Thursday, 2015-08-27

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spyderdynehello16:53
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malini\\\\\\\\\\o////17:00
malinihello spyderdyne!17:00
spyderdynehow are you? ;)17:00
maliniMy left hand waves more than my right :D17:00
malinigood - how are you?17:00
spyderdyneim the opposite17:00
spyderdynedoing well17:00
maliniI am just trying to find the right tag to start the meeting17:01
spyderdynewere our proposed talks rejected? i dont see them on the summit17:01
maliniOne of them is waitlisted17:01
spyderdyneok17:01
malinispyderdyne: didnt u get an email?17:01
spyderdynei did not17:02
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malinihmm..I thought all speakers would get one17:02
spyderdyneif i did i didnt see it17:02
spyderdyneno worries17:02
maliniAnyways let me try starting the meeting17:03
malini#startmeeting: tailgate17:03
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 27 17:03:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is malini. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:03
openstackThe meeting name has been set to '__tailgate'17:03
maliniI hope I used the right meeting name17:03
maliniI remember screwing up once & still dont know what is the right one :)17:03
malinianybody else here besides spyderdyne?17:03
malini#topic Rollcall17:04
spyderdynehere17:04
malinime too17:04
spyderdynehere again17:04
maliniguess we'll have ppl join along the way :)17:04
malini#topic: Review Actions from http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-08-13-17.00.txt17:05
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malinisomething is wrong - we shud see the bot set the topic..17:06
malinihmmmm17:06
beisnero/  hi all actualy made it today, time conflicts last few mtgs17:06
malinihey beisner!17:06
beisnerhi malini !17:06
maliniwe cud find a different time if tht'll make it easier for all17:06
beisnergenerally i think either gema or i can be here, so no need to scoot it on my account17:07
maliniok :)17:07
malinigoing back to actions17:07
malinispyderdyne to give more updates on HA testing17:07
malinispyderdyne: do you have something for us?17:08
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spyderdynei do17:08
spyderdynenot quite complete17:09
malinithe floor is yours :)17:09
spyderdyne#link http://spyderdyne.com/?p=192 Odin - A BASH Loader for Openstack Rally Scale Testing17:09
spyderdyneI am adding the code this afternoon17:09
malinithat is neat17:10
spyderdyneit is pretty basic, but it gets the job done nicely17:10
jasonsbneat17:10
maliniwe can always build on top of it17:10
spyderdyneits really nice to be able to set something in motion on friday afternoon and have it load tests and collect results all weekend17:11
malinispyderdyne: can you just put the code in your personal repo for now?17:11
jasonsbspyderdyne for president17:11
spyderdynepreviously I was having to be up all hours of the day and night guestimating when tests would complete17:11
spyderdynelol17:11
malini:D17:11
spyderdynei dont have a personal repo but am working on getting a corp sponsored one for it17:12
spyderdynefor the near future it remains a blog entry17:12
maliniok..17:12
spyderdynewill put it on github when i am able17:12
malinigreat..moving onto next17:12
malinijasonb to initiate the review of the questionaire on the ML17:12
malini    and handle review comments, review due to end early Sept (in case17:12
malini    people are on holidays)17:12
jasonsbcan you push that out a week.  i'm sorry17:13
malinisure..no worries17:13
malini#action: jasonb to initiate the review of the questionaire on the ML17:13
malini    and handle review comments, review due to end early Sept (in case17:13
malini    people are on holidays)17:13
jasonsbbig push here to get our product done.  didn't have much time left over17:13
malinitotally get it :/17:14
malininext one,17:14
malinijasonb to figure out the mechanics of getting endpoints and gurumeditationreport and maybe create a simple script that does this17:14
jasonsbsame :(17:14
maliniok..17:14
jasonsbit should be easy17:14
malini#action: jasonb to figure out the mechanics of getting endpoints and gurumeditationreport and maybe create a simple script that does this17:14
malininext one,17:14
malinimalini to try to write a test with tempest-lib that spins a VM and destroys is, as a POC17:15
malinithis will have to go over too :(17:15
malini#action: malini to try to write a test with tempest-lib that spins a VM and destroys is, as a POC17:15
malininext one,17:15
malinijose-idar to start a spec for component tests for nova (user17:15
