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| hockeynut | is the Thurs meeting still a thing? I am actually free today! | 16:46 |
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| malini1 | 3-4 of us still meet | 16:47 |
| malini1 | I will join a lil late today | 16:47 |
| gema | hockeynut: it indeed is | 16:50 |
| gema | we have a packed agenda today xD | 16:50 |
| gema | 10 mins to go! | 16:50 |
| hockeynut | IRC or google? | 16:50 |
| gema | irc | 16:50 |
| hockeynut | ok, then I'm here! :-) | 16:50 |
| hockeynut | \o/ | 16:51 |
| gema | hockeynut: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54d4bc07e4b07ddcbfd92373/54e36fede4b06e391db992cf/54e371bbe4b06e391db9d22a/1424192555619/?format=1000w | 16:51 |
| gema | hockeynut: coolio :D | 16:51 |
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| gema | #startmeeting tailgate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 24 17:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tailgate' | 17:00 |
| gema | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-09-03-17.00.html | 17:01 |
| gema | #topic rollcall | 17:01 |
| gema | o/ | 17:01 |
| hockeynut | \o/ | 17:01 |
| gema | malini1, jose-idar, jasonsb_ : you guys around? | 17:02 |
| jasonsb_ | present | 17:02 |
| gema | ok, let's get cracking then, I am sure malini will show up in a bit | 17:03 |
| gema | #topic Last week's actions | 17:03 |
| gema | will leave all the tasks related to the tokyo talk for a topic later | 17:03 |
| gema | let's do the rest | 17:04 |
| gema | jasonb to figure out the mechanics of getting endpoints and gurumeditationreport and maybe create a simple script that does this | 17:04 |
| jasonsb_ | can you roll my actions? | 17:04 |
| jasonsb_ | my mac died. didn't make any progress | 17:04 |
| gema | jasonsb_: this one yes, the next one no | 17:04 |
| jasonsb_ | i do have my files back though | 17:04 |
| gema | but that's tokyo so we'll talk later about it :D | 17:04 |
| gema | #ACTION jasonb to figure out the mechanics of getting endpoints and gurumeditationreport and maybe create a simple script that does this | 17:05 |
| gema | #ACTION gema to continue with the strategy doc | 17:05 |
| gema | #ACTION gema to write a blog post about refstack-client running | 17:05 |
| gema | #ACTION gema to send out the defcore details on actionable gaps | 17:05 |
| gema | gema to initiate conversation on the mailing about a new time slot | 17:05 |
| gema | this one I had and I am dropping because I don't think the slot is the problem | 17:06 |
| gema | the problem we have is interest from all the parties | 17:06 |
| gema | imo | 17:06 |
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| gema | so unless you disagree I am dropping this one until we talk in tokyo | 17:06 |
| gema | oh, I am booked for tokyo in the end :D | 17:06 |
| jasonsb_ | no disagreement | 17:06 |
| hockeynut | time is good for me now - my previous conflict meeting is done | 17:06 |
| gema | hockeynut: perfect, more reason to keep it as is | 17:07 |
| gema | alright, moving on to tokyo's talk | 17:07 |
| gema | #topic ODS Talk | 17:07 |
| jasonsb_ | gema do i hear that you are definitely going to tokyo? | 17:07 |
| gema | yep | 17:07 |
| jasonsb_ | oh thats nice | 17:07 |
| gema | \o/ yep! | 17:07 |
| jasonsb_ | happy to hear that | 17:08 |
| gema | me too :D | 17:08 |
| hockeynut | coolness! | 17:08 |
| gema | hockeynut: you are also going? | 17:08 |
| hockeynut | yes. malini and I got the ok | 17:08 |
| gema | perfect | 17:08 |
| gema | so we need to work on the presentation in case we are called to do it last minute | 17:08 |
| jasonsb_ | are you going to be there friday? | 17:08 |
| gema | this morning I received email about confirming my presence in tokyo and wanted to bring this up as a matter of priority | 17:09 |
| gema | jasonsb_: yep | 17:09 |
| gema | Tues to Fri | 17:09 |
