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| mrhillsman | i know there was some mention of looking into matrix as an option for those more inclined to use a tool like slack, is there a thread re this so someone could keep up with the conversation? | 01:15 |
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| mrhillsman | asking as i ran across zulipchat.com and it seems like quite a good alternative | 01:15 |
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| mnaser | mrhillsman: seems cool and all but I’m a bit iffy about making statements like this “Zulip has a significantly larger and more active development community than other modern open source group chat solutions like Mattermost, Rocket.Chat, and matrix.org.” | 13:50 |
| mnaser | Not cool :p | 13:50 |
| mrhillsman | why so? | 13:51 |
| mnaser | mrhillsman: seems like an unnecessary jab at other communities :p | 14:19 |
| mnaser | while it is factual... but still | 14:19 |
| mnaser | (doesn't stop me from thinking it looks like a pretty sweet platform) | 14:19 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 14:20 |
| mrhillsman | one of the things that stood out based on some concerns i heard raised about slack and alternatives seems to be a planned feature at the bottom of - https://zulipchat.com/for/open-source/ | 14:23 |
| mrhillsman | Public archive (coming soon) | 14:23 |
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| dhellmann | mrhillsman : so far I'm only aware of a few folks saying we should look into it, but no threads or firm proposals | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | I think the idea was we would be able to host our own home server if we use matrix, and that would let us do things like use the foundation identity server for logins (if we wanted to) | 16:07 |
| mrhillsman | got you, we are doing some reviewing on the uc side of things and wanted to see how far that conversation had gone | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | it looks like zulip also has a self-hosted option | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | I think the conversation in vancouver include clarkb, corvus, fungi, and mordred, among others | 16:09 |
| mrhillsman | so probably checking with infra team would be ideal? | 16:09 |
| mrhillsman | at least to see if that conversation went anywhere | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | yeah, though like I said I don't think there's a formal proposal or evaluation at this stage | 16:09 |
| mrhillsman | or thoughts folks have at this point | 16:09 |
| mrhillsman | sure, understood, i guess i am thinking about getting an understanding of the energy around the topic as it stands today | 16:10 |
| clarkb | it started I think with my suggestion that people try the matrix bridge to freenode using riot as suggested by adam spiers as a near term soluyion for people wanting slack like experience with irc | 16:10 |
| clarkb | and then we mumbled about hosting our own but nothing concrete | 16:11 |
| mrhillsman | probably could be a substantial undertaking but i know we have a few threads around how we think things should look going forward; like MLs | 16:11 |
| mrhillsman | so thought it would be good to see where that stood | 16:11 |
| clarkb | that was the thing that set matrix apart if has an irc bridge that gives you a unique nick and is already built in to the main cluster | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | I found that to be mostly a nice feature, although the bride to this IRC channel seems to be broken | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | *bridge | 16:14 |
| clarkb | so from my perspective it was a maybe we dont have to change anything thought experiment (but needes people to try it) | 16:14 |
| mrhillsman | sorry, i don't understand this phrase, "has an irc bridge that gives you a unique nick and is already built in to the main cluster" | 16:18 |
| mrhillsman | i know the bridge is there | 16:19 |
| mrhillsman | are you saying the nick is automagically created? | 16:19 |
| clarkb | mrhillsman: most irc bridges dont give you a unique nick you show up as messages from a single boy | 16:19 |
| clarkb | *bot | 16:19 |
| clarkb | and we dont have to run any software to test it. you can use it today with the existing global cluster using the existing clients. adam spiers has a how to blog iirc | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | mrhillsman : I'm signed in to matrix via the riot client and am in #openstack-dev as dhellmann[m] | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | (the bridge doesn't work in this channel for some reason) | 16:20 |
| mrhillsman | ah ok, then yeah, zulip would need to resolve that as it uses a bot for it's irc integration | 16:21 |
| clarkb | mrhillsman: for example katas slack irc bridge is what I dont want | 16:21 |
| mrhillsman | yeah | 16:21 |
| mrhillsman | yeah, it is problematic | 16:21 |
| clarkb | it completely ruins the experience imo | 16:22 |
| mrhillsman | totally understand what you mean there and totally agree with ^ | 16:22 |
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| clarkb | dhellmann: we should see if someone else can replicate the issue with this channel. I may give that a go tomorrow | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | I see lbragstad and smcginnis signed in to the same thing I'm looking at via riot. I wonder if we all log out of that room if it would reset the bridge. | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | I find the client pretty slow, but I am only using it for irc right now so I wonder if it would be faster using a native protocol | 16:25 |
| mrhillsman | yeah riot is slow, that's what steered me away from it | 16:25 |
| mrhillsman | at one point it was not loading | 16:25 |
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| mrhillsman | ++ | 16:26 |
| mrhillsman | thx for the insight | 16:26 |
| mrhillsman | will follow up later in the week | 16:26 |
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| clarkb | mrhillsman: all of the slack type clients are memory hogs and slow ime but if you want animated gifs that is tye price you ay I guess | 16:28 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 16:30 |
| mrhillsman | i don't think i tried riot desktop app if there is one | 16:33 |
| mrhillsman | browser and android app were problematic | 16:33 |
| clarkb | there is one | 16:33 |
| mrhillsman | i'll try it again as i am trying out zulip still | 16:37 |
| mrhillsman | maybe another as well | 16:37 |
| mrhillsman | that bot is definitely a deal breaker i think unless it can be changed to function the same as riot | 16:39 |
| mrhillsman | unless riot is better :) | 16:40 |
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| rutre5 | TESTING TESTING | 19:38 |
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