |
| malini | yes | 15:00 |
| gema | ack | 15:00 |
| gema | beisner: your keyboard is broken | 15:01 |
| gema | beisner: you insert two spaces everywhere! | 15:01 |
| * gema control freak | 15:01 | |
| gema | :D | 15:01 |
| malini | :D | 15:01 |
| gema | beisner: your wording was awesome, hockeynut likes it :D | 15:02 |
| gema | malini: in the tags, if we mention tempest I think we should mention rally too | 15:03 |
| jasonsb | i'm thinking about the "converging the testing practices across different companies" | 15:03 |
| jasonsb | this is a community track talk | 15:03 |
| gema | we don't want to alienate them | 15:03 |
| gema | jasonsb: yeah, that is a bit blunt | 15:03 |
| malini | gema: we should mention neither | 15:03 |
| jasonsb | maybe we can rephrase to converging the testing practices across different companies into a community based effort | 15:03 |
| gema | we welcome help from non corporate folk as well | 15:03 |
| jasonsb | yes | 15:03 |
| gema | jasonsb: edit edit! | 15:03 |
| jasonsb | big tent :) | 15:03 |
| malini | I would hate the discussions to be sabotaged into Tempest/ Rally good of bad | 15:03 |
| gema | malini: then we remove both | 15:04 |
| gema | and stick to defcore only | 15:04 |
| gema | not even refstack | 15:04 |
| gema | after all they are an effort to validate deployed clouds | 15:04 |
| gema | regardless of where they tests live | 15:04 |
| beisner | jasonsb, gema - s/companies/organizations/ ? | 15:04 |
| jasonsb | yes | 15:05 |
| jasonsb | better | 15:05 |
| gema | malini: I have turned QA into Quality, after all we are not assuring anything yet | 15:05 |
| gema | (boy I love that sentence from one of my managers in the past) | 15:05 |
| gema | :D | 15:05 |
| malini | good idea..I hate QA anyways ;) | 15:05 |
| beisner | ha! | 15:05 |
| gema | beisner: you know him x) | 15:05 |
| gema | beisner: removing tempest from talk 2 also | 15:06 |
| gema | beisner: let's not make this about tools | 15:06 |
| beisner | B is all about tools gema | 15:06 |
| malini | & we should be very careful not to alienate any of them in our verbiage | 15:06 |
| gema | beisner: it is about what each of us are doing | 15:07 |
| gema | beisner: if you mention tempest you ought to mention all the other test tools we are using | 15:07 |
| beisner | gema - and how we're doing it. | 15:07 |
| gema | including the ones cisco mentioned the other day , rally, etc | 15:07 |
| malini | if tempest/rally is one of the tools any of the companies use internally, it should be ok to mention them | 15:07 |
| beisner | i agree | 15:07 |
| malini | But lets not make tht center of our focus | 15:07 |
| gema | we are either super explicit and exhaustive on the tags or we don't mention tools until we are down to what we are doing | 15:07 |
| beisner | i think we can just tag those | 15:08 |
| gema | ok, include rally as well | 15:08 |
| jasonsb | i think dont mention | 15:08 |
| jasonsb | as it will morph quite a bit as we get closer to october | 15:08 |
| jasonsb | and we tune the talk content | 15:08 |
| beisner | so there are already some pre-determined tags, and we may not want to get hung up on QA vs Quality type of things | 15:08 |
| gema | beisner: qa is overloaded in the openstack context | 15:09 |
| gema | and has all the wrong connotations for what we are trying to do :) | 15:09 |
| gema | let's not hijack other people's names | 15:09 |
| gema | beisner: what are the tags used for anyway? | 15:10 |
| gema | beisner: maybe we should add automation | 15:10 |
| beisner | from the submission page: "You can optionally add tags help attendees find presentations that interest them. Examples: nova, ubuntu, ldap" | 15:11 |
| gema | beisner: ok, then mentioning tempest and rally will get us quality inclined people | 15:11 |
| gema | let's put both in | 15:11 |
