Thursday, 2015-07-16

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beisnerwell heck00:53
beisnerOne or more of your OpenStack Summit Tokyo speaking submissions is incomplete.00:53
beisner00:53
beisnerPlease proceed HERE and log in with your credentials to complete your Presentation Profile and assign your Speakers. Please note that ALL speakers must log in and complete their profile for your presentation to be complete.00:53
beisnerAll speaking submissions must be completed by TONIGHT, July 15 at 11:59pm PT.00:53
beisner^^ someone hasn't accepted all of the terms, and the email msg i got is amazingly not-helpful00:54
beisnerit doesn't say which presentation, nor which individual00:54
beisnerclee, jasonsb, gema, malini, malini1, spyderdyne ^00:54
jasonsbratsy01:01
jasonsblooking01:01
beisnerfyi, asked in -infra ... also sent email as they recommended.  at least one other person said they received the same ominous nonspecific woops mail.01:03
jasonsbhow do i check it?01:08
jasonsbi see my speaker bio01:09
jasonsbbut no legal stuff there01:09
jasonsbbeisner: i suspect its the legal agreement for the individual member agreement01:14
jasonsbbeisner: https://www.openstack.org/profile/agreements01:14
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jasonsb_beisner: i am getting suggestion to remove speakers to get it to submit01:27
jasonsb_beisner: and then add back tomorrow01:27
beisnersome msgs were sent out in error   #openstack-infra01:32
beisnerawaiting the dont-worry-after-all message to find out if we were one of the erroneous alerts or not01:33
jasonsb_ah ok01:33
beisnerif not, i will probably do just that - remove people then re-add01:33
beisnerre-add later that is01:33
beisnerthe problem is we don't get any sort of immediate feedback01:33
jasonsb_re-add after midnight maybe01:34
beisnerthese were all submitted last week, and two people were added yesterday01:34
jasonsb_maybe gema can play with it01:34
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beisnerwoot.  we're in the clear.  "Thank you for following up. We have double checked & your OpenStack Summit session submissions are COMPLETE. We will be following up via email shortly, but no further action is required on your end."02:18
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malini2ready for meeting?17:00
malini2I didnt know it was my persona 2 :d17:00
cleehaha17:00
* clee is ready17:00
gemago for it17:01
malini2#startmeeting tailgate17:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 16 17:01:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is malini2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tailgate'17:01
malini2#topic rollcall17:01
malini2so who is around?17:01
cleeo/17:01
malini2o/17:01
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jasonsbme17:01
gema0/17:01
spyderdynehere17:01
* malini2 waits for tht last person17:02
malini23…2..1…17:02
malini2lets get started17:02
malini2#topic Action items from last week17:02
malini2spyderdyne composing a spec to present to rally on topic of17:02
malini2    rally cleanup17:02
malini2spyderdyne: any updates on tht?17:03
gemamalini2: where is last week's log?17:03
malini2good point gema17:03
malini2#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-07-09-17.01.txt17:03
gemata!17:03
malini2spyderdyne: want me to carry tht over to next week?17:04
spyderdynestill wip17:04
malini2ok..will carry tht over17:04
spyderdynethx17:04
malini2#action: spyderdyne composing a spec to present to rally on topic of rally cleanup17:04
malini2next one is..17:05
malini2spyderdyne check back to see if any updates/info for HA testing discussion17:05
spyderdyneon HA testing, I have a number of HA test plans and am working with another internal group to execute them over the next week or so17:05
spyderdynewe have started work on it17:05
malini2cool..anything we can help you guys with?17:05
spyderdynewill definitely have results/feedback next weke17:05
jasonsboh neat17:05
spyderdynei have also starte don the google survey form17:05
spyderdynewill send links out in a few minutes17:06
malini2#action: spyderdyne to give more updates on HA testing17:06
spyderdyneroger roger17:06
jasonsbspyderdyne: i would be happy to test drive if you want17:06
malini2next one…17:06
malini2 gema to submit a few test runs of refstack and get familiar with it17:06
gemamalini2: haven't made progress in any of the two I have17:06
malini2the friendly folks here gave u some work while you were away gema ;)17:06
malini2will carry tht over17:07
gemamalini2: nah, it's carried over froom the previous :D17:07
malini2#action gema to submit a few test runs of refstack and get familiar with it17:07
