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| gema | hogepodge: well, it was me asking about the backwards compatibility vs trying to cover testing for all the versions of the API | 05:14 |
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| gema | hogepodge: I saw you guys all engaged in trying to cover all the versions and wasn't sure I was getting that right | 05:15 |
| gema | hogepodge: I remember when we were working on Symbian OS, we had a technical committee that we needed approval from every time compatibility had to be broken. It was a good thing because as testers we had guidance on what should pass and what should fail for each release | 05:16 |
| gema | hogepodge: so we were not testing "what was developed" but "what was supposed to be developed" | 05:16 |
| gema | hogepodge: so compatibility is an important milestone in maturity of a product, I think | 05:17 |
| gema | hogepodge: so I think that you are trying to make sure that different clouds apis are compatible with each other and allow users to run their apps seamlessly, however we don't seem to have anywhere near enough tests nor we have a way to know what to expect vs what was developed, so it is a bit difficult to get there but it is good that we are talking about the apis and capabilities | 05:20 |
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| spyderdyne | I have too many conflicts this week and am unable to attend the meeting. Apologies | 16:47 |
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| gema | #startmeeting tailgate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 10 17:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tailgate' | 17:00 |
| gema | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-09-03-17.00.html | 17:00 |
| gema | #topic rollcall | 17:00 |
| gema | hey, anyone around for the meeting today? | 17:01 |
| jasonsb | hi gema | 17:01 |
| gema | hi jasonsb | 17:01 |
| gema | jose-idar: around? | 17:02 |
| gema | let's give people some time to show up | 17:02 |
| jasonsb | i think spyderdyne said he couldn't make today due to conflict | 17:02 |
| gema | jasonsb: yep, I read that | 17:03 |
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| gema | alright, just you and me this time around it seems | 17:04 |
| gema | #topic Last week's actions | 17:04 |
| gema | jasonsb: you didn't get to the questionaire review, right? | 17:05 |
| jasonsb | i can send you my draft this afternoon | 17:05 |
| gema | sounds good | 17:05 |
| gema | will keep it on the log then | 17:05 |
| gema | and we'll have something else to discuss next week | 17:05 |
| jasonsb | then we can send to ml | 17:06 |
| gema | coolio | 17:06 |
| gema | #ACTION jasonb to initiate the review of the questionaire on the ML | 17:06 |
| gema | the other action I have for you on the log is | 17:06 |
| gema | jasonb to figure out the mechanics of getting endpoints and gurumeditationreport and maybe create a simple script that does this | 17:06 |
| jasonsb | didn't get to it yet | 17:06 |
| gema | alright, will carry it forward then | 17:07 |
| gema | #ACTION jasonb to figure out the mechanics of getting endpoints and gurumeditationreport and maybe create a simple script that does this | 17:07 |
| jasonsb | probably after sending out questionaire | 17:07 |
| jasonsb | (its easy) | 17:07 |
| gema | ok | 17:07 |
| gema | malini: you around? | 17:07 |
| gema | ok, let's go for mine next | 17:07 |
| gema | they are all going to be carried over till after my holidays | 17:08 |
| gema | or well, I can start the conversation about the new time slot before leaving | 17:08 |
| gema | and you guys discuss it | 17:08 |
| gema | #ACTION gema to continue with the strategy doc | 17:08 |
| gema | #ACTION gema to write a blog post about refstack-client running | 17:08 |
| gema | #ACTION gema to send out the defcore details on actionable gaps | 17:08 |
| gema | #ACTION gema to initiate conversation on the mailing about a new time slot | 17:08 |
| jasonsb | i'm starting to see your interest in defcore | 17:08 |
| gema | jasonsb: they need tests and we should be writing them | 17:09 |
| gema | :) | 17:09 |
| jasonsb | its also not a thing so much as a process | 17:09 |
| gema | they know where the gaps are, that's done for us | 17:09 |
| jasonsb | a process where compatbility (forwards, backwards) becomes a concern | 17:09 |
| gema | yep | 17:09 |
| gema | let me finish with the actions | 17:09 |
| jasonsb | or else you end up in the same pickle as keystone etc | 17:09 |
| gema | and then we can discuss defcore | 17:09 |
| jasonsb | sorry | 17:09 |
| gema | #ACTION malini to try to write a test with tempest-lib that spins a VM and destroys is, as a POC | 17:10 |
| gema | #ACTION jose-idar to start a spec for component tests for nova (user side, no admin), so we can all contribute cases and maybe implement them at some point , but at least start to get organised | 17:10 |
| gema | ok | 17:10 |
| gema | #topic defcore | 17:10 |