| hockeynut | I got it too | 17:09 |
| hockeynut | I arrive Mon leaving Sun | 17:09 |
| gema | so I confirmed , but I'd like to have something ready in case they call us on the phone and we have to do it hurriedly | 17:09 |
| gema | hockeynut: have you talked to malini about her action on starting thinking about the slides? | 17:10 |
| gema | malini to start thinking about the presentation and a structure that would make sense in case it happens | 17:10 |
| hockeynut | no, but we def need to do that | 17:10 |
| gema | ok | 17:10 |
| gema | jasonb to initiate the review of the questionaire on the ML | 17:10 |
| gema | these are the two actions we had | 17:10 |
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| gema | I'd say scrap them | 17:10 |
| gema | the questionaire is a lengthy process | 17:11 |
| gema | why don't we just put together a set of slides, empty if you like | 17:11 |
| gema | and start working on them | 17:11 |
| spyderdyne | hello | 17:11 |
| spyderdyne | sry im late | 17:11 |
| gema | say we have a few that are common to explain how we met and our purpose | 17:11 |
| gema | and then each of the presenters adds their bit | 17:11 |
| gema | explaining their internal way of doing the same thing | 17:11 |
| gema | spyderdyne: hello! | 17:11 |
| spyderdyne | hi | 17:12 |
| spyderdyne | :) | 17:12 |
| gema | Just for completion sake this is what we wrote: | 17:12 |
| gema | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tailgaters-tokyo-summit | 17:12 |
| gema | Title: Testing Beyond the Gate - Validating Production Clouds | 17:12 |
| gema | Abstract: Join QA and operations staff from Rackspace, Canonical, Cisco Systems, Hitachi Data Systems, DreamHost and other companies as they discuss and share their specific OpenStack cloud validation approaches. This talk aims to cover a wide range of toolsets, testing approaches and validation methodologies as they relate to production systems and functional test environments. Attendees can expect to gain a hig | 17:12 |
| gema | so, who are we missing? | 17:12 |
| gema | in this meeting | 17:12 |
| hockeynut | gema any favored tool for the presentation? | 17:13 |
| jasonsb_ | dreamhost | 17:13 |
| gema | hockeynut: I was going to propose google docs but text in an email also works | 17:13 |
| gema | or an etherpad | 17:13 |
| spyderdyne | gdocs is good if you dont mind dealing with all the email addresses | 17:14 |
| hockeynut | gema etherpad might be good for the brainstorming | 17:14 |
| gema | spyderdyne: I can make it public | 17:14 |
| gema | hockeynut: agreed | 17:14 |
| gema | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tailgaters-tokyo-summit-talk | 17:14 |
| hockeynut | you beat me to it! | 17:15 |
| gema | there you go, a few "slide names | 17:15 |
| gema | " | 17:15 |
| gema | let's start filling out | 17:15 |
| gema | #action gema to send email asking all presenters to fill in details | 17:16 |
| gema | what I'd like to do is agree on what information we want (high level) from each presenter | 17:16 |
| gema | do you have opinions? | 17:16 |
| gema | spyderdyne, jasonsb_: you guys there? | 17:18 |
| jasonsb_ | yes | 17:18 |
| gema | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tailgaters-tokyo-summit-talk | 17:18 |
| hockeynut | I like the ones you have listed - this is basically a "state of the union" type of talk showing what different folks use | 17:18 |
| gema | hockeynut: yep | 17:18 |
| hockeynut | that begs the discussion of things like (1) why are there different tools to do the same thing (like tempest vs cloudcafe) | 17:19 |
| gema | hockeynut: yep | 17:19 |
| hockeynut | and (2) what should someone just coming up to speed use | 17:19 |
| hockeynut | and probably more - could be very interesting discussions | 17:19 |
| gema | hockeynut: yep, let's get the now in there and then we can extract these topics for the conclusions | 17:19 |