malini2#action gema to talk to matthew about stable tempest kilo and report back17:07
gemamalini2: thanks17:07
spyderdynejasonsb: feel free to take it. i will give you what I have so far17:07
gematest drive what, I am a bit lost17:08
jasonsbspyderdyne: snds gd17:08
malini2#action spyderdyne, jasonsb to send out the google survey link on per project testing strategies17:08
jasonsbgema: test drive the goog form17:08
gemajasonsb: ahh, ok17:08
malini2ACTION: malini open topic of actioning tailgate members to circulate test strategy goog doc within respective company17:08
malini2will carry tht over till we have the survey17:08
malini2tht's all we had17:09
malini2on a positive note - we did submit our talks - yayyyy17:09
jasonsbthere are two that we didn't get to17:09
jasonsbclee to ping about the redhat tempest.conf17:09
cleejasonsb: I actually got a reply from dkranz and linked it here :)17:09
jasonsband the config mining part of the inspector17:09
spyderdynehttps://docs.google.com/forms/d/1fbY5MpMgnQmYT1l2KSjfUkKFqO_xnvgWWeTW4tt93ro/viewform?usp=send_form17:09
jasonsbclee: indeed :)17:10
cleeI've been looking into it a little bit but haven't had more than an hour or so to dedicate to it yet17:10
jasonsbclee: give a link for the bot to save?17:10
malini2#link https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1fbY5MpMgnQmYT1l2KSjfUkKFqO_xnvgWWeTW4tt93ro/viewform17:10
cleehttps://github.com/redhat-openstack/tempest/blob/kilo/tools/config_tempest.py17:10
cleealong with an unmerged patch he linked: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133245/17:10
gema#link https://github.com/redhat-openstack/tempest/blob/kilo/tools/config_tempest.py17:10
gema#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133245/17:11
jasonsb#link https://github.com/redhat-openstack/tempest/blob/kilo/tools/config_tempest.py17:11
gemajasonsb: done!17:11
jasonsbyour too fast for me17:11
jasonsbmalini2: did the talks get submitted ok?17:11
malini2jasonsb: yes17:11
jasonsbmalini2: beisner said there was some question about speaker profile17:11
jasonsbexcellent17:12
malini2I missed tht17:12
malini2jasonsb: the talk from my profile got submitted ok17:12
malini2But in the event we get accepted, we shud still be able to +/- speakers17:12
jasonsbwe should be ok then since speaker list was same for both iirc17:12
beisneryep there was a glitch in the matrix, not actually an issue with our proposal17:12
malini2I wouldn't worry too much abt tht17:13
jasonsbwe should all contribute to gema doc i think still17:13
jasonsb#link test strategy doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19N4lZJ5mYkQbkXrtBGntf7C1bWvwt1RKoSU8NerAphQ/edit#17:13
malini2I see 2/3 topics addressed above - do we want to start tackling them one by one?17:13
gemaspyderdyne: I have some comments on the questionaire17:14
gemawanna talk about it outside the meeting?17:14
malini2me too..17:14
gemashall we discuss then?17:14
malini2#topic: questionnaire17:14
gemamalini2: you rock :)17:14
malini2thanks gema - dont hear tht often :D17:14
gemamalini2: you go first :D17:14
malini2IMO instead of pointing to specific tools tempest/rally/ OOO - we shud leave them open ended17:15
spyderdyneok. fire away17:15
malini2Most of us have separate testing solutions & tht's what we are trying to find out -rt?17:15
gemathat's also my question, what are we trying to get out of this form17:15
spyderdyneyes17:15
spyderdynetools used, how used, a little bit about their architecture to quantify their responses17:16
malini2I was thinking something along the lines of - how do you test nova? how do you test swift etc.17:16
spyderdynei just threw something together real quick so feel free to hack and slash to your heart's desire17:16
gemanah, I wasn't here last week, so I really missed the rationale for the questionnaire17:17
spyderdynenot a problem17:17
malini2gema: we moved to the questionnaire format to collect as much info as we can, instead of spending weeks on talks from each company17:18
spyderdyneshoudl add a generic question like : what openstack components do you deploy and how do you test each one?17:18
gemaimo there are many different concepts mixed, like how many physical nodes you maintain (which for an integrator is kind of a weird question.. you mean in different clouds or in the same?) and you have questions about test suites but without asking about what they are trying to test17:18
spyderdyneor we can add a question for each item as well17:18
spyderdynei have no preference17:18
gemamalini2: info needs to be actionable and comparable17:18
spyderdynewe might get better data by separating them17:18
malini2I am thinking of how someone from Rackspace will answer this17:19
gemamalini2: yep, I am thinking the same about canonical17:19
