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| mnaser | congrats dims_ ! | 01:29 |
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| mnaser | we planted one of us there now >:) haha | 01:29 |
| dims_ | thanks mnaser :) yep! | 01:33 |
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| gmann | dims_: congrats!, well deserve. | 02:52 |
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| evrardjp | congrats dims_ indeed. Good news. | 08:32 |
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| dims_ | thanks gmann evrardjp | 09:57 |
| cdent | dims_: woot. now you control the clouds. with great power etc ! | 09:59 |
| dims_ | cdent : LOL | 10:21 |
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| TheJulia | good morning everyone | 12:01 |
| evrardjp | good morning TheJulia | 12:03 |
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| ttx | Just posted my health check results for Karbor... Wondering if maintaining two different approaches to backing up resources (Freezer & Karbor) is not resulting in both failing to attract enough contributions | 12:22 |
| dhellmann | TheJulia : if you're working, we could use your input on this thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-October/135464.html (but if you're not working there's no particular rush) | 12:23 |
| ttx | Been workign to get them to converge in the past, but there were not enough resources available to make it happen (and the approaches were different enough for it to not be trivial) | 12:23 |
| TheJulia | dhellmann: ack, thanks | 12:24 |
| dhellmann | ttx: for some reason I thought freezer and karbor were focused on different aspects of backup. Are they both backing up tenant instances, images, etc.? | 12:25 |
| ttx | one starts with backup/restore products, and the other starts with openstack resources. But in the end they deliver a similar service imho (backing up stuff) | 12:26 |
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| ttx | At the PTG in Dublin I participated in a discussion where Karbor folks were planning to integrate Freezer plugins | 12:27 |
| ttx | From a "cloud" perspective I think I have a slight preference for the Karbor approach (cloud resources as the first class entity) | 12:29 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: I'm not saying they are similar. I'm just saying that having two one-person teams working on "backing up stuff" results in both failing | 12:29 |
| dhellmann | I also wonder how much demand there is for backup at all. I guess it's useful for pets. | 12:30 |
| dhellmann | well, yeah | 12:30 |
| fungi | backups are useful for data. data is precious whether you have pets or cattle | 12:35 |
| fungi | granted, i don't trust my data to in-cloud backups and perform cross-cloud backups instead. we don't really have an answer to cross-cloud services | 12:36 |
| fungi | trove almost got there with the ability to set up arbitrary replication, but that only works if your service providers expose enough of it to be able to get the replication traffic through | 12:36 |
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| TheJulia | dhellmann: replied to the thread | 13:28 |
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| dhellmann | TheJulia : thanks | 13:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/governance master: Reverse sort order for resolution date globs https://review.openstack.org/608280 | 14:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Frode Nordahl proposed openstack/governance master: charms: Add repository for Octavia charm https://review.openstack.org/608283 | 14:53 |
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| johnsom | Wahoo, spreading the wealth of Octavia.... grin | 15:02