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| fungi | oh, tc-members: it's technically office hour again (i missed the first 9 minutes, sorry!) | 01:09 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting tc | 01:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 20 01:09:07 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:09 |
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| fungi | #topic Office Hour | 01:09 |
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| mnaser | I’m around. Escaped my backyard. | 01:18 |
| mnaser | Being outside means mosquitos. | 01:18 |
| fungi | #chair mnaser | 01:19 |
| openstack | Current chairs: fungi mnaser | 01:19 |
| fungi | yes, i've been meaning to make some tiki torches for citronella oil | 01:19 |
| mnaser | A pleasent burger bbq turns out to be torture. | 01:19 |
| fungi | i have a bunch of beer growlers and fiber glass tiki torch wicks, just need to do the assembly | 01:20 |
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| mnaser | quiet one today | 01:57 |
| mnaser | i guess it's about to be a wrap. | 01:59 |
| mnaser | fungi: close out? :) | 02:01 |
| mnaser | i guess you're not around, no worries | 02:03 |
| mnaser | #endmeeting | 02:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 20 02:03:51 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2018/tc.2018-06-20-01.09.html | 02:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2018/tc.2018-06-20-01.09.txt | 02:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2018/tc.2018-06-20-01.09.log.html | 02:03 |
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| fungi | oh, yep, i lost track (again) | 02:26 |
| fungi | thanks mnaser! | 02:26 |
| mnaser | np have a good night fungi | 02:26 |
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| fungi | you too | 02:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adrian Turjak proposed openstack/governance master: Adjutant official project status https://review.openstack.org/553643 | 02:31 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: re: buckets, it would make sense to limit trademark programs to the "openstack" main bucket -- although I think it's actually the other way around. The "openstack" bucket contains main cloud components (rather than operational add-ons), so candidates for the trademark programs belong in it | 07:48 |
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| ttx | I created and uploaded a set of traffic light images for use on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_health_tracker | 09:37 |
| ttx | Green means no issues, Orange warning, Red immediate action needed | 09:38 |
| ttx | You can use it to summarize your update | 09:38 |
| ttx | (see bottom of file for examples) | 09:38 |
| cdent | I have mixed feelings about that. It's a good visual aid, makes scanning easier, lots of positives. | 09:39 |
| cdent | Not sure how to describe the other feeling | 09:40 |
| ttx | badge? | 09:40 |
| cdent | yeah, some of that, and some of "we're doing systematized project management brought to you by something something trademark something" | 09:41 |
| cdent | But I think the benefits outweigh my bad memories | 09:41 |
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| ttx | I share teh concern that what is a useful prioritization/escalation tool for us might be seen as something else if the greater public reads too much into it | 09:42 |
| ttx | Tricky to balance our use of open tooling with others seeing it as an official statement | 09:43 |
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| ttx | We can abandon it if it gets too... visible | 09:43 |
| * cdent nods | 09:44 | |
| ttx | having those images available in the wiki was useful uploads anyway | 09:44 |
| * ttx is a visual person | 09:44 | |
| cdent | ✔ | 09:44 |
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| smcginnis | Look at the purdy lights. | 10:49 |
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| * cdent wonders if smcginnis is getting out enough lately | 10:53 | |
| smcginnis | Probably not. | 10:53 |
| cdent | me neither | 10:53 |
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| jroll | fungi: I like your growler torch idea, may have to use that | 11:43 |
| jroll | or even just 750ml bottles with interesting labels | 11:44 |
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| mnaser | bonjour | 12:16 |
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| fungi | ohayō gozaimasu | 13:15 |
| dims | o/ | 13:38 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: I like looking at it the map/trademark thing way you've expressed it. | 13:44 |
| fungi | i think i understand what that sentence was supposed to mean, and agree | 13:47 |
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| fungi | only 2 active developers on ceilometer? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131668.html | 14:39 |
| cdent | yup | 14:39 |
| cdent | I'll be highlighting such things when I come around to writing the telemetry health check notes | 14:40 |
| cdent | for a long time it was three (+gordc) but he left openstack | 14:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: write up the python3-first goal https://review.openstack.org/575933 | 14:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Castellan-compatible key store is a base service https://review.openstack.org/572656 | 14:54 |