malini2We have separate teams testing each of the components & no one person will have answer to all of these17:19
malini2Guess its the same for all of us?17:19
gemaI could probably ask around and answer all, and so could beisner17:19
spyderdyneDo you deploy components fm the Openstack Swift project?  If so which components do you use and how do oyu test/validate them?17:19
gemabut we have different clouds for different purposes, for instance and test in different ways for different reasons17:20
malini2spyderdyne: +117:20
spyderdynei can just run down the projects list and then add a question about projects that arent listed here17:21
malini2should we just brain dump on an etherpad ?17:22
malini2then spyderdyne can use that to consolidate into a questionnaire?17:22
gemago for it, I cannot really contribute until I  understand what we are trying to gather and why17:22
malini2ok -lets solve that first17:22
malini2'we test in different ways for different reasons'17:23
malini2but do have the same problems -rt?17:23
malini2we*17:23
gemaright17:23
gemato some extent, yes17:23
jasonsbi think just make the form specific to a openstack project17:24
malini2Right now one of the gray areas is how each of us are testing17:24
jasonsband then have place to list tools17:24
gemawe've discussed that on several occasions17:24
malini2hmm..I mean testing openstack when I use the generic word 'testing' - atleast in this channel17:24
malini2sorry17:24
gemayep17:24
gemaI mean, keep sharing what we have already discussed is not going to get us further, we have all this information in the log from the conversation we had in Vancouver, iirc17:25
spyderdynereload the form and check the last questions17:25
malini2gema: our intent is to collect info on how each of us are testing openstack, what commonalities do we have, what common gaps do we have, what we can borrow from somebody else & what we can tackle together17:25
gemamalini2: is all this information going to be public?17:26
malini2gema: yes17:26
jasonsbwe should make a etherpad to collect the things we want in the form and link it here17:26
malini2All of us are going to have some proprietary stuff17:26
gemait's not that17:26
malini2gema: can u clarify?17:27
gemalet's say I am wary about gathering all this information instead of focussing on where the gaps are in openstack and tackling those17:27
gemawhich is what really matters and trickles down to our own orgs very clearly17:27
malini2the gaps clearly affect all of us17:28
spyderdynei thought the intent was to gather information about the tools that people are using to test/validate openstack components to find common threads17:28
malini2But what if somebody os already working on some internal stuff tht aims to plug some of those holes?17:28
gemamalini2: exactly, what if that happens?17:28
malini2like what spyderdyne is doing on HA ?17:28
jasonsbspyderdyne: +1.  if everybody is testing it, its a candidate for tailgate17:28
gemathen that person either volunteers that information because they can or not17:28
spyderdynei guess it depends on what our goal is here17:29
gemamalini2: yep, he shared it, and we will share what we are doing with mojo specs in juju and we can share many things17:29
gemabut that doesn't get openstack to a better place17:29
gemathe things that we can contribute upstream that are not covered yet do17:29
malini2gema: tht gets us to a place where rackspace thinks that canonical stuff is cool & would like to work on taking tht further17:30
gemaspyderdyne: keep going17:30
jasonsbgema: but thats easy.  most are not covered17:30
gemajasonsb: exactly17:30
gemajasonsb: so let's get cracking instead of keeping gathering info that we are not acting on17:30
malini2why wud we want to act on stuff, which somebody might have already solved?17:31
jasonsbgema: as i see it, if everybdoy is testing some aspect of nova then there is a gap17:31
jasonsbgema: and we should promote that to priority in tailgate17:31
malini2jasonsb: +117:31
gemamalini2: we look at the gaps and share: I am tackling this, anything has this solved? no? cool, I will do it17:31
malini2if we put all those together, we probably will have something better than what we have today17:31
spyderdynewhat we can give openstack is a package of tools that someone can just pull and run that covers as many use cases as possible17:31
gemaspyderdyne: do you think we can build that out of all our different ways of running tests?17:32
spyderdyneinstead of haivng to reinvent the wheel every time someone deploys a cloud17:32
spyderdynei think we can use the form responses to identify common accepted testing methodologies and identify best practices17:33