malini    side, no admin), so we can all contribute cases and maybe implement17:15
malini    them at some point , but at least start to get organised17:15
malinijose-idar around?17:15
malinimoving it on17:16
malini#action: jose-idar to start a spec for component tests for nova (user side, no admin), so we can all contribute cases and maybe implement them at some point , but at least start to get organised17:16
spyderdyne#topic Mythos Project - Mythology themed Openstack Scale Testing Utilities17:16
spyderdyne#topic Medusa - Capacity and Scale testing for Openstack using Rundeck, NMap, Phoronix, Netcat, and BASH17:16
spyderdynethat's what im working on for the next 2 weeks17:16
maliniI like that :)17:17
spyderdyneOdin would fall under Mythos17:17
malininow I have to google odin17:17
spyderdynegod of death, healing, and sorcery who gets his pick of half the warriors who enter Valhalla17:17
spyderdyne:)17:17
jasonsbneat17:18
jasonsblinpack?17:18
malininow openstack shud become Valhalla17:18
jasonsb(i'm hpc guy in background)17:18
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spyderdynefor now i have an image i have generated with test suites included and will use phonomic server/client for benchmarking17:19
spyderdynethen it handles result sets17:19
spyderdynei am getting really good at killing large architectures17:19
spyderdyne:)17:19
maliniwhat is a phonomic server?17:20
spyderdynethe management utility for the phoronix test suite17:20
spyderdynean http frontend for execution, scheduling, discovery, and results aggregation17:20
spyderdynecomes prepackaged in the leter versions of phoronix-test-suite17:20
maliniI have never seen http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/ - but looks neat17:21
spyderdynei encourage everyone to test their kvm vs. vmware vs. aws performance17:21
spyderdyneit will blow you away how much faster openstack is with disk, ram, and proc17:21
jasonsbi have seen some very slow kvm instances before17:21
jasonsbit would be nice to test for that17:21
spyderdynemassive gains against AWS and decent gains against vmware17:22
spyderdynewho allocates 2.03 processors?17:22
spyderdynelol17:22
malinibookmarking it17:22
spyderdyneqemulator is faster than full KVM in my results, FYI17:23
maliniI will just carry over the rest of actions for next week, since its mostly gema - we can use the time so spyderdyne can enlighten us more & we can also talk abt the tokyo talk17:24
malini#ACTION: gema to continue with the strategy doc17:25
malini# ACTION: gema to check what parts of keystone are accesible without admin on ubuntu's distro17:25
malini#ACTION: gema to write a blog post about refstack-client running17:25
malini    experience17:25
malini#ACTION: gema to send out the defcore details on actionable gaps17:25
* malini thinks those tags are doing nothing17:25
malinispyderdyne: do you want to talk more abt phoronix & ur findings?17:26
spyderdynei suggest everyone look at the linuxbenchmarking.org tests17:27
spyderdynethey are very good17:27
spyderdynechess - processor, uses chess game AI and pitts cores against one another in simulated games17:27
spyderdynethey have everythign from unreal tournament engine benchmarks, to apache compile time, to disk IO simulations and network stack17:28
jasonsbneat.  i've used phoronix before to test out 3d vnc17:28
jasonsbquite good17:28
maliniit looks neat - I will start playing wit it17:29
spyderdyneunfortunately it only covers local loopback network performance, so I have gotten creative17:29
spyderdynetell me how this sounds17:30
spyderdynemedusa is an instance with a floating IP that runsinside the infrastructure on a large enough flavor to prevent other instances from living on the same hypervisor17:30
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spyderdynerundeck provides a web portal to kick off17:31
spyderdynekick off nmap scans of all the instances on a shared neutron internal net and build hosts lists17:31
jasonsb(you can cross check with nuetron port-list)17:32
spyderdynemenawhile the rundeck openstakc plugin finds all the nodes by tenant and can perform ssh cmmand execution on the in groups17:32
spyderdynewe kick off nmap scans of the private networks that the instances on the shared network are attached to to build hosts lists, then use netcat to send requests to every one from everyone17:33
spyderdynemassive network load17:33
spyderdynethen phonomic server discovers all the instances as well and can initiate intance internal testing17:33
