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| openstackgerrit | Chason Chan proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Note that tox need python3-dev or python-dev https://review.openstack.org/573206 | 07:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-team-guide master: Note that tox need python3-dev or python-dev https://review.openstack.org/573206 | 13:08 |
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| tosky | hi, I've noticed a bunch of reviews adding a py36 tox environment; is it related to this thread? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131196.html | 13:13 |
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| dhellmann | tosky : not directly | 13:32 |
| dhellmann | or maybe, but not in a coordinated way | 13:32 |
| dhellmann | tosky : see my comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/577686/ | 13:32 |
| tosky | dhellmann: ack, so as long as we don't add the jobs, merging the patches should not do any harm | 13:34 |
| dhellmann | yeah, and the jobs do exist so if you really want to you could go ahead and add them | 13:34 |
| tosky | oh, good to know | 13:34 |
| dhellmann | it will just be easier to control which branches run them if you wait | 13:35 |
| tosky | better to wait then | 13:35 |
| tosky | I'm still frowning every time I see those mass-proposed patches with no previous announcement, but still | 13:35 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that's part of why I'm trying to be so detailed in the goal description | 13:37 |
| dhellmann | that migration is going to result in a bunch of patches | 13:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/governance master: Add note about tracking cycle goals post-cycle https://review.openstack.org/577149 | 14:16 |
| fungi | trying to remember... why was it we ended up with explicit envs in tox.ini setting basepython=python3 rather than setting it in the generic inherited testenv and then overriding it to python2.7 in an explicit testenv:py27 section? | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | fungi: tox doesn't behave as it should in that case. | 14:20 |
| smcginnis | Having a py35 and py36 job with just basepython = python3 ends up using, for example, py36 for both if that is the primary py3 installed. | 14:20 |
| fungi | basepython=python2.7 in testenv:py27 doesn't override basepython=python3 in testenv? | 14:20 |
| fungi | oh! with multiple python3 | 14:21 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Yeah, I don't think it impacts py27. | 14:21 |
| fungi | so on systems where you have multiple python 3.x interpreters, it ends up using whichever one it finds as the python3 executable rather than the specific one matching the implicit env | 14:22 |
| smcginnis | Would be nice in these shotgun patches if they would make sure the first one is right before replicating it 100 times. | 14:22 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Yep, exactly. | 14:22 |
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| fungi | pretty ugly workaround as it means you need to turn all the implicit testenvs into explicit testenvs | 14:22 |
| smcginnis | fungi: I checked on Fedora 28 (python 3.6 by default) and even though I installed python 3.5, it with just saying "python3" running "tox -e py35" would end up using python 3.6. | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Totally agree. I think tox should be fixed. | 14:23 |
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| fungi | i'll go see if i can find an open issue on it | 14:26 |
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| dhellmann | the version of python you get by default will depend on where you installed tox, I think | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | fungi , smcginnis : this configuration option may be their answer: https://tox.readthedocs.io/en/latest/config.html#confval-ignore_basepython_conflict=True|False(default) | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | and according to https://tox.readthedocs.io/en/latest/config.html#confval-basepython=NAME-OR-PATH in version 3.1 environments that use a default factor ignore the value | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | though it doesn't look like 3.1 has been released, yet | 14:29 |
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| zaneb | the default is whatever version of python tox was installed under, *unless* the environment name is of the form py[23][0-7] | 15:03 |
| zaneb | setting basepython overrides both, although in 99% of cases you'd prefer it only overrode the first half | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it looks like 3.1 will fix that when it is released | 15:04 |
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| fungi | looking forward to finding out what 3.1 breaks | 15:09 |
| fungi | aha, https://github.com/tox-dev/tox/issues/477 solved by stephenfin's https://github.com/tox-dev/tox/pull/841 | 15:18 |
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| mnaser | is there anyone here who knows open source licensing fairly well? | 15:40 |
| mnaser | i'd like to propose a small puppet module to ask if they'd be willing to switch their license to apache instead of gpl.. | 15:40 |
| mnaser | and it would be nice saying some of the reasons why it could/would be beneficial | 15:41 |
| zaneb | mnaser: theres like 4 people in the world who know open source licensing 'fairly well' ;) | 15:41 |
| mnaser | maybe i should revise that to 'relatively well to me' and that would include most of the population | 15:41 |
| mnaser | :p | 15:41 |
| cdent | let's go the other way and switch everything from apache to gpl ;) | 15:44 |
| zaneb | mnaser: the major difference is that you'd be able to use it | 15:49 |
| mnaser | oh | 15:49 |
| mnaser | sweet | 15:49 |
| mnaser | :P | 15:50 |
| zaneb | mnaser: for something like a puppet module, the only real downside of apache is that somebody could modify the source and then give it to other people with restrictions on redistributing the modified source | 15:50 |
| mnaser | zaneb: in this case, probably not happening. however, i found a nice article | 15:51 |
| zaneb | whereas the GPL requires that all modifications must also be under the GPL | 15:51 |
| mnaser | https://puppet.com/blog/relicensing-puppet-to-apache-2-0 | 15:51 |
| zaneb | that's a good summary | 15:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: write up the python3-first goal https://review.openstack.org/575933 | 17:44 |
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| fungi | [standard i-am-not-a-lawyer disclaimer] if you have puppet modules some of which are licensed gpl v2-only and some under apache license 2.0 and you consider importing both into a single manifest to constitute an equivalent of "linking" in gpl terms, then you can't redistribute that manifest because it would be derivative of two incompatible licenses | 18:48 |
| fungi | if instead of gpl v2-only it's gpl v2+ then apache 2.0 and gpl v3 are considered compatible at least | 18:49 |
| fungi | https://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html | 18:49 |
| fungi | that said, if your goal is to be able to distribute your manifest under _just_ apache license 2.0 then yes you'd need the authors of the gpl'd modules to agree to either switch to apache or dual-license their work under both | 18:50 |
| fungi | (alternatively they could switch to something functionally less restrictive than apache, like mit/expat or isc) | 18:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/governance master: Add note about tracking cycle goals post-cycle https://review.openstack.org/577149 | 18:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: write up the python3-first goal https://review.openstack.org/575933 | 19:01 |
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| zaneb | stats padding at its finest: somebody left a -1 on this https://review.openstack.org/577432 | 23:20 |
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