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| gema | you were talking about compatibility and some insight on what htey are doing | 17:10 |
| jasonsb | please correct me | 17:11 |
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| malini | sorry - network worries | 17:11 |
| jasonsb | but if you identify capabilities, then you need to determine which you can rely on | 17:11 |
| jasonsb | which leads you directly to compatibility | 17:11 |
| gema | well, capabilities are api calls | 17:11 |
| gema | that give you some functionality | 17:11 |
| gema | that are exposed to the user | 17:12 |
| gema | so yes, yoou should be able to rely on them | 17:12 |
| gema | and they should be consistent across clouds | 17:12 |
| gema | for people to be able to develop stable apps on top of them | 17:12 |
| jasonsb | so maybe defcore is about socializing that idea | 17:12 |
| gema | defcore is about establishing that idea | 17:13 |
| jasonsb | which is great | 17:13 |
| gema | not sure about socializing although there will be part of it too I am sure | 17:13 |
| gema | however as a project, I don't think openstack is there yet | 17:13 |
| gema | this defcore conversations are just the beginning | 17:14 |
| jasonsb | little bit early days for this | 17:14 |
| gema | so it is a great time for us to start contributing | 17:14 |
| gema | and get emmeshed in t he project | 17:14 |
| gema | I think | 17:14 |
| jasonsb | for example, keystone v3 is heir apparent | 17:14 |
| gema | heir? | 17:14 |
| jasonsb | but horizon does not support domain scoped tokens | 17:14 |
| jasonsb | "a person who is most likely to succeed to the place of another." | 17:15 |
| gema | ahh, ok | 17:15 |
| jasonsb | sorry for oblique reference | 17:15 |
| gema | it's alright xD | 17:15 |
| jasonsb | so can you really write defcore around v3 yet? | 17:15 |
| gema | yeah, but that is what I was trying to understand yesterday, because new apis should carry over the old ones functionality | 17:15 |
| gema | sure you can, if v3 api is there now | 17:16 |
| gema | and the test will mature with the api | 17:16 |
| gema | and hopefully stay there for a long time | 17:16 |
| gema | life long and prosper, as they say | 17:16 |
| jasonsb | i think you said before that tailgate should view defcore tests as someting very central | 17:17 |
| gema | I think it is a good starting point | 17:17 |
| jasonsb | to tailgate interests. i see that | 17:17 |
| jasonsb | the testing concerns overlap alot | 17:17 |
| gema | I think there will be more to us | 17:17 |
| gema | like non-functional testing | 17:18 |
| gema | but for functional I think their umbrella is ideal | 17:18 |
| gema | jasonsb: so you have their meeting pinned in your calendar for next week then? | 17:19 |
| jasonsb | i do not but i will :) | 17:19 |
| gema | you should subscribe to their mailing which is where they send deviations like yesterday's | 17:19 |
| gema | with invites | 17:19 |
| jasonsb | will do | 17:19 |
| gema | their meetings normally happen in meetingroom-4 on irc | 17:19 |
| gema | ok, did anything else happen after I left yesterday that you want to share? | 17:19 |
| jasonsb | nothing notable i think | 17:20 |
| gema | ok | 17:20 |
| gema | I made a note about a neutron test that is missing | 17:20 |
| gema | #idea Add a new test for neutron that attaches a floating ip to a VM (see if it can be done without admin) | 17:20 |
| jasonsb | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15Fkt2n95WPPe7CYH-0WIKz3dhMeW3FW2gl5aSlamEeY/edit#gid=561264013 | 17:21 |
| gema | jasonsb: what is this document? | 17:21 |
| jasonsb | defcore capabilities scoring | 17:21 |
| gema | coolio | 17:22 |
| gema | I am going to add it to the test strategy | 17:22 |
| gema | will work on that side of things when I come back from holidays | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | i think you gave it in irc yesterday? | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | when is holidays for you? | 17:22 |
| gema | no,, I don't think I had seen it | 17:22 |
| gema | starts tomorrow until end of next week :D | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | oh ok | 17:22 |
| gema | I hope I come back fresh and centered | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | me too :) | 17:24 |
| gema | the works at my house were very distracting | 17:24 |
| gema | anyway, anything else on defcore? | 17:25 |
| jasonsb | i hope to be fresh enough to get a blog post done | 17:25 |
| gema | :D | 17:25 |
| jasonsb | like spyderydyne | 17:25 |
| gema | yep, me too | 17:25 |
| gema | #topic AOB | 17:25 |
| jasonsb | can' think of anything on defcore | 17:26 |
| gema | ok | 17:26 |
| malini | what is AOB? | 17:26 |
| gema | any other business | 17:26 |
| malini | :D | 17:26 |
| gema | malini: lol, you ask me every time | 17:26 |
| gema | that's so cute x) | 17:26 |
| malini | short term memory | 17:26 |
| gema | haha, me too :D | 17:26 |
| malini | any ideas for the summit? | 17:26 |
| malini | At the minimum I wud like us to meet early on :D | 17:26 |
| gema | we should start building a list of topics for you guys to work on | 17:27 |
| malini | tht wud be neat | 17:27 |
| jasonsb | gema did you have a topic for preparing the tokyo talk? | 17:27 |
| gema | who wants so start that? | 17:27 |
| gema | jasonsb: not really, I never added it | 17:28 |
| gema | jasonsb: it all starts with the questionaire | 17:28 |
| jasonsb | ah | 17:28 |
| gema | and from that we can work on the talk | 17:28 |
| jasonsb | ok! | 17:28 |
| gema | jasonsb: so you are the bottleneck | 17:28 |
| gema | how about that x D | 17:28 |
| jasonsb | i knew there was a reason i didnt' ask before | 17:29 |
| gema | j/k, we should whenever we get answers from the questionaire have at least a skeleton of the talk in place | 17:29 |
| gema | just in case the talk does finally happen | 17:29 |
| gema | so that we are not rushed in that case | 17:29 |
| jasonsb | true | 17:29 |
| gema | do any of you have time to start thinking about that this week? | 17:29 |
| gema | maybe put an empty slidedeck together with just an index | 17:30 |
| malini | I can help some too | 17:30 |
| gema | malini: do you want to think about the presentation, then? | 17:30 |
| malini | yes | 17:30 |
| malini | I will start a skeleton, so we can start poking around to add info | 17:31 |
| gema | #action malini to start thinking about the presentation and a structure that would make sense in case it happens | 17:31 |
| gema | malini: sounds good | 17:31 |
| gema | malini: make sure jasonsb finishes the questionaire, lol | 17:31 |
| malini | hopefully this will also help us gather our thoughts | 17:31 |
| gema | yep | 17:31 |
| gema | soul searching, like you said | 17:31 |
| malini | tht soul is hard to find :/ | 17:32 |
| gema | I know | 17:32 |
| gema | starting is always the most difficult part | 17:32 |
| gema | I think we set up a too broad of a goal at the beginning | 17:32 |
| gema | which is why we are still trying to find a way to start | 17:32 |
| gema | and maybe why most of the people that started with us dropped from these calls | 17:33 |
| gema | that or maybe they just lost interest | 17:33 |
| gema | but there are still three players here | 17:33 |
| gema | four, actually | 17:33 |
| malini | unless we have something solid, its hard to justify spending time on this -rt? | 17:34 |
| gema | rackspace, cisco, hitachi and canonical | 17:34 |
| gema | malini: and unless we spend time on it and get organised there'll be nothing solid | 17:34 |
| gema | it's a catch 22 | 17:34 |
| gema | but I agree with you | 17:34 |
| gema | it has been difficult for me too | 17:34 |
| malini | once we find tht soul, we'll gain momentum | 17:34 |
| gema | agreed | 17:34 |
| malini | we'll get there :) | 17:35 |
| gema | sure thing | 17:35 |
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| gema | you guys take care of that this week and that'll give me some push when I come back to continue the defcore work | 17:35 |
| malini | ok :) | 17:36 |
| gema | I will need a volunteer to chair next week's meeting | 17:36 |
| malini | enjoy ur time off | 17:36 |
| gema | malini: thanks :D | 17:36 |
| malini | I always screw up the tags | 17:36 |
| gema | malini: who cares | 17:36 |
| jasonsb | yes indeed enjoy your holidays | 17:36 |
| malini | I can in tht case :) | 17:36 |
| gema | :D | 17:36 |
| malini | what is the name of our meeting again? | 17:36 |
| malini | :d | 17:37 |
| gema | haha you need to type: #startmeeting tailgate | 17:37 |
| gema | without the ':' | 17:37 |
| malini | ok :D | 17:37 |
| gema | #action malini to chair next week's meeting | 17:37 |
| gema | do we have anything else to discuss? | 17:37 |
| gema | ok , ending meeting in | 17:39 |
| gema | 3 | 17:39 |
| gema | 2 | 17:39 |
| gema | #endmeeting | 17:39 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 10 17:39:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-09-10-17.00.html | 17:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-09-10-17.00.txt | 17:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-09-10-17.00.log.html | 17:39 |
| gema | malini: I got this etherpad ready for you to have an easier life next week | 17:40 |
| gema | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-tailgaters-agenda | 17:40 |
| gema | you can copy&paste | 17:40 |
| malini | tht is so awesome!!! | 17:41 |
| malini | thanks a lot | 17:41 |
| gema | it is actually linked here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-tailgaters | 17:41 |
| gema | "next meeting agenda" | 17:41 |
| gema | you can change whatever you need and off you go | 17:41 |
| malini | thanks :) | 17:41 |
| gema | np | 17:41 |
| gema | I have been using it, makes my life easier too x) | 17:42 |
| gema | jasonsb, malini: thanks for coming, as usual | 17:42 |
| gema | :D | 17:42 |
| gema | keep being awesome! | 17:42 |
| malini | & do some work :D | 17:42 |
| gema | malini: absolutely | 17:42 |
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