| hockeynut | cool | 17:20 |
| gema | I'd like to have a draft ready for discussion for next week's meeting | 17:20 |
| hockeynut | yep - the clock is ticking | 17:20 |
| gema | and then we can iterate until the summit | 17:20 |
| hockeynut | does anyone know how the whole "alternate" process works? are we basically "on call" at any time to come into a room and GO? | 17:20 |
| gema | I will send an email to all the speakers plus the tailgaters mailing | 17:20 |
| jasonsb_ | i am curious too | 17:21 |
| gema | hockeynut: yep, if they have people not showing up or cancelling | 17:21 |
| gema | they'll call us | 17:21 |
| gema | it can happen tomorrow or the monday of the summit | 17:21 |
| jasonsb_ | any time i guess | 17:21 |
| gema | or even the thursday | 17:21 |
| gema | we just need to be ready | 17:21 |
| hockeynut | that works - so basically assume we could go on at any time | 17:21 |
| gema | and make sure all the speakers confirm attendance | 17:21 |
| gema | hockeynut: yep | 17:21 |
| gema | that's why they ask for our phone numbers | 17:21 |
| jasonsb_ | i did back on the first email | 17:21 |
| gema | during the summit | 17:21 |
| jasonsb_ | have to do again? | 17:21 |
| gema | jasonsb_: say that again? | 17:22 |
| jasonsb_ | i registered and filled out the form for local tokyo phone # back when we first got the email | 17:22 |
| jasonsb_ | (last month) | 17:22 |
| gema | jasonsb_: they've sent an email asking | 17:22 |
| jasonsb_ | have to repeat process? | 17:22 |
| gema | for confirmation (by email) and a telephone number | 17:22 |
| gema | to be able to reach you during the summit | 17:23 |
| jasonsb_ | ok, i'll do it again | 17:23 |
| gema | have you not received that email? | 17:23 |
| jasonsb_ | i also did this back on 8/26 | 17:23 |
| gema | the email was called: Important Speaker Information For The OpenStack Summit in Tokyo | 17:23 |
| hockeynut | got that email this morning | 17:23 |
| gema | STEP ONE: Register for the summit | 17:24 |
| jasonsb_ | ok np. i fill out again | 17:24 |
| gema | STEP TWO: CONFIRM YOURSELF AS AN ALTERNATE SPEAKER | 17:24 |
| gema | jasonsb_: it's not about filling out | 17:24 |
| hockeynut | step 2 is just email your phone # | 17:24 |
| gema | it's about confirming you are clear to travel and you will be there, and giving them your phone number | 17:24 |
| hockeynut | assuming my att mobile will still work over there | 17:24 |
| gema | Once you have registered, please email speakersupport@openstack.org to let us know you are confirmed. In the email, please include your onsite phone number so we can reach you if need be. | 17:24 |
| jasonsb_ | okedokey | 17:24 |
| gema | hockeynut: yep, I am also assuming mine will work | 17:25 |
| gema | in anycase, one will work and we can all summon each other on IRC | 17:25 |
| gema | or by email | 17:25 |
| hockeynut | we also use GroupMe app - really helpful for summits | 17:25 |
| gema | jasonsb_: did you not receive that email? | 17:25 |
| jasonsb_ | i received | 17:25 |
| gema | jasonsb_: ack | 17:25 |
| hockeynut | https://groupme.com/ | 17:26 |
| gema | what I didn't manage to do is find the list of talkers | 17:26 |
| gema | I don't have a link to our talk on the openstack site anymore | 17:26 |
| gema | do you guys have it? | 17:26 |
| gema | hockeynut: receiving new phone tomorrow, I will install it | 17:26 |
| gema | I guess we'll need to exchange phones for that to work, right? | 17:27 |
| gema | or do you make a user? | 17:27 |
| hockeynut | basically you sign in, someone creates a group then starts inviting people to join it | 17:27 |
| hockeynut | I will create the group now | 17:28 |
| gema | what do you need to know to invite someone? | 17:28 |
| gema | their username or their phone number? | 17:28 |
| hockeynut | checking... | 17:28 |
| jasonsb_ | i have whatsapp if thats easier | 17:29 |
| gema | me too | 17:29 |
