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| ttx | o/ | 09:00 |
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| cmurphy | hello o/ | 09:00 |
| cmurphy | how's your jet lag ttx ? | 09:01 |
| ttx | getting better :) | 09:01 |
| ttx | I'm still catching up on $stuff | 09:02 |
| cdent | oh hey tc-members, is it office hours? | 09:08 |
| ttx | it is | 09:08 |
| cdent | Did I miss anything on Thursday and Friday? | 09:08 |
| ttx | If you did, then I did too | 09:08 |
| * cmurphy also missed thursday | 09:08 | |
| cdent | My brain is confused by impending summit cfp deadline and ptg planning happening at the same time | 09:09 |
| cdent | But I did have a thing that I wanted to bring up. Constellations: Are they still a thing we want to actively work on/with? | 09:10 |
| ttx | I think yes | 09:12 |
| ttx | I see them as ways to explain / traverse the map | 09:12 |
| ttx | rather than as first-order constructs | 09:13 |
| cdent | I ask mostly because we've had the idea for quite some time now, but not really executed. That means we either need to cut something else or cut them. | 09:13 |
| ttx | but that would be the only way my view changed since we drafted that vision | 09:13 |
| cdent | We have a fabulous capacity for adding more goals, but not removing. | 09:14 |
| ttx | cdent: yeah -- I've personally prioritized it down since we always had volunteers when asking | 09:14 |
| ttx | but I'll likely prioritize it up (and include it in my "mapping" activity) if nobody really delivers | 09:15 |
| cdent | I think the volunteer pool has other priorities too | 09:15 |
| ttx | right | 09:15 |
| ttx | I also think the need/value for constellations will be more obvious once we have a map-centric redesigned project navigator | 09:16 |
| ttx | currently it looks a bit like an abstract exercise | 09:16 |
| cdent | I'm increasingly of the opinion that we need to avoid heroics and use that energy on exposing gaps, rather than filling them. | 09:17 |
| * ttx catches up with governance reviews | 09:18 | |
| cmurphy | one of my health check projects is wondering whether the summit will have project updates? I assume yes but they're wondering since it's a short summit | 09:19 |
| cdent | (thanks for the reminder) | 09:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Fix typo in opestack/ansible-role-openstack-... https://review.openstack.org/583172 | 09:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Fix typo in opestack/ansible-role-openstack-... https://review.openstack.org/583172 | 12:49 |
| smcginnis | Is there a TC PTG planning etherpad? | 12:49 |
| smcginnis | I think we should have a topic on constellations, and the whole vision, to see if we need to course correct on anything. | 12:50 |
| fungi | cmurphy: i think it got asked in here last week, and yes there are planned to be slots for both project updates and project onboarding sessions again. as of friday it sounds like the coordinators for those are waiting for the event coordinators to tell them how many slots they have for those | 12:52 |
| fungi | smcginnis: sounds like you should bring an astrolabe | 12:52 |
| cmurphy | thanks fungi | 12:53 |
| * smcginnis looks up a Copernicus costume. | 12:53 | |
| * fungi suspects his navigational humor was a little stretched by that one | 12:53 | |
| * smcginnis can navigate right into the rocky shoreline | 12:54 | |
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| dims | o/ | 13:04 |
| smcginnis | Morning dims o/ | 13:05 |
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| dhellmann | cdent : johnthetubaguy started a constellation; we agreed to move those to their own repo (instead of governance); openstack/constellations is now set up; unfortunately, johnthetubaguy had other priorities come up before being able to resume the work | 13:18 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : I haven't created one yet. It felt premature. If you'd like to create one, though, go for it. | 13:19 |
| cdent | dhellmann: yeah, I know, I go back to that repo once a week and think "I should do something here" | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | cdent : so say we all | 13:19 |
| cdent | but then think "no, actually, my plate runneth over" | 13:19 |
| cdent | so say we all | 13:19 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 13:20 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Thanks, I'll get one started just so we have one. | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | I recently saw the idea of having a separate "ideas" bucket, separate from a "backlog", to hold the things that a team is thinking about but hasn't prioritized enough to say they would actually do. It felt a bit weird at first, but I'm coming to like the idea the more I think of it. | 13:22 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : thanks | 13:22 |
| smcginnis | I've always considered a backlog kind of like that, but I supposed kind of mixed with things I for sure want to do and things I maybe might want to do. I suppose breaking those apart might make things more clear. | 13:23 |
