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| openstackgerrit | Zhenguo Niu proposed openstack/governance master: Mogan - Bare Metal Compute Service https://review.openstack.org/508400 | 01:37 |
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| ttx | Hi everyone, I was off yesterday, but I'll catch up with the newly elected folks during the office hours this week | 07:08 |
| ttx | For the time being, if you could all make sure you are subscribed to openstack-tc list so that I can clear everyone's moderation bits | 07:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Update TC membership based on Queens election results https://review.openstack.org/513883 | 07:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Select Thierry Carrez as chair https://review.openstack.org/514553 | 07:55 |
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| * cmurphy pokes her head in and looks around | 08:59 | |
| ttx | hola | 09:00 |
| ttx | tc-members assemble | 09:00 |
| * ttx fixes up Gerrit rights for new members | 09:00 | |
| ttx | cmurphy: o/ | 09:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 09:01 |
| ttx | Alright, Gerrit rights up, you should be able to Rollcall+!/-1 now | 09:02 |
| * ttx looks up openstack-tc list moderation bits now | 09:02 | |
| cmurphy | ooh shiny buttons | 09:03 |
| ttx | TheJulia: are you subscribed to openstack-tc yet ? If yes let me know which email address you are using so that I can clear your moderation bit | 09:05 |
| ttx | cmurphy and pabelanger all clear now | 09:05 |
| * johnthetubaguy waves hello | 09:06 | |
| ttx | let's pile up a few +1s on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513883/ so that I get it merged quick | 09:07 |
| ttx | I'll try to get the other election officials to +1 it as well | 09:07 |
| ttx | persia: ^ | 09:08 |
| ttx | diablo_rojo: ^ | 09:08 |
| ttx | cmurphy, pabelanger, TheJulia: I'm a bit behind today, but will post an intro to openstack-tc around all the things you need to know | 09:09 |
| ttx | including Sydney reminders | 09:09 |
| cmurphy | o7 | 09:10 |
| ttx | lbragstad: could you +1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511762/ ? | 09:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: I wasn't sure if that ironic-inspector bit should really be under ironic (project vs deliverable) | 09:15 |
| ttx | I don't care that much tbh, as long as lbragstad is fine with it | 09:15 |
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| ttx | cmurphy, johnthetubaguy if one of you can approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513860/2 I'll merge it as a technical change | 09:16 |
| ttx | that will let other people propose Rocky goals | 09:16 |
| ttx | oops wait | 09:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Adds Rocky Release Goal Directory https://review.openstack.org/513860 | 09:17 |
| ttx | OK it's ready to review now | 09:17 |
| * ttx updates https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Technical_Committee_Tracker | 09:20 | |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Update policy goal for horizon team https://review.openstack.org/500985 | 09:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Update policy goal for dragonflow team https://review.openstack.org/501034 | 09:24 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy, cmurphy: if one of you can review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508694/ I can get it in | 09:24 |
| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Technical_Committee_Tracker updated | 09:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Colleen Murphy proposed openstack/governance master: Update house rules to reflect absence of meetings https://review.openstack.org/514582 | 09:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Adds Rocky Release Goal Directory https://review.openstack.org/513860 | 09:45 |
| * ttx still busy writing the welcome email | 09:52 | |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Update PTI around documentation jobs https://review.openstack.org/508694 | 10:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add mention of releasenotes to the PTI https://review.openstack.org/509868 | 10:07 |
| ttx | Welcome email for the new membership: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2017-October/001477.html | 10:15 |
| ttx | hope it answers all your questions | 10:15 |
| ttx | Let me know if you have others | 10:15 |
| cmurphy | thanks ttx | 10:16 |
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| pabelanger | great, thanks ttx | 12:44 |
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| lbragstad | ttx: johnthetubaguy yep - that looks good (re: ironic change) | 13:21 |
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| TheJulia | ttx: thanks! | 13:42 |
| TheJulia | ttx: joined the mailing list this morning, juliaashleykreger@gmail.com | 13:43 |
| ttx | alright let me clear your mod bit now | 13:44 |
| ttx | TheJulia: all set! | 13:44 |
| TheJulia | Awesome | 13:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Update TC membership based on Queens election results https://review.openstack.org/513883 | 15:26 |
| cdent | cmurphy: are interested in/planning to pursue some of these retention issues you’ve mentioned on os-dev? I ask because I think they bear a strong relationship with the “developer happiness” stuff I’ve been (vaguely) pursuing. | 15:31 |
| cdent | s/are/are you/ | 15:33 |
| pabelanger | So, while reading some of the links posted in channel yesterday, I managed to stumble across: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kubecon-brainstorm-2017 Looking at notes dims, ttx, smcginnis attended. I'm curious what the follow up is, if any? This seems to relate to the Adjacent Technologies section on etherpad for boardnotes and might be something I'd like to contribute more too. | 15:51 |
| cmurphy | cdent: I am certainly interested, though not sure how to get started | 15:57 |
| cdent | cmurphy: aye, indeed, there’s the rub. let’s chat about it as the opportunity presents itself. the available levers are unclear. | 15:58 |
| cmurphy | cdent: sounds good | 15:58 |
| cdent | ✔ | 16:00 |
| dims | pabelanger : will you be attending Kubecon/Austin? trying to get some folks together to talk (added you to a thread) | 16:08 |
| pabelanger | dims: I was consider asking management for travel funding for it, but trying to gather information about it first. | 16:10 |
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| pabelanger | dims: but adjacent techs / projects related to OpenStack is something I am interested in helping with | 16:11 |
| dims | pabelanger : if you want me to name one thing that we are blocked on ... it's getting a CI running with both OpenStack and Kubernetes together to test the OpenStack cloud provider. Chris Hoge is making progress on it https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/issues/52249 | 16:14 |
| dims | pabelanger : i'll be happy to share what i am personally trying to do there if you have some time | 16:14 |
| pabelanger | dims: sure, that is something I too am directly interested in (CI). And happy to learn more from you and hogepodge | 16:19 |
| dims | pabelanger : perfect! let's shoot for later this week. | 16:21 |
| pabelanger | dims: Great! I'll keep an eye out for your email | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | pabelanger: Would be great if you could join us at kubecon. | 16:24 |
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| cdent | when/how/why was the sydney hackathon cancelled? | 16:47 |
| pabelanger | cdent: fungi mentioned yesterday that a vendor cancelled at the last minute, I haven't heard anything else | 17:25 |
| cdent | aw, bummer | 17:26 |
| fungi | though the last message i got about it before cancellation, along with the registration form, was a bit confusing as it looked like it wasn't really openstack-focused at all | 17:27 |
| fungi | they suggested you pick which paas platform you were going to be using (mentioned openshift and a couple others i'd never heard of) | 17:28 |
| cdent | I often feel like i’m not subscribed to all the mail I should be. | 17:31 |
| cdent | And then I look, and I seem to be. | 17:31 |
| cdent | I may delete too quickly | 17:31 |
| mugsie | cdent: I just filter / file | 17:32 |
| mugsie | I know I will end up searching for this stuff in a years time | 17:32 |
| cdent | mugsie: oh I do a huge amount of filtering | 17:32 |
| cdent | but once upon a time decide that I was not going to perform the job of archiving mailing lists | 17:33 |
| mugsie | I find it easier to search a local inbox than the web archive unfortuntely | 17:34 |
| cdent | yeah, that’s often true. | 17:35 |
| fungi | found it, was the instructions to hackathon mentor volunteers | 17:37 |
| fungi | "We recommend you familiarise yourself with the three platforms available for the Hackathon. [...] agave, cloudify, openshift" | 17:38 |
| dhellmann | cdent : I have my mailing list folders on fastmail set up to delete messages after some moderate retention period (several months or a year, depending) | 17:46 |
| cdent | that’s a good idea too, but I mange my time, in large part, based on the messages are in various inboxes, including the mailing lists. If it’s not something I intend to work on, I delete | 17:47 |
| cdent | it’s sort of a way of dealing with noise | 17:47 |
| cdent | it turns out, based on fungi’s memory poke, that I’ve read that “three platforms message” | 17:48 |
| fungi | cdent: maybe it wasn't actually supposed to be an openstack-oriented hackathon, and just a "cloud paas hackathon" sponsored by openstack or something | 17:55 |
| cdent | fungi: maybe outreach to app devs, who want to not care about infra, but can be shown by virtue of “it’s on openstack under there”, that openstack has some relevance to them | 17:58 |
| fungi | perhaps | 17:59 |
| fungi | i thought cloud application developers used openstack apis to elastically manage pools of resources, while web application developers used paas | 18:00 |
| fungi | but i should probably refrain from attempting to ascribe any particular focus to arbitrary groups of devs | 18:01 |
| fungi | and maybe the goal at this (early?) stage is to attempt to attract web application developers and later mold them into cloud application developers? | 18:02 |
| cdent | perhaps | 18:04 |
| pabelanger | yah, I didn't look too much into it myself. But it seemed like a good idea. | 18:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Telles Mota Vidal Nóbrega proposed openstack/governance master: Marking Sahara policy in code goal as done https://review.openstack.org/514422 | 19:33 |
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| fungi | well, i discovered after volunteering to work it that 1. i know nothing about paas, and 2. they wanted all mentors to attend teh awards ceremony which conflicted with the board/tc meeting | 20:08 |
| fungi | so i guess i got off easy | 20:08 |
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| diablo_rojo | I would love some more submissions for the Community Contributor Awards, if you know of anyone in the community that could use a little extra recognition submit them here https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/cca_nominations_syd | 20:44 |
| flwang | diablo_rojo: thanks for highlight it, I almost has forgot we have this award | 20:51 |
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| diablo_rojo | flwang, no problem :) | 21:10 |
| harlowja | lol, thanks cdent :) | 21:30 |
| harlowja | `I wonder what next week will bring?` | 21:30 |
| harlowja | one never knows! | 21:30 |
| * harlowja not even me, lol | 21:31 | |
| harlowja | (it's how i roll) | 21:31 |
| zaneb | fungi: it turns out that the only thing you can really do with most OpenStack clouds is either (a) treat it like a VPS - i.e. just a way to get a VM or (b) run a PaaS on it that doesn't need any particular integration with the underlying infrastructure, because it's designed to run anywhere | 21:37 |
| fungi | zaneb: interesting. i wonder which of those categories you'd slot nodepool into | 21:38 |
| zaneb | also, to be fair there's basically zero overlap between apps that need elastically managed pools of resources and apps that you're going to build over a weekend and throw away - there's no points for scalability or reliability | 21:38 |
| fungi | but yeah, point taken on elastic applications not being trivial use cases | 21:39 |
| zaneb | we should do a hackathon where all of the contestants build 'hello world', but at the end we throw a chaos monkey at it and test their uptime :D | 21:39 |
| fungi | more trying to figure out what the point was for openstack hosting a hackathon judging your use of not-openstack software | 21:39 |
| fungi | i mean, i get that showcasing using clouds and free software is a valuable use of our resources, and helps support projects who are adjacent/consumers of what we produce, fosters good will, et cetera | 21:40 |
| fungi | so if that's the reason, kudos from me | 21:40 |
| fungi | just also not something i'm personally going to be very useful as a mentor on | 21:41 |
| fungi | since i have almost no depth of knowledge on that space | 21:42 |
| zaneb | nodepool I assume manages by either implementing a bunch of stuff that clouds are supposed to do for you (because it has the economy of scale to do so) or getting away without it because the stuff it manages is so short-lived and (individually) non-critical | 21:42 |
| harlowja | i can build a hello world app backed by zookeeper/etcd that will survive some variation of chaos monkey :-P | 21:42 |
| harlowja | it will be the most tremendous hello world, ha | 21:43 |
| fungi | zaneb: well, nodepool is at its core a framework for preparing compute resources in large batches across an arbitrary number of providers based on a set of parameters, so could be seen as something clouds should provide but fail to | 21:43 |
| zaneb | fungi: yeah, I agree. I also find it strange when you go to a Summit talk and somebody talks for 40 minutes without mentioning OpenStack, and then at the end you ask why they're here and they say "oh, because we run cloud foundry on OpenStack" | 21:44 |
| fungi | heh, yep | 21:44 |
| zaneb | and by 'strange' I mean 'infuriating' | 21:44 |
| fungi | zaneb: all the better when it's a keynote | 21:44 |
| fungi | from a prominent member company of the foundation | 21:45 |
| fungi | bonus points if given by a board member | 21:45 |
| zaneb | lol | 21:45 |
| SamYaple | are you guys telling me you didnt like the kubernetes summit in boston? | 21:47 |
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| fungi | i could hardly contain myself | 21:50 |
| zaneb | harlowja: I hereby challenge you to build the chaos-monkey-proof OpenStack-native Hello World application and release it as a tutorial for OpenStack users :) | 21:54 |
| harlowja | lol | 21:54 |
| zaneb | seriously, that would be a *fantastic* resource | 21:55 |
| harlowja | neither zookeeper or etcd would be 'OpenStack-native' | 22:20 |
| harlowja | if that's fine, that's good, ha | 22:20 |
| SamYaple | harlowja: gotta use heat auto scaling | 22:26 |
| harlowja | why | 22:26 |
| harlowja | https://gist.github.com/harlowja/7abc0d60296fd881bb4817bb0a72289b | 22:27 |
| harlowja | there u go, ha | 22:27 |
| harlowja | add some ansible around that (to setup zookeeper, and then deploy that ^ ) | 22:29 |
| harlowja | but then, guess what, not really to much involving openstack (besides for vms) | 22:29 |
| SamYaple | the challenge was openstack native! | 22:29 |
| harlowja | see, why | 22:29 |
| SamYaple | idk. i didnt make the challenge :) | 22:29 |
| harlowja | :-P | 22:29 |
| harlowja | does openstack have a etcd|zookeeeper 'native' equivalent to implement said election thing (i assumed a requirement was to have only one process saying 'hello world') | 22:30 |
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| SamYaple | harlowja: active-active HA is a thing. i dont see what one process would be a requirement | 22:38 |
| harlowja | weirdest hello world app ever | 22:38 |
| harlowja | ha | 22:38 |
| SamYaple | heat: spin up database ha cluster, spin up standalone application nodes that talk to database to retrive string ("hello world") and print it so thy aer in sync. neutron lbaasv2 in front of all that. chaos monkey can kill any one component underneath without issue | 22:40 |
| SamYaple | heat autoscaling can help with the other scaling bits | 22:40 |
| SamYaple | all native openstack | 22:40 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:41 |
| harlowja | requires a database :( | 22:41 |
| harlowja | why | 22:41 |
| SamYaple | idk i was just making it complicated | 22:41 |
| harlowja | hahaha | 22:41 |
| harlowja | kk | 22:41 |
| harlowja | :) | 22:41 |
| harlowja | u have won the challenge! | 22:41 |
| harlowja | :) | 22:41 |
| SamYaple | no no, the challenge was go *write* that. i leave it in your hands lol | 22:42 |
| SamYaple | ive got stuff im doing | 22:42 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:42 |
| harlowja | ha | 22:42 |
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