| gema | since that is all there is today | 15:11 |
| jasonsb | qa might end up in the qa track of the phone app | 15:11 |
| gema | jasonsb: ^ ? | 15:11 |
| beisner | so if i am an attendee, and I want to filter on CI or QA or anything that touches on tempest, those talks that have a lil tag cloud may be better-attended | 15:11 |
| jasonsb | i wonder | 15:11 |
| gema | beisner: ahh, ok | 15:12 |
| gema | so QA is also needed | 15:12 |
| jasonsb | beisner: your right | 15:12 |
| beisner | tempest is relevant. rally is relevant | 15:12 |
| gema | QA is relevant | 15:12 |
| beisner | imho of course ;-) | 15:12 |
| gema | and defcore? | 15:12 |
| jasonsb | hmmm | 15:12 |
| gema | maybe it is tangential in this case? | 15:12 |
| jasonsb | id put it if we think we can add value there | 15:13 |
| gema | Integration testing is relevant, whether anyone will bother to type it or not | 15:13 |
| gema | is a different issue | 15:13 |
| jasonsb | otherwise we would just be borrowing | 15:13 |
| gema | jasonsb: that's the only place we are going to have time to add value this cycle, imo | 15:13 |
| gema | jasonsb: because they are organised already and have a list of tests they run | 15:13 |
| gema | jasonsb: so improving that is quite straight forward | 15:14 |
| gema | and they have a place to put their tests (tempest) | 15:14 |
| jasonsb | can we improve it? | 15:14 |
| gema | and if you guys don't want to contribute to them, I am changing teams.. lol | 15:14 |
| jasonsb | i mean in a strong enough way? | 15:14 |
| gema | jasonsb: yes | 15:14 |
| gema | jasonsb: or else we don't stand a chance of success | 15:14 |
| gema | imo | 15:14 |
| jasonsb | i can see your point | 15:15 |
| jasonsb | however | 15:15 |
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| jasonsb | defcore is concentrating on the core projects which have the best testing | 15:15 |
| malini | zaqar has good tests | 15:15 |
| jasonsb | the rest of the big tent is kind of left to fend for themselves | 15:15 |
| malini | I worked on them ;) | 15:15 |
| jasonsb | sorry, i mean real scenario tests which include multiple projects | 15:16 |
| jasonsb | outside of core then there is no clear strategy | 15:17 |
| jasonsb | that said, i'm all for contributing to defcore | 15:17 |
| jasonsb | i just think the bar is higher there | 15:17 |
| gema | jasonsb: higher than what? | 15:18 |
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| malini | I am done with my meeting - anybody thinks we need to get into a hangout? | 15:20 |
| gema | malini: it may be quicker | 15:20 |
| malini | gema: you have a business grade acct? | 15:20 |
| malini | can u start one & we can join? | 15:21 |
| gema | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/tokyo-proposals | 15:21 |
| gema | yep | 15:21 |
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| malini | I am stuck @ 'Trying to join…..' | 15:23 |
| malini | :/ | 15:23 |
| malini | anybody else having the same issue? | 15:23 |
| malini | gema: does it require any special access? | 15:24 |
| malini | 'This party is over... | 15:24 |
| malini | But you can start a new one. Error: HJR: 2-RNF | 15:24 |
| malini | ' | 15:24 |
| malini | grrr.... | 15:25 |
| hockeynut | same here | 15:25 |
| malini | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g43my3i3smwxtaf63n5jth7squa | 15:25 |
| malini | tht is just my public hangout | 15:25 |
| malini | gema & co : can u join that? | 15:25 |
| jasonsb | i'm looking for a word to replace spinning off | 15:28 |
| jasonsb | i see us as giving test tools and test practices a home | 15:28 |
| jasonsb | where the UX matters | 15:28 |
| hockeynut | beisner I mentioned to Gema, a friend of mine just left IBM for Canonical, managing Ubuntu server - Jon Grimm | 15:29 |
| malini | clee: ping | 15:29 |
| clee | pong | 15:29 |