| zaneb | dhellmann: you forgot to delete that last paragraph | 14:55 |
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| dhellmann | zaneb : bah, thanks | 14:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: write up the python3-first goal https://review.openstack.org/575933 | 14:57 |
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| zaneb | dhellmann: also, "Yes, I should add a reference to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131193.html for that and include the step of adding 3.6 jobs." | 15:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: write up the python3-first goal https://review.openstack.org/575933 | 15:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: write up the python3-first goal https://review.openstack.org/575933 | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | zaneb : I think that covers it ^^ | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | and thank you for such a close review; clearly I should have gone back and re-read the notes I left to myself :-/ | 15:29 |
| zaneb | dhellmann: thanks! | 15:30 |
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| dims | "but members of the board recognise that now is the time to give the process some structure" ... was this from any recent board call zaneb ? | 15:41 |
| zaneb | dims: no, from the forum session | 15:41 |
| dims | great writeup btw! | 15:42 |
| zaneb | thanks | 15:42 |
| zaneb | so specifically "[some] members of the board", not "The Board" | 15:42 |
| dims | zaneb : ah, thanks. | 15:42 |
| dims | zaneb : y, just hoping against hope that they are going to do something. cross my fingers | 15:43 |
| zaneb | I'm hopeful that the folks we talked to at the forum will carry the message back that it's time | 15:44 |
| * zaneb stares intently at mordred | 15:45 | |
| dims | we have 6 individual representatives that we as a community elected. i am hoping they will go to bat for us. | 15:46 |
| dims | i added a "What is the TC's role in influencing what's happening at the top level in the foundation?" in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tc-office-hour-conversation-starters | 15:47 |
| mordred | I didn't do it | 15:48 |
| zaneb | it was like that when you found it? | 15:49 |
| dims | dhellmann : could we link that etherpad in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Technical_Committee_Tracker page? | 15:49 |
| mordred | zaneb: yeah - you think _I_ could accomplish something like that? | 15:49 |
| dims | mordred : yes, i think you can :) | 15:50 |
| zaneb | mordred: once you get talking there's no telling what will happen ;) | 15:51 |
| * mordred hands dims what he thinks is a pie | 15:51 | |
| dims | :) | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | dims : the conversation starters? sure, go for it | 15:59 |
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| fungi | dims: 8 representatives we elected, right? | 16:11 |
| dims | fungi : https://www.openstack.org/foundation/board-of-directors/ shows 6 when i search on "Individual Representative" | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | the board is made up of 3 groups of 8 from each class of representative | 16:15 |
| fungi | that page also seems to only have 23 of our 24 board members | 16:17 |
| dims | who are we missing from that page then? | 16:17 |
| fungi | and some don't mention what type of seat they hold | 16:18 |
| dims | aha | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Did they add the latest member company yet? | 16:22 |
| fungi | by my tally we have 3 platinum seats filled, 4 gold, 6 individual and 10 unidentified with 1 still unaccounted for | 16:23 |
| fungi | the descriptions for two of the unidentified seat holders mention they're individual directors, so that's the 8 there | 16:24 |
| dims | thanks fungi | 16:27 |
| fungi | also one of the unidentified mentions gold membership of their employer, implying they might hold a gold seat | 16:28 |
| fungi | ttx apparently correctly identified that our platinum director from tencent is the missing entry at the moment | 16:30 |
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| fungi | i've put a bug in jamesmacarthur's ear and he's going to look into getting that page normalized and corrected | 17:10 |
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| smcginnis | Khaaaaan! | 17:19 |
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| fungi | dims: jamesmacarthur updated the board of directors page about an hour ago | 18:46 |
| dims | thanks fungi, james! | 18:46 |
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| tbarron | hey folks, gouthamr and I were curious why manila doesn't have the diverse_affiliation tag as defined at | 20:48 |
| tbarron | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/team_diverse-affiliation.html#requirements | 20:48 |
| tbarron | and he was so kind as to run the | 20:48 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Maybe because Red Hat and "others" account for 50%? http://stackalytics.com/?module=manila-group | 20:49 |