| persia | In commercial contexts, I often use "incoming" for precisely that purpose: things not yet ready for backlog without more thought/strategy. | 13:23 |
| smcginnis | PTG planning etherpad started and added to the list - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Stein/Etherpads | 13:43 |
| cdent | thanks smcginnis | 13:43 |
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| cdent | Hmmm. Not a great deal to say for this week's tc report. | 14:13 |
| smcginnis | cdent: It's all because I was on vacation. Just not anything interest to report without me around. (Hah!!) | 14:15 |
| cdent | it might be true | 14:15 |
| cdent | in my copious free time I will compare tc report line count with vacations | 14:16 |
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| TheJulia | So circling back to the doc clarity/landing page for projects discussion from last week, It came up in discussion amongst ironic folks today during a call and there seems to be an understanding and willingness to change our landing page to provide additional clarity, but only if there is a standardized cross-project format/way to convey the high level concepts of what a project does and solves for the user that stumble | 15:05 |
| TheJulia | across the main page. Mainly so there is similarity between landing pages for documentation. I have an outstanding item to go back and find the proposal that was put up for docs and share it amongst ironic to further our individual team discussion but desire was sought that there should be definition by the TC or foundation of what should be on a landing page. | 15:05 |
| zaneb | cdent: here's another link for your TC report https://www.zerobanana.com/archive/2018/07/17#openstack-layer-model-limitations | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | TheJulia: I missed the discussion last week, but I recall from Vancouver there was someone from the Red Hat docs team that said they were going to try to get the team there involved more. | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | And one of their things was that they have been trying to switch their docs to be more story focused to guide readers rather than the data dump format we kinda have now. | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | Unfortunately I can't remember their name, but if we could get their input so we can have a consistent and user-friendly format, I think we really need that. | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | zaneb: Nice write up. | 15:38 |
| cdent | thank you zaneb | 15:42 |
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| TheJulia | smcginnis: That would be awesome to see I think. The resistance I think is that I suspect projects will be unwilling to change formats without lots of work (and ultimately time they don't really have), and also unwilling without there being a requirement to do so. I think at the same time, we're going to resist trying to drive that because we would want to see something more organic fall into place. :\ | 15:53 |
| smcginnis | True. On the other hand, if we can be prescriptive about how we would like to change and show the consistency across projects, then I think it could be low hanging fruit for someone to come in and shuffle things around a bit. | 15:54 |
| smcginnis | I know I would welcome some Cinder docs help. | 15:54 |
| TheJulia | Maybe even if it was just main landing page specific? That seems like it could be better, and maybe give projects the chance to incldue a mascot logo on the page. | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | Oh, that's a nice idea. | 15:58 |
| TheJulia | Also becomes FAR less text to shuffle and could allow it to become a goal | 15:59 |
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| smcginnis | I think that could be a very nice cycle goal. It would be a somewhat easy effort and have an obvious end user benefit. | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | TheJulia : the review you're looking for is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/579177/ | 16:38 |
| TheJulia | dhellmann: already found it, but thanks! | 16:38 |
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| dhellmann | I think I would rather we show that as an example, than mandate its use, but it seems like a good start | 17:10 |
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| fungi | i wonder would a page template of some sort in the openstack sphinx theme help nudge that transition along? give the project page a distinct layout to help make it feel special while ultimately being consistent and easy to plug content into, but still visually consistent with the rest of the theme | 17:19 |
| fungi | or did i basically just rehash 579177? ;) | 17:20 |
| fungi | looks like maybe i did | 17:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Adjutant official project status https://review.openstack.org/553643 | 17:51 |
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