malini2If we can use the same code to build a cloud, we can atleast share some stuff to test it17:33
gemaok, if you guys are convinced this is the way forward, let's do it and I will do my best to answer the questions, I however don't think I will be processing any info that comes out of it17:33
gema:D17:33
gemaI rather focus on the stuff that defcore are doing where they have a very defined set of tests and gaps17:33
gemawhere it is easy to start contributing17:34
spyderdyneideally someone shoudl be able to git checkout tailgate, input access credentials, and fire a battery against the components they have deployed17:34
gemaspyderdyne: yep, that's one of our goals17:34
jasonsbspyderdyne: +117:34
jasonsbi like the UX focus17:34
malini2this should not be mutually exclusive to contributing to defcore17:34
jasonsbfriendly to operators i should think would be welcome17:35
spyderdynei dont think we shoudl give preference or have any bias as to what tools to use, but rather identify the things that meet the requirements and provide them in a way that makes sense17:35
gemamalini2: agreed, just wanted to voice my concern17:35
gemamalini2: not going to stop you guys from gathering the info and will contribute all I can with our practices17:35
malini2gema: I am glad we are having this conversation17:35
malini2sounds like an existential question :)17:35
gemamalini2: it is17:35
jasonsbthis reminds me.  i would like to be in the defcore meetings17:36
jasonsbwhen are they?17:36
gemajasonsb: yesterday17:36
spyderdynesome of the data we collect will have no relevance, but collecting it is free and we may find a use for it right?17:36
gemaat 3UTC17:36
jasonsbis it same time every week?17:36
gemajasonsb: since yesterday, yes17:36
gemajasonsb: they changed to same time every week17:36
jasonsbgema: thnx17:36
gemanp17:36
gemajasonsb: they are going to be having a midcycle in austin in two weeks, so maybe that week there will be no meeting17:37
gemawe'll see17:37
malini2coming back to questionnaire17:37
jasonsbgema: i would propose that if we have good data, we might bring something to the table for defcore17:37
jasonsbgema: IE: unidentified gaps17:37
malini2gema: do you have concerns that this is a distraction?17:37
gemamalini2: absolutely17:37
gemamalini2: I think we are procrastinating17:37
malini2gema: what would be your ideal scenario?17:38
gemain a very technical way17:38
malini2start contributing to defcore?17:38
gemaand continue the efforts of the inspector gadget17:38
gemasee how it correlates with the stuff that redhat shared with us17:38
gemaI had a quick look the other day and they can sort of generate an automated tempest conf17:38
gemaso maybe contribute there and get it to where we want it to be17:39
gemaand start adding tests17:39
gemaI can add the ones I have seen missing17:39
gemayou can add yours17:39
gemawe can share what we are adding with each other17:39
jasonsbi vote we do both tracks17:39
gemaand make it grow17:39
malini2jasonsb: me too17:39
gemacoolio, let's do it17:39
jasonsbgema is right, we should get our hands dirty17:40
jasonsbthe process of working on defcore itself will vet our approach to the other17:40
gemavet?17:40
malini2Agreed - but I also want us to use stuff which might be already out there, instead of building new17:40
gemamalini2: nobody is sitting on tests that they are not sharing and if somebody is, this questionaire is not going to change that17:41
gemalet's share branches if you guys want17:41
gemabut many of our tests are going to be dependant on our tools17:41
malini2its not about ppl not wanting to share - & the questionnaire wont change attitudes17:41
jasonsbgema: i dont mind if it is dependent on your tools17:42
malini2It is just gathering info on what is available which somebody else can collaborate & take furthere17:42
gemamalini2: ok, let's do that17:42
jasonsbas i see it, i'm going to be spending my time on testing no matter what.  i would prefer to do it in tailgate and in the community17:42
gemayep, me too17:43
malini2lets do the questionnaire etherpad brain dump outside the meeting & move on17:43
gemaack17:43
gemasorry for derailing17:43
malini2gema: no -it was a good discussion17:43
jasonsbgema: so in conclusion17:43
malini2Thanks for starting that17:43
jasonsbwe have tactical (defcore) and strategic (community)17:43
malini2lets meet outside this meeting on the etherpad - like we did for the talk submission17:44
gemamalini2: ok17:44
gemamalini2: link for the etherpad?17:44
malini2spyderdyne: can you drive the scheduling/logistics?17:44
malini2it might just be hopping on to g+ when most folks are around17:45
malini2#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/questionnaire-test-approaches17:46