spyderdynei am working on setting the medusa node as a jmeter master instead and making every single test instance an active slave to do the same and actually record the results and ship them back to medusa17:34
jasonsbi like it17:35
spyderdynethis allows us to perform full L2, L3, and IPv6 testing inside the overlay, still access our management host via floating IP address, and receive meaningful reports to take action on17:35
spyderdynefuture iterations will include logstash and zabbix server/agents17:36
malinitht is neat!17:36
jasonsbi have been thinking what kind of testing i would do to compare ironic setup vs kvm for same application17:36
jasonsbthis sounds like nice solution17:36
spyderdyneonce its ready i will use vargant to build these images on the fly so all you need to do is clone and exec17:36
spyderdynewe are pretty fed up with rally leaving messes behind and not getting the same results under the same conditions each time17:37
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spyderdyneits also very difficult to troubleshoot and manage test plans, and the code is not very well documented17:37
spyderdynei have volunteered to help on the rally project with the docs and am learning how sphinx works now though17:37
spyderdyneit keeps getting better, but isnt quite what we need yet17:38
spyderdynethat's about all i have on the topic17:39
jasonsbi wonder something17:39
jasonsbi was about to turn on vxlan offload with new mellanox firmware17:39
jasonsbbut i have been told that the silicon i have does drop ethernet frames17:39
jasonsbi would like a load test which would actually show that17:40
spyderdynesame goes for dell broadcom chipsets of you arent already aware17:40
jasonsbso has to generate network load, but be sensitive to the network hardware falling on its face17:40
jasonsbbnx2x?17:40
spyderdyneyes17:40
jasonsbwasn't aware but doesn't suprise17:41
spyderdynemassive issues with OVS in an overlay mode at scale17:41
spyderdynei was looking at finding a way to orchestrate HTOP or something to collect things like that17:41
spyderdynefor a local chipset test phoronix shoudl be able to cause most issues with tests to local stack i think17:42
jasonsbi was thinking of taking all VM's17:42
jasonsbtake 2 at a time and run linpack17:42
jasonsbdo for all permutations17:42
jasonsbthen ramp up the number until all nodes are being used by one linpack17:42
jasonsband see how bad the performance drops off17:43
jasonsbbut i still need a way to get a baseline for network between 2 VM's which would show dropped frames17:43
jasonsband other badness17:43
jasonsbwhat local chipset test would you recommend?17:44
spyderdynekloudbuster lets you pick specific hypervisors using scheduler hints and will create and delete them for each test run for you17:44
spyderdynebest node to node generator i know of17:44
spyderdynethen its just a matter of collecting the failures when they happen17:45
jasonsbhmmmm.17:45
jasonsbyour right17:45
spyderdyneyou can do node to node, rack to rack, whatever topology you like17:45
spyderdyneservers: hypervisor.domain.com17:45
spyderdyneclients: hypervisor.domain.com17:46
jasonsbi'll do both17:46
spyderdyneyou just feed it a list so you give it nodes in whatever physical location you want to hit17:46
jasonsblets see if they agree17:46
spyderdynegood idea17:46
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spyderdynei will take a look at linpack too17:47
jasonsbin my experience nothing breaks hardware like linpack17:47
spyderdynei managed to kill a cisco 9508 switch with kloudbuster17:47
spyderdyne:)17:47
jasonsbooooh neat17:47
spyderdynethose things hover and configure themselves ;)17:47
jasonsbextra points for big number model #'s :)17:48
jasonsbhave you tested with various gre/vxlan offload settings?17:48
jasonsbshould that be under purvue of tests somehow?17:48
jasonsb(to generate complete test matrix)17:49
spyderdynewe are only using VXLAN on overcloud with VLAN undercloud right now17:49
spyderdyneour focus so far has been to scale out to thousands of VLANS to see how many total ports, L3 agents, networks, etc. we can support in a physical topology17:50
jasonsbthats really good stuff17:51
jasonsband very tricky to get your head around, even for control plane only17:51
spyderdyneworking to be able to set up a builder that we can guarantee that automagically tells you how many net nodes, hpyervisors, control nodes, etc you need under an SLA17:51
spyderdyneit is17:51
jasonsbmy ambitions are much more humble17:51
spyderdynemy secret goal is to show why you shouldnt run an overcloud and need to move to containerized services for multiple reasons17:52
