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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Update policy goal for manila https://review.openstack.org/523906 | 10:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add assert:supports-accessible-upgrade to designate https://review.openstack.org/528315 | 10:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Retire Packaging Deb project repos https://review.openstack.org/524732 | 10:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Update policy goal for aodh https://review.openstack.org/523979 | 10:22 |
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| ttx | Tracker updated | 10:25 |
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| cmurphy | that was a nice year-end note :) | 10:37 |
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| smcginnis | Very nice. :) | 11:40 |
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| cdent | It's strange and unfortunate how distant we sometimes are from how much the stuff we build is used. Is very nice to get a reminder. | 11:58 |
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| persia | Especially after a year of gloom about "reduced interest", despite apparent increases in consumption :) | 12:01 |
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| frickler | so I'd like to gather some feedback regarding review spam, see recent #openstack-infra backlog for context. IMO a policy that mandates associating a working email address and allowing to suspend accounts that fail to comply with that would be a good response, but I'm sure I'm missing some valid counterarguments here | 12:03 |
| smcginnis | frickler: Do you know if anyone has tried to email that person? | 12:04 |
| frickler | smcginnis: yes, AJaeger did and received a "550: account suspended" | 12:05 |
| smcginnis | frickler: Hah! I think we should follow suite with what their email provider decided. ;) | 12:05 |
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| frickler | smcginnis: right, but I'd like for me (as a fresh infra member) to action based on some formal policy for that | 12:06 |
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| smcginnis | frickler: Yes. We probably should discuss it. And probably should write down some policy for "unacceptable behavior". | 12:07 |
| cdent | people make the effort to spam gerrit? sigh | 12:10 |
| smcginnis | You're stackalytics numbers are pretty much guaranteed to look good when you only +1 after the patch has been approved. | 12:11 |
| smcginnis | *Your | 12:11 |
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| cmurphy | that disagreements metric never made sense to me | 12:17 |
| cmurphy | sure let's everybody have the same opinion on everything | 12:17 |
| smcginnis | I agree, very minimal value. | 12:18 |
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| smcginnis | I only see it being useful for the opposite of the current situation - where someone is just blindly going through and +1'ing things to get their review stats to look like they do a lot. | 12:18 |
| frickler | cmurphy: the question is how to read the metric. for me, having 100% agreement is bad, but maybe some bots think differently | 12:19 |
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| cmurphy | haha, they're not just +1ing approved patches, they're also -1ing patches that are in merge conflict or failing ci >.< | 12:34 |
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| smcginnis | Maybe we need to create an official StackalyticsBot that folks can run that has logic for several ways to game the metrics. Then at least it will be consistent. | 12:38 |
| smcginnis | And just think of how much better our developer involvement numbers will look. | 12:39 |
| smcginnis | "The Second Coming of OpenStack" | 12:39 |
| smcginnis | OK, maybe I need to take a coffee break. Too early on a Friday morning for me to be serious. :) | 12:40 |
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| fungi | frickler: with both infra team and tc member hats on, i think the community can leave cases like this up to the judgment of the infra team. i'd rather not fall into the trap of feeling we need to legislate every possible sort of abuse. the infra team already has the ability to suspend accounts which are creating a nuisance, and i think it's fine to let them continue deciding as a group what's | 14:14 |
| fungi | appropriate there | 14:14 |
| fungi | with just my infra hat on, i've generally suspended accounts if someone complains about them and i'm unable to get any response from the account holder in a timely fashion. they can always reach out to us later and help figure out what needs to happen to restore the account when they're ready | 14:16 |
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| fungi | also we've fairly often suspended accounts if we think they're using a bot/script or similar automation to apply code review votes. those are meant for humans providing input, and we have a separate voting category ("verified") meant for ci systems or other automation. access for the latter to provide votes is under the direct control of teams responsible for the software on which those votes are being | 14:21 |
| fungi | cast (unlike "code review" votes) | 14:21 |
| fungi | futher, this is one of the sorts of cases the "first contact sig" was ostensibly formed to handle (helping guide new contributors toward productive activity rather than perceived "stats padding" or other similarly worthless activities) so may make sense to bring this one to their attention | 14:23 |
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| smcginnis | Interesting: https://www.cncf.io/blog/2017/12/06/cloud-native-technologies-scaling-production-applications/ | 17:09 |
| smcginnis | "Note, OpenStack was not explicitly included as an option in this question; however, no respondents noted its usage in the “other” category. However, many respondents continue to deploy containers on top of the OpenStack platform, in conjunction with orchestrators like Kubernetes(up to 22% in December 2017 from 2% in November 2016)." | 17:09 |
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| ttx | "Interesting" | 17:24 |
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| ttx | Also the on-premise vs. OpenStack distinction is interesting in next graph | 17:25 |
| ttx | oh well, time to enjoy the holidays | 17:25 |
| ttx | Have a great time off OpenStack ! | 17:26 |
| smcginnis | Maybe better OpenStack vs baremetal? I wonder how many of that on-prem actually includes OpenStack. | 17:27 |
| smcginnis | Also "interesting" to see the uptick with OpenStack. | 17:28 |
| dims | smcginnis : ttx : not sure if you saw this from RedHat folks - https://twitter.com/mjasay/status/943570517633638400 | 17:35 |
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| persia | At one of the companies I spend time with, there was rebranding in Horizon, and most folk requesting resources are unaware of the underlying technology used for the on-premise private cloud. | 17:35 |
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| fungi | yeah, it seems like a very apples-to-oranges sort of comparison going on in that graph | 19:40 |
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