| jasonsb_ | otherwise completely agnostic | 17:29 |
| gema | ok, so action for hockeynut | 17:29 |
| gema | #action hockeynut will sort us out a way to communicate during the summit | 17:29 |
| hockeynut | gotcha | 17:30 |
| gema | hockeynut: and also to make sure malini is in sync for the talk | 17:30 |
| hockeynut | already sent her a note on that | 17:31 |
| gema | #action gema to sync up with beisner on the canonical bits | 17:31 |
| gema | jasonsb_: you'll have to work on your part | 17:31 |
| gema | #action jasonb to work on his part of the presentation | 17:31 |
| gema | #action spyderdyne to also work on his part of the presentation | 17:31 |
| gema | and we are missing someone from dreamhost | 17:31 |
| gema | #action gema to send email to the mailing to make sure someone from dreamhost fills their part also | 17:32 |
| jasonsb_ | gema: ack | 17:32 |
| gema | jasonsb_: the task about the questionaire is dropped | 17:32 |
| gema | and the questionaire itself until someone else resurrects it in the future | 17:33 |
| gema | jasonsb_: I don't think processing answers from the questionaire is the way to go to produce a collaborative presentation | 17:33 |
| gema | we can directly stick the stuff on the presentation | 17:33 |
| jasonsb_ | we could solicit from audience | 17:34 |
| gema | jasonsb_: with what purpose? | 17:34 |
| jasonsb_ | or from other summit attendees | 17:34 |
| jasonsb_ | pain point data? | 17:34 |
| gema | I don't like to make people waste time | 17:34 |
| gema | do you like filling questionaires? | 17:34 |
| jasonsb_ | no not really | 17:35 |
| gema | then why do you try to impart that pain on others? | 17:35 |
| gema | jasonsb_: I am all for asking questions and questionaires when the need for the questionaire comes from a goal | 17:36 |
| gema | or a need | 17:36 |
| gema | I fail to see the need in this case | 17:36 |
| jasonsb_ | ok your right | 17:36 |
| gema | but I'd be glad to be corrected | 17:36 |
| gema | ok, we'll revisit if the need arises then | 17:37 |
| gema | hockeynut, jasonsb_: happy with the plan to put the presentation together? shall we move on? | 17:37 |
| hockeynut | yep | 17:38 |
| gema | ok | 17:38 |
| gema | #topic Any Other Business | 17:38 |
| gema | do we have anything else to discuss? | 17:38 |
| gema | I'd like to come up with a list of topics to tackle in tokyo | 17:39 |
| jasonsb_ | reach out to chris? | 17:39 |
| gema | chris who? | 17:39 |
| jasonsb_ | lee | 17:39 |
| gema | he's dreamhost? | 17:39 |
| jasonsb_ | yes | 17:39 |
| gema | yep, we have to | 17:39 |
| jasonsb_ | i dont think hes on at moment | 17:39 |
| gema | jasonsb_: ok, I will talk to him this week | 17:39 |
| gema | make sure he fills in his part | 17:39 |
| jasonsb_ | okedokey | 17:39 |
| gema | #action gema to talk to chris lee and get him onboard with the presentation duties | 17:40 |
| gema | regarding things to discuss/solve in tokyo | 17:40 |
| gema | do you have any ideas that want to share now? | 17:40 |
| gema | should we have this conversation in an email? | 17:40 |
| gema | so everybody contributes? | 17:40 |
| hockeynut | email should work | 17:42 |
| gema | #action gema to start conversation about tokyo topics | 17:42 |
| gema | hockeynut: is jose-idar coming to tokyo? | 17:43 |
| hockeynut | gema not sure | 17:43 |
| gema | ok | 17:43 |
| gema | because I'd like to know how he is getting on with the nova testing | 17:43 |
| gema | that he was putting together | 17:44 |
| gema | if he has had a chance | 17:44 |
| gema | jasonsb_: didn't see you on the defcore meeting | 17:44 |
| gema | they were still discussing the capabilities that are going to be approved by tomorrow | 17:44 |
| jasonsb_ | i missed it yesterday :( | 17:44 |
| gema | heat seems to be in bad shape for this release | 17:44 |
| gema | that's the main take away | 17:44 |
| jasonsb_ | do you have the etherpad link for heat? | 17:45 |