malini2moving on..17:46
malini2I am very curious to hear from gema on specific actionable stuff we can do bow17:46
malini2now*17:46
malini2any votes for that?17:46
malini2beep beep17:47
malini2BEEP BEEEP17:47
gemaI already said the two things I think to be front runners17:47
gemaone is continue the inspector gadget effort (which stopped after a week, I think), the other is to start adding tests to defcore17:47
gemaand submitting them to tempest17:48
gemaand if we do complete those two before tokyo17:48
gemaI bet we will have everybody's attention :)17:48
malini2gema: do you have a link to the gaps identified by defcore?17:48
gemaI have a link to the tests they have now17:48
spyderdynewe had previously mentioned an interst in developing an inspector detector/inspector gadget project for determining what components are available in a particular build17:48
gemaI just cannot find for the live of me the link in our etherpad17:48
spyderdyneare we still trying to do that?17:49
gemalife17:49
spyderdyneif so who can work on that?17:49
malini2spyderdyne: clee was doing some of tht17:49
gemaspyderdyne: yep, that's the one I was talking about , the link that clee shared from redhat17:49
gemadoes something similar to taht17:49
gemathat17:49
spyderdyneok17:49
jasonsbi'm working on config stuff17:49
gema(generates tempest based on some cloud)17:49
spyderdynegood stuff17:49
jasonsbbut i don't have it done yet17:49
gemajasonsb: have a look at the redhat project and try it, plz17:50
spyderdynewhat sort of scheduling/logistics needs to be sorted out?17:50
gemayou may be pleasantly surprised17:50
spyderdyneyou have a link?17:50
jasonsbgema: will do17:50
gemaspyderdyne: earlier in the log17:50
gemait will appear on the summary17:50
spyderdynethx17:50
malini2spyderdyne: do a brain dump on etherpad, then get together on g+ to chat & finalize the questionnaire17:50
malini2spyderdyne: braindump will come from everybody (A)17:51
malini2gema: if you can get us the link to the current tests vs desired, some of us can start adding some of tht17:51
gemamalini2: desired needs to be determined17:52
gemathey have what they have and then a list of capabilities17:52
gemaI will write an email on this subject tomorrow17:52
gemaso we are all on the same page17:52
malini2sounds good17:52
gemaaction?17:52
malini2u r getting tht now :)17:52
malini2#action: gema to send out the defcore details on actionable gaps17:53
gemaand guys, don't forget all the info here:17:53
gema#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/testing2.017:53
malini2#action: spyderdyne to finalize the questionnaire details with everybody17:53
gemawhenever we analyze the questionaire17:53
malini2gema: good point17:53
malini2we have 5 min left17:54
malini2anybody has something they wud like to discuss?17:54
gemachair for next week?17:54
malini2any volunteers?17:54
jasonsbgema :)17:55
gemahaha17:55
gemao/17:55
gemaok17:55
malini2#action: gema to chair next meeting17:55
spyderdyne:)17:55
malini2Anything else or we can chat abt weather for 5 min ;)17:55
gemado you know when we will have results for the talks?17:56
malini2some time in Sep17:56
jasonsbwould like to say thank you to malini gema and beisner for the talk submissions17:56
gemaoh, that's late17:56
gemayou are welcome jasonsb, exciting times17:56
beisnerhappy to, yes it is exciting17:57
malini2yes - I am really glad we found us all :D17:57
beisneryeah we'll basically have 6wks from acceptance to delivery if those proposals make it ;-)17:57
malini2sounds like we are out of topics now17:57
jasonsbi wonder if we can backchannel on our chances of getting approved17:57
malini2send candies?17:58
jasonsbheh17:58
beisnerlol17:58
gemajasonsb: start contributing to defcore17:58
gema:)17:58
gematest cases are candy in this case :D17:58
jasonsbindeed17:58
jasonsbdouble indeed17:58
malini2the talk should not be our main motivator17:59
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gemaagreed17:59
malini2Ultimately its what makes our lives easier :)17:59
malini2with tht, I am calling it done17:59
malini2thank you all !!!17:59
malini2#endmeeting17:59
jasonsbgood day17:59
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beisnerthanks everyone17:59
gemamalini2: thanks for chairing!17:59
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-07-16-17.01.log.html17:59
spyderdyneall the projects are listed in the form now18:09
spyderdynedepending on how many responses we get this could be valuable for a numbe rof project teams18:09
spyderdyneform responses will automatically populate a spreadsheet and we can add a dashboard or whatever once we have a good number of them18:11
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