| jasonsb | gema: re higher than what? | 15:31 |
| jasonsb | gema: i'm just going to agree with you :) | 15:31 |
| gema | clee: are you happy with us to mention dreamhost in the abstract of talk B? | 15:33 |
| gema | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tailgaters-tokyo-summit | 15:33 |
| clee | gema: for sure! | 15:34 |
| gema | clee: ack | 15:34 |
| gema | clee: wanted to make sure and not get sued :P | 15:34 |
| clee | haha, no problem | 15:35 |
| beisner | https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/call-for-speakers/ | 15:35 |
| clee | sorry I'm not more actuve this week; I've been at Gophercon and the wifi is not exactly reliable | 15:36 |
| clee | so I'm on IRC through ssh from my phone | 15:36 |
| gema | clee: no worries, you are active every other week | 15:36 |
| gema | just wanted to make sure we are not dumping you into something you don't want to do :) | 15:36 |
| gema | or your company, for that matter | 15:36 |
| * clee nods | 15:36 | |
| jasonsb | i'm trying to think of a way to give a teaser for what testing beyond the gate might entail in teh abstract | 15:37 |
| malini | jasonsb: want to join the hangout? | 15:38 |
| jasonsb | oh is it working? | 15:38 |
| jasonsb | sure, give me 5min | 15:39 |
| malini | jasonsb: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g43my3i3smwxtaf63n5jth7squa | 15:40 |
| malini | & anybody else | 15:40 |
| malini | spyderdyne: ^ | 15:42 |
| malini | smeisner: ^ | 15:42 |
| gema | clee: you need to add your speaker bio | 15:50 |
| gema | so that we can add you to the talk | 15:51 |
| spyderdyne | cant join at the moment, sry | 15:51 |
| gema | clee: https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/call-for-speakers/ | 15:51 |
| gema | spyderdyne: you'll need to create a bio so we can add you to the talks ^ | 15:56 |
| jasonsb | oh, was the abstract for a submitted already? | 15:58 |
| jasonsb | i wasn't paying attention | 15:58 |
| spyderdyne | updated. | 15:58 |
| gema | jasonsb: for B | 15:59 |
| gema | jasonsb: malini will submit A soon | 15:59 |
| gema | jasonsb: we can edit until the 15th | 15:59 |
| jasonsb | oh got it | 16:00 |
| gema | jasonsb: update your bio | 16:00 |
| jasonsb | will do | 16:00 |
| spyderdyne | is there a link my my speaker bio? | 16:01 |
| gema | https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/call-for-speakers/ <- log in and update | 16:05 |
| gema | spyderdyne: ^ | 16:05 |
| spyderdyne | i did | 16:07 |
| spyderdyne | do you need a link to it or anything? | 16:07 |
| malini | beisner: I have a bio now | 16:07 |
| clee | gema: will do once I have better bandwidth :) | 16:08 |
| malini | gema, beisner, hockeynut: do u guys see another presentation in ur listing? | 16:15 |
| beisner | malini, added to the B talk; yep I see the other one has appeared :-) | 16:23 |
| mwagner_lap | gema talks look good, I would suggest submitting as possible :) | 16:38 |
| mwagner_lap | Fine if you add my name but my area of expertise is performance and scalability, something this group is not focusing on at the moment | 16:39 |
| jasonsb | i am very interested in performance and scalability | 16:41 |
| jasonsb | i suppose there is a pick-your-battles strategy in play though | 16:42 |
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| malini | beisner: can you submit the presentation & keep editing it till Jul 15? | 18:46 |
| beisner | malini, yes | 18:54 |
| malini | cool..let me go ahead & just submit it in tht case | 18:54 |
| malini | I just submitted it | 18:56 |
| malini | I might be available only on & off till Jul 15th | 18:56 |
| malini | beisner, gema, hockeynut: feel free to edit/ add speakers | 18:56 |
| malini | we are still missing some folks without the bios | 18:57 |
| beisner | ditto on B | 18:57 |
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