spyderdyneits been fun smashing things along the way but that's the loftier goal17:52
jasonsbi want to find out same info, but which passes criteria of not pushing data or control plane so hard that something breaks which can't be fixed with a script17:52
jasonsb(IE: needs a human)17:52
* malini thinks should upgrade my goals17:52
spyderdyneright17:52
spyderdynelol17:53
jasonsbi'm moving to kolla17:53
jasonsbso +117:53
spyderdyneso far i have just been building nuclear devices and setting them off in data centers but we are getting better at reporting and quantifying17:53
jasonsbmalini, you can put spyderdyne down for first one to put a blog post17:54
maliniI am overwhelmed with all the info, I dont even know what to put him down for :D17:54
jasonsbdo you run l2pop?17:54
jasonsbdoes it make a difference?17:54
malinispyderdyne: do you want to actionize urself? I dont think I can do justice17:55
spyderdynewhat do i need to do?17:55
malini'you can put spyderdyne down for first one to put a blog post' tht was from jasonb17:55
jasonsbwhich means malini, me, and gema all get action items :)17:56
spyderdynejust drop in etherpad? first post!?17:56
jasonsbspyderdyne is done17:56
malinihmm..so tht means now we get to work :D17:56
malinisure…sounds good17:56
jasonsbswitch to tokyo talk?17:57
malini#info: spyderdyne gets the first blop post award17:57
maliniSure17:57
malini#topic: Tokyo talk17:57
maliniso our talk is in alternative accepted state - I am not sure where tht puts us in the possibility spectrum17:57
maliniAnybody else knows?17:58
spyderdynefeasible, but not as interesting as something else maybe17:58
jasonsbi was told typically the committee accepts 10 talks and 2 alternates17:58
spyderdyneim sure there are several talks that have to be cancelled each summit17:58
jasonsbso if anybody drops there is good chance17:58
jasonsbbut thsi may be a datapoint from older summit, so the numbers might be different now17:58
spyderdynei dont know how any of it works17:59
spyderdyne:)17:59
maliniwe shud just start prepping as if we were accepted ? Its going to be a good exercise for us17:59
jasonsbi think so17:59
spyderdynesure17:59
jasonsbif anybody drops we have 50/50 chance maybe17:59
jasonsbbut i'm not sure17:59
spyderdynewhich talk was accepted?17:59
spyderdynewhich track?17:59
maliniwe shud just lock some of those accepted ppl in a hotel room ..BWAHAHAHAA18:00
malinichking the track now18:00
jasonsbdo we all have to fill out the web form saying we are going to be in tokyo and give our phone number?18:00
spyderdynei can work up a presentation on tools, and if we dont use it we can put it on slideshare anyway18:00
jasonsbwhat if we all dont'?18:00
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maliniI guess we should still do it (if we get to) if atleast some of us go18:01
maliniI am not sure if I can go with the travel budget stuff18:02
jasonsbyou have free pass18:02
jasonsbi booked hotel last night18:02
spyderdynei have paid my own way the two summits i attended, and i plan to go as long as nothing crazy comes up preventing me from it18:02
jasonsbstill need flight18:02
jasonsbdid you go to paris?18:03
malinigrr..I cant find the talk submissions :/18:03
jasonsbthat was expensiiiiivvveeee18:03
malinitokyo will be too :(18:04
spyderdynei didnt go to paris18:04
spyderdyneour currency is too weak there :)18:04
jasonsbmedium cappucino18:04
spyderdyneand i would probably apply for citizenship while is was there and never come back18:04
jasonsb$718:04
maliniwe are out of time & I never noticed. I'll end meeting bust we can continue chat here18:05
jasonsbmalini, we probably should do roll call for who is going and can give the talk18:05
malinijasonsb: ok..lets do tht now before ending18:06
jasonsbi was thihnking on ML18:06
malinisounds good..can does it have to be just the listed speakers or anybody in the ML?18:06
jasonsbtechnically, or just general concept?18:07
jasonsbtechnically the speakers can still be adjusted, no?18:07
maliniyes18:07
jasonsbi have no opinion18:08
maliniI am not sure if its technically allowed - but I know ppl have done tht18:08
spyderdyneif the talk actually happens i can be there18:08
malinisame here - I have a better chance if it actually happens18:08
spyderdynei have started eating sushi so i dont starve to death when i get there :)18:09
maliniyumm..yummm...18:09
jasonsbyou can eat like a king in asia18:09
maliniyes :)18:10
jasonsber queen18:10
maliniyou meant eat royally :)18:10
spyderdynebeing 2 to 3 times the size of the average resident i will need to18:10
