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| * ttx is back, tempted to declare bankrupcy on this channel logs rather than read everything | 08:30 | |
| cmurphy | slacker | 08:30 |
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| evrardjp | cmurphy: :) | 09:49 |
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| ttx | I failed at bankrupcy | 10:11 |
| ttx | Re: Trove/Searchlight/Freezer and the will to apply some consistent decision there, I think the 3 cases are really different. | 10:13 |
| ttx | In the case of Trove, a leadership transition was in progress already, the election just came with the wrong timing | 10:14 |
| ttx | so to me it's a no-brainer. | 10:14 |
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| ttx | In the case of Searchlight and Freezer, the inactivity during the Rocky cycle resulted in them being dropped from release. Intermittent releases look really bad from a user perspective, so I was strongly in support of dropping them | 10:15 |
| ttx | In the case of Freezer, a bunch of existing users expressed worry and one of them stepped up | 10:16 |
| ttx | In the case of Searchlight, we have a volunteer but there wasn't exactly a pile of users calling due to worries | 10:16 |
| ttx | So I'm a definitive +2 for Trove, a small +1 on Freezer and a small -1 on Searchlight | 10:20 |
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| cdent | anybody have access to https://www.gartner.com/document/3886771 ? | 10:23 |
| cdent | "OpenStack 2018: State of the Technology" | 10:24 |
| ttx | hmm, no. I can ask around | 10:24 |
| ttx | anything specific you'd like to know ? | 10:24 |
| cdent | I've seen a brief summary and it sounds pretty scathing, but also with some valid points | 10:24 |
| cdent | "Recent enhancements to OpenStack, which were designed to remediate long-standing operational and deployment deficiencies, have come too late, and the industry has moved on." | 10:24 |
| cdent | Amongst other things, I'm curious which those are | 10:25 |
| ttx | For the record: zaneb is not around, but I would be happy to co-host a tech vision post-lunch thing with cdent and him | 10:28 |
| cdent | ✔ | 10:32 |
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| evrardjp | sounds nice, thanks for organising that. | 11:30 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: in your next TC update, could you plug the post-lunch presentations etherpad ? Maybe link to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-July/132661.html | 12:42 |
| ttx | We'll need to decide on those soon now | 12:42 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: ack | 14:49 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: I added a "PTG Planning" section to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tc-status-update -- let me know what you think or go ahead and add more detail if you want | 14:51 |
| dhellmann | so many prepositional phrases in that sentence | 14:53 |
| ttx | Side effect of etherpad and me trying to change the meaning of the sentence without changing so many words | 14:55 |
| dhellmann | it looks good now | 14:55 |
| ttx | I wanted to add that sense of urgency to it :) | 14:55 |
| dhellmann | my initial word salad wasn't easy to work with | 14:55 |
| ttx | since I'd like us to finalize that before end of month ideally | 14:55 |
| ttx | to give enough time for people to prepare | 14:55 |
| ttx | end of next week would be ideal but we might not be able to do that | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | we have a few topics that might work as lightning talks and if we do that I see 4 sessions (assuming only 1 for lightning talks) | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | welcome, future, storyboard, lightning talks | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : could your release management talk be condensed into a lightning talk? | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Yep | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | thanks | 15:01 |
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| fungi | cdent: i'm told by someone who got access to that report that it doesn't actually say which improvements, but does suggest that ironic is an important feature (in support of popularity container technologies) and that openstack needs to double-down on api stability to avoid breaking organizations who are locked-into/stuck running openstack already or else they might jump ship | 17:03 |
| fungi | sounds to me like whoever funded that particular gartner study wants the industry to believe that openstack's only hope now is to cling tightly to the users it already has | 17:05 |
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| cdent | fungi: thanks. that interpretation seems pretty likely | 17:19 |
| fungi | amazon/google/microsoft setting their sights on the private cloud market probably means an increasing number of disinfo campaigns we'll need to combat | 17:20 |
| fungi | pay-for-message outfits like gartner are one of the primary weapons in such a war | 17:21 |
| * cdent nods | 17:26 | |
| scas | two years ago, chef openstack 'retired' the ironic cookbook after a major refactor and no apparent feedback on the one that existed. it sounds like, as steward to one of the paths to 'openstack', that decision needs to be reconsidered | 17:26 |
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| scas | didn't mean to deflate the whole thing with that nugget of public history past. i've been slowly working through a refactor, ENOTIME excepting | 20:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Remove proactive backport stable instructions https://review.openstack.org/593198 | 21:26 |
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| fungi | nice to see travis at least weigh in on the searchlight ptl volunteer | 23:50 |
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