| tbarron | tools/teamstats.py script, with the following results: | 20:49 |
| tbarron | https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/SQD2JFQfcQewa60LtahqcQ | 20:49 |
| tbarron | is there something we are missing here? | 20:49 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: It could be that it's now diverse where it wasn't before. Maybe? | 20:50 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: lots of reviews and contributions from huawei fibrehome, etc? | 20:50 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: We've had some discussions around how that tag qualification tends to flap quite a bit for some projects. | 20:50 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: i think historically it was dominated by netapp and mirantis | 20:51 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Might need to wait until the morning for ttx to be around as he's been the one running and taking care of those. | 20:51 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: but nowadays netapp is still contributing, we have a lot more contributions from the west side of the pacific rim, and yes, red hat is interested too | 20:51 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: But I concur, as you show, based on current results from that tool it would appear manila should have that. | 20:51 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: sure, thanks | 20:52 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: we'll look for ttx in the morning, and yes, I'd like to build up our EU contribution again too :D | 20:52 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 20:52 |
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| smcginnis | TheJulia: ni hao | 20:57 |
| TheJulia | It seems like it is morning here | 20:58 |
| fungi | smcginnis: tbarron: the commit message from the last governance update applying/removing those tags may have rationale | 20:58 |
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| fungi | tbarron: gouthamr: what am i missing? it says "team:diverse-affiliation" at https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/projects/manila.html#team-based-tags and https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/team_diverse-affiliation.html#application-to-current-teams also lists "Manila (Shared File Systems service)" | 22:29 |
| fungi | looks to me like it's had that tag all the way back to 2015 | 22:31 |
| fungi | so i'm not sure what it is you'd like changed? | 22:33 |
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| gouthamr | fungi: that's right, we were kinda confused about that too | 22:52 |
| fungi | stepping back for a moment... can you explain what made you think manila doesn't have the team:diverse-affiliation tag | 22:52 |
| fungi | ? | 22:52 |
| gouthamr | fungi: but it doesn't show up on the tags in the docs/github, ex: https://github.com/openstack/manila#team-and-repository-tags | 22:52 |
| fungi | gouthamr: oh, that's something to do with "badges" support flaper87 figured out for projects to include in their readme files if they want. there's nothing official about it | 22:53 |
| gouthamr | fungi: oh.. thanks for the context | 22:54 |
| fungi | there's some tooling which generates https://governance.openstack.org/tc/badges/manila.svg and it must be malfunctioning | 22:54 |
| fungi | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/badges/nova.svg seems to include it, so the problem isn't specific to the tag itself i guess | 22:55 |
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| fungi | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/doc/source/_exts/badges.py is the sphinx extension generating those | 22:58 |
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| gouthamr | thanks fungi, will see what's wrong with the generation on manila | 23:00 |
| fungi | running `tox -e docs` should cause them to get built in doc/build/html/badges/ i think | 23:00 |
| fungi | looks like i'm missing a module pil wants | 23:02 |
| fungi | looks like i needed to install libfreetype6-dev | 23:03 |
| fungi | and clear the prebuilt wheel for pil out of ~/.cache/pip/wheels | 23:09 |
| fungi | seems to actually dump them into doc/build/badges/ | 23:13 |
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| gouthamr | fungi: yep, found it.. so the tag itself is directly rendered from the projects.yaml | 23:16 |
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| tbarron | gouthamr: fungi: thanks for sorting this out! | 23:20 |
| fungi | gouthamr: look at the content of the svg... there's an element with id="team:diverse-affiliation" | 23:22 |
| fungi | i wonder if we're just incorrectly clipping the dimensions of that svg | 23:22 |
| gouthamr | !! | 23:22 |
| openstack | gouthamr: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 23:22 |
| fungi | the badge is 143 wide starting at x="348" | 23:23 |
| fungi | overall svg width claims to be 216 | 23:23 |
| fungi | i bet someone mathed wrongly | 23:23 |
| * gouthamr heh, looks for one missing tag, finds two | 23:28 | |
| fungi | right, there should be 5 badges total i think for that repo (official status, one team tag, three deliverable tags) | 23:29 |
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