spyderdynehopefully i dont get pulled into competitive sumo and miss the conference18:11
malini:D18:11
malinijasonsb: can u start the thread to poll who is going?18:11
maliniending for real now18:12
malini#endmeeting18:12
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maliniAs usual I screwed up the meeting name :/18:13
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spyderdyneodin utilities uploaded to blog @ http://spyderdyne.com/?p=19218:23
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gemamalini: thanks for chairning19:02
gemachairing!19:02
malinigema: & I screwed up the meeting name19:02
maliniagain!19:02
gemayou didn't get the name wrong, it is the startmeeting command xD19:02
gemayou put a : next to it19:02
gemalol19:02
malinias in '#startmeeting: '19:02
malini?19:02
gemayep19:02
malinigrr..19:03
gemait is the colon that screws it up19:03
gema(I think)19:03
gemaand I did receive the email with the talk being waitlisted too19:03
gemaand the invite for the summit19:03
maliniI am tempted to start one now, just to dump the logs19:03
gema:)19:03
gemamalini: go for it if you want19:03
gemait's a good idea :D19:04
malinilet me try19:04
malini#startmeeting: tailgate19:07
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malini17:03:11 <malini> #startmeeting: tailgate19:07
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malini17:03:26 <malini> I hope I used the right meeting name19:07
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gemamalini19:07
gemayou put the colon again19:07
gemashould be startmeeting tailgate19:07
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gema:D19:07
malini#endmeeting19:07
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malinitht didnt work19:08
malinigrrr19:08
gema#startmeeting tailgate19:08
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malini2:12 19:08
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malinitht is the link to the summary19:09
gema#endmeeting19:09
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gemacoolio19:09
gemaI am not sure what happened to the actions19:09
malinispyderdyne had a lot of cool stuff19:09
gemaI also normally delete the colon19:09
gemayep, I will read it tomorrow with a coffee19:10
malinigema: are you planning to be in Tokyo?19:10
gemamalini: I'd like to19:11
malinisame here :D19:11
gemabut unless our talk gets approved, I doubt it'll happen19:11
gemahttp://www.thetestingcorner.com/19:11
gemaI also posted something about us19:11
gemaI have another post in the making but haven't had the chance to finish it xD19:11
gemamalini: do they let you go with the invite that you got already?19:11
jasonsbhi gema19:12
gemajasonsb: o/19:12
jasonsbsorry i'm soo slow on the goog doc stuff19:12
malinidont think so - I'll have a  stronger case if its approved talk19:12
gemamalini: likewise19:12
jasonsbi hope to speed up now19:12
gemajasonsb: if it gets approved it will become critical19:12
gema:)19:13
gemajasonsb: until then, we have time19:13
jasonsbi'll hit it hard then19:13
jasonsbbtw spyderdyne stuff is good stuff19:13
jasonsbi hope to do same soon19:13
jasonsbour testing phase got delayed because i had some bugs that took me a while to fix19:13
maliniI am tempted to try tht at home - it was really cool19:13
jasonsbdebugging ovs is not obvious to me19:13
jasonsbi'm sorry to hear that you guys aren't all booked up for tokyo19:14
jasonsbi guess its expensive to send lots of people19:14
gemajasonsb: yeah, we don't get to go normally unless we have a talk approved19:15
gemalast time I decided to go19:15
gemaand I am glad I did cos I got to meet you all :D19:16
malinime too..tht was the best part of it!19:16
jasonsbi was actually hoping we could all get together in tokyo and take over a table in the hotel19:16
gemanow I can just keep going and work even if I only get to go once a year :D19:17
jasonsband start making our code repo19:17
gemajasonsb: whoever gets to go that should still happen19:17
maliniyes19:17
jasonsbif so we could ask thierry for a table19:17
gemajasonsb: yep19:17
jasonsbgema you should go19:20
jasonsbmalini too19:20
jasonsbi'll start a kickstarter for you19:20
gemajasonsb: lol, thanks19:22
gematime to go, guys19:23
gemanight19:23
jasonsbgema btw19:23
jasonsbi want to ask you sometime19:23
jasonsbfor test strategy for openstack services vs quota19:23
jasonsbseems pretty weak at moment19:23
gemajasonsb: add it to next week's agenda or ask me early in your day any day19:29
gemaor maybe we could star the conversation on the mailing19:29
gemaand see if someone else joins :D19:30
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