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| cdent | for a long time I've been wanting to remove the word meritocracy from the "opens" document, but I can't think of a suitable alternative | 12:48 |
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| cdent | it's not actually a good thing | 12:48 |
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| dtroyer | strictly speaking, we don't get to leadership through testing, so it is inaccurate in that way. plus is is often seen as a negative raher than neutral or positive description. do you have a specific objection? | 14:35 |
| cdent | dtroyer: my objection is pretty much the standard SJW objection: meritocracy is defined by those who are already in position of leadership and thus implicitly excludes those who may be leading or attempting to lead in styles that are different from existing leaders or who come from backgrounds different from the norm | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: I hadn't thought of it that way, I guess it requires the current folks to consider the different thing good/better in some way? | 14:54 |
| * cdent nods | 14:55 | |
| cdent | dtroyer, johnthetubaguy is it now that we're planning to discuss the vision thing? | 15:03 |
| dtroyer | works for me | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tc-vision-2019-feedback | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think thats where we had the notes | 15:06 |
| cdent | hangout? https://hangouts.google.com/call/yebgxjjbe5hnpe4d3xai424ioyy | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure, lets try that | 15:07 |
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| dtroyer | cdent, johnthetubaguy: I added some bits at the end from the Zingtrain notebook that I thought might be useful background, plus the Zingerman's vision preamble as an example. | 16:20 |
| cdent | ossum | 16:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | dtroyer: cool, thanks | 16:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a little more on how it was created, which could be interesting | 16:22 |
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| fungi | cdent: dtroyer: in some circles (e.g. debian) the perhaps less elegant term "do-ocracy" is used to denote leadership recognized in those doing what needs to get done | 23:15 |
| fungi | looks like the "occupy" movement also co-opted that term | 23:19 |
| fungi | this provides some compelling counterarguments for meritocracy over do-ocracy though: http://asymptomatic.net/2009/03/21/2795/meritocracy-versus-do-ocracy | 23:38 |
| notmyname | fungi: see also, bragging about lines of code, number of gerrit reviews, patches submitted, bugs filed, etc :-) | 23:46 |
| fungi | yep! | 23:50 |
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