| jasonsb_ | i'll read the irc log to | 17:45 |
| gema | there's no irc log | 17:45 |
| jasonsb_ | oh | 17:45 |
| gema | it was a conversation like the previous week | 17:45 |
| gema | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X_KwiVh8eIcNbUr4qfcFhvmyNTN4nWKOFN-98QEwy7A/edit#gid=688628808 | 17:46 |
| gema | catherineD shared this from IBM | 17:46 |
| gema | she said that there are not many tests to cover the heat capabilities | 17:46 |
| gema | and they said they are going to discuss whether they want to run tests from heat's project (via tempest lib) | 17:47 |
| gema | or if they are going to make heat move their tests to tempest | 17:47 |
| gema | I was advocating for the latter | 17:47 |
| gema | they were not sure | 17:47 |
| gema | my argument is that if the tests are in the heat trunk and owned by the team there is not much you can do in terms of controlling compatibility | 17:48 |
| spyderdyne | that IBM setup is crazy :) | 17:48 |
| gema | they said that's not an issue and they have ways to deal with it | 17:48 |
| gema | and I think there is going to be a follow up conversation | 17:48 |
| gema | spyderdyne: that is just a list of capabilities/tests that they've put together | 17:49 |
| gema | I think | 17:49 |
| gema | anyway, that's all I have | 17:49 |
| gema | anything else that needs discussing? | 17:50 |
| hockeynut | not I | 17:50 |
| gema | jasonsb_: ? | 17:50 |
| gema | spyderdyne: ? | 17:50 |
| spyderdyne | im good | 17:50 |
| spyderdyne | still trying to find a repo i cna publish things to | 17:50 |
| jasonsb_ | nothing for me | 17:50 |
| gema | spyderdyne: what kind of things? | 17:51 |
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| spyderdyne | i should have some good stuff for next week's meetings | 17:51 |
| gema | spyderdyne: sounds good | 17:51 |
| spyderdyne | Medusa | 17:51 |
| gema | spyderdyne: we'll come up with a repo then | 17:51 |
| spyderdyne | :) | 17:51 |
| gema | spyderdyne: or since you are the first contributor, you will :D | 17:51 |
| gema | spyderdyne: sounds mysterious :D | 17:52 |
| jasonsb_ | sounds intriguing | 17:52 |
| gema | alright thanks for showing up everyone! | 17:52 |
| hockeynut | happy Thursday! | 17:52 |
| spyderdyne | i dont know how or where to get a repo without paying out of pocket to github | 17:52 |
| gema | spyderdyne: I don't pay for github | 17:52 |
| jasonsb_ | we should get a stackforge probalby | 17:52 |
| gema | spyderdyne: you can upload things? | 17:52 |
| gema | anyway, let's discuss this next week, I will try to find out what the requirements are to have a branch under the openstack umbrella | 17:53 |
| gema | #endmeeting | 17:53 |
| spyderdyne | i have things to upload somewhere, just no space to put htem | 17:53 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 24 17:53:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-09-24-17.00.html | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-09-24-17.00.txt | 17:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-09-24-17.00.log.html | 17:53 |
| gema | spyderdyne: ok | 17:53 |
| gema | spyderdyne: is this branches of code | 17:53 |
| gema | or are you talking big files | 17:53 |
| gema | like VMs? | 17:53 |
| gema | EOD for me, night folks | 17:54 |
| spyderdyne | code | 17:54 |
| hockeynut | Tokyo attendees - please grab groupme.com app and send me an email with your email or phone # and I can add you to the group I just created. steve.heyman@rackspace.com | 17:55 |
| jasonsb_ | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html | 17:56 |
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| beisner | hey all, sorry i couldn't make it today. fyi - i travel & event tix, etc., and have responded to all the alt-speaker confirm things. do we know who all will be present for sure? | 18:17 |
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