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| mnaser | o/ | 12:24 |
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| mnaser | (quiet day since yesterday) | 12:24 |
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| smcginnis | We seem to be getting a pattern where Thursday is the big day everyone wants to talk. | 12:25 |
| cdent | it's the main overlap time | 12:26 |
| cmurphy | I'm sure if we had another americas/emea overlap hour we would fill that up too | 12:26 |
| smcginnis | I'd still like to see more outside of the office hour. | 12:26 |
| smcginnis | And I'm still not feeling quite right about the meetbot usage. | 12:26 |
| jroll | I'm not a fan of the meetbot usage either - things are still logged without, but I think it pushes conversation to be within the meetbot boundaries | 12:28 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, since the channel is logged anyway, I'd rather have things just point to the right time in the channel logs to help people get to the office hour logs I think. | 12:29 |
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| jroll | maybe the weekly TC update can link to the points in logs where office hours start, if people want to read those specifically | 12:32 |
| jroll | though I also hope to see the conversation spread throughout the week | 12:32 |
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| smcginnis | I guess that's my biggest concern. I don't like having the timeboxed conversations. Or at least the perception that they need to be timeboxed. | 12:33 |
| jroll | yep | 12:34 |
| jroll | I'm surprised to not see more comments on yesterday's conversation since it ended | 12:35 |
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| cdent | I think the timeboxing is bad too, however, it does seem to drive people to be prepared to talk. So it is a bit of a tradeoff. | 12:40 |
| * cdent goes to lunch | 12:40 | |
| dims | o/ | 12:44 |
| smcginnis | Morning dims | 12:45 |
| dims | good morning smcginnis | 12:46 |
| dims | looks like the Castellan review is racking up +1's | 12:46 |
| dhellmann | is the lack of discussion in channel outside of pre-arranged times a result of our emphasis on using email for asynchronous communication? | 12:46 |
| dims | the principles one too! | 12:47 |
| dhellmann | tc-members: TheJulia's principles entry for peer review has enough votes to pass. I'll leave it open a little longer to give folks a chance to pile on if you want. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/570940/ | 12:48 |
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| dims | zaneb : with your new project requirements review, taking a concrete example, what are we telling say airship folks? | 12:50 |
| dims | s/telling/signalling/ | 12:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Support Python 3.5 in Kolla https://review.openstack.org/557863 | 12:59 |
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| mugsie | dims: isn't airship a non TC project? | 13:39 |
| dims | mugsie : right now yes, their stated intention is to apply for tc at some point. | 13:40 |
| dims | so "new project requirements review" will be in effect | 13:40 |
| mugsie | I think it tells them that the project is unlikely to succeed in the long term, if AT&T pull developers away from the project | 13:41 |
| mugsie | which I think may be the truth | 13:42 |
| dims | so "here be dragons"! | 13:42 |
| mugsie | yeah | 13:42 |
| mugsie | if they are planning on coming into the openstack project, why are they branding everything differently? | 13:42 |
| mugsie | they would alrady get knocked for not using the openstack-dev etc ML | 13:43 |
| dims | mugsie : wanna ask them? :) | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | I thought airship was going to be part of the edge thing, not openstack? | 13:43 |
| mugsie | I will, I was operating under the assumption they were going into edge | 13:44 |
| mugsie | ^ is the first I heard of them coming into TC governance | 13:44 |
| dims | dhellmann : mugsie : that's what some of them told me in vancouver. the edge assumption probably came from board/tc meeting. so i asked after that | 13:45 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 13:45 |
| dhellmann | there is currently a proposal to turn all of the airship stuff into a mono-repo, and we wouldn't want them to do that if they were going to have to follow the testing interfaces defined in governance, so it would be good to have their ultimate goal cleared up | 13:46 |
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| mugsie | Yeah, combined with the new domain name, the git location and new mailing lists it just looked like a new top level project | 13:49 |
| dims | mugsie : yep, me as well | 13:57 |
| dtroyer | I have also heard conflicting things about airshipit's intended home, first it was Edge then that changed to become TC-governed. The branding certainly does point toward an Edge project though... | 14:06 |
| dtroyer | Given how many times minds have been changed between airship and starlingx and akraino, I wouldn't bet on anything now | 14:07 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: mono-repo? really? I just spend 4 months (partially) de-constructing a mono-repo :) | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/569245/ | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer : ^^ | 14:10 |
| ttx | dims: where did they state that intention ? That surprises me a lot. | 14:28 |
| ttx | Since it's really not fitting the OpenStack product at all. Sure, it can deploy OpenStack, but will be able to deploy other things in the future. | 14:33 |
| fungi | yeah, this is also the first i'm hearing about any interest in being under openstack tc jurisdiction | 14:37 |
| fungi | i mean, we shouldn't let that stop us from handing out friendly advice about why the openstack project avoids the monorepo model | 14:39 |
| zaneb | dims: I too was under the impression that they were aiming for the edge thing | 14:39 |
| fungi | but i'm operating under no illusions that they want openstack telling them what to do or not do | 14:40 |
| zaneb | dims: that said, the message if they were applying to OpenStack, or if the Edge area adopted the same rule, would be that if you can't get anybody else interested in the project then we aren't interested either | 14:40 |
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| dims | ttx : a bunch of them were there when i asked the question ... mattmceuen, alanmeadows, portdirect and others. just before you and doug came over to meet them if you remember that | 14:43 |
| zaneb | btw in case anybody missed it, I wrote up a blog post about the new focus areas yesterday: https://www.zerobanana.com/archive/2018/06/14#osf-expansion | 14:46 |
| ttx | zaneb: good read, thank you | 14:46 |
| ttx | dims: how is the K8s monorepo discussion going those days ? | 14:46 |
| zaneb | ttx: that was fast reading ;) | 14:46 |
| ttx | zaneb: read it earlier | 14:46 |
| zaneb | :) | 14:46 |
| dims | ttx : the efforts to split has stalled a bit ... | 14:47 |
| dims | ttx : there is some work that needs to be done in CRD(s) so core components (like storage) can be turned into CRDs. that's the current thinking | 14:48 |
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| ttx | dims: I would say from my interactions with Airship people since Vancouver, I'm pretty sure it's not their intention to file to become an OpenStack component. It would really not fit in my mental map of OpenStack too. | 14:58 |
| dims | interesting, looks like i got the wrong impression | 14:59 |
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| dims | ttx : emailed the folks and cc'ed you and doug. | 15:45 |
| mnaser | fungi: personally i just want an openstack.org email at some point | 15:46 |
| mnaser | :P | 15:46 |
| fungi | mnaser: at this point they're just used for foundation staff apparently | 15:47 |
| mnaser | yet another weird openstack.org type of oddity | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | mnaser: Nothing for you right now: | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | https://www.openstack.org/community/jobs/ | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:47 |
| * mnaser probably won't ever get @kernel.org | 15:47 | |
| * mnaser openstack would be more achievable but our structure differs i guess | 15:48 | |
| smcginnis | Anyone register openstack.io yet? | 15:48 |
| fungi | whois will tell you ;) | 15:48 |
| mnaser | looks like not-the-foundation owns it | 15:49 |
| fungi | agreed | 15:49 |
| clarkb | the problm with an @openstack.org address is its like 80% spam | 15:50 |
| clarkb | also lots of people assume I am alan clark | 15:50 |
| clarkb | and so I get that spam too | 15:50 |
| mnaser | hahaha | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | LOL | 15:51 |
| * mugsie just wants that sweet sweet openstack/ IRC cloak :D | 15:52 | |
| mnaser | mugsie: oh you're right | 15:53 |
| mnaser | we keep talking about that from time to time :( | 15:53 |
| ttx | EVRYONE GETS A CLOAK | 15:53 |
| fungi | yeah, i have a @openstack.org address and i don't use it | 15:53 |
| mugsie | mnaser: yeah, not sure if freenode ever actually finished the tooling for groups or not though | 15:53 |
| mnaser | i think mordred just wants to keep it for himself only :P | 15:53 |
| fungi | mainly because it relies on terrible mailservers | 15:53 |
| * mnaser hides in shame in using google suite | 15:54 | |
| mnaser | i also have no interest in operating a mail server, i've enjoyed the hell of doing that for a while | 15:54 |
| mugsie | my hayes.ie is gsuite, but that is too satisfy non tech family members - I have ham.ie on fastmail | 15:55 |
| mnaser | it just works™ | 15:55 |
| * mugsie also has no intention of running a mailserver | 15:55 | |
| fungi | i've spent most of my conscious life running mailservers, and am not about to stop now | 15:57 |
| * smcginnis ran qmail until Comcast cut him off | 16:01 | |
| fungi | i run my mailservers "in the cloud" these days | 16:01 |
| cdent | same | 16:01 |
| * dtroyer is a qmail refugee | 16:01 | |
| fungi | but yeah, i ran my primary mta from my home broadband connection for years | 16:01 |
| fungi | i ran mailservers over dialup for years before that | 16:01 |
| clarkb | I had to fastmail refugee off of gmail because openstack email volume was too high for gmail and it was dropping things on the floor | 16:01 |
| fungi | and uucp forwarding | 16:01 |
| cdent | it keeps getting harder and harder to run a healthy mail server | 16:01 |
| clarkb | really like fastmail fwiw | 16:01 |
| fungi | i find exim with receipt-time spamassassin filtering (to do scoring, greylisting, discarding, teergrubing) quite effective | 16:03 |
| fungi | and not at all hard to maintain | 16:03 |
| cdent | fungi: it's no so much regular maintenance, but that every few years big mail services like gmail will find yet another thing that I'm not doing that means everything I send will get filtered to spam | 16:04 |
| cdent | so I have to do the little dance to find out first that that's happening, and then what the fix is, (usually adding yet another text record in dns) | 16:05 |
| cdent | in the short term its not onerous, but I've been running mail out of some of these domains for nearly 25 years | 16:07 |
| * cdent sits on his rocking chair | 16:08 | |
| fungi | cdent: i will admit there have been occasions in the past when i decided that communicating with people who use gmail was simply not worth my time ;) | 16:11 |
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| mordred | mnaser: what did I do? | 16:43 |
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| dims | ttx : dhellmann : looks like Matt McEuen posted on 569245 a half hour or so before my email. so looks like the forward path is clear | 16:45 |
| dims | and we don't have to worry about it | 16:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/governance master: Include TC E-mail addresses in roster https://review.openstack.org/575797 | 17:16 |
| fungi | i figured that's ^ only fair if we do the same with ptls ;) | 17:16 |
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| dims | ++ fungi | 17:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/governance master: Include TC E-mail addresses in roster https://review.openstack.org/575797 | 17:45 |
| fungi | missed a couple lines in the extension, but should build now (i hope) | 17:45 |
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| dhellmann | we should convert that file to yaml | 18:32 |
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| mnaser | mordred: we're all jealous of your fancy openstack cloak | 18:57 |
| mordred | mnaser: I got it from dendrobates back when we were all still at rackspace :) | 19:02 |
| mordred | mnaser: I did relinquish my @openstack.org email address though | 19:03 |
| pabelanger | I miss my asterisk.org cloak :D | 19:23 |
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| mordred | pabelanger: ++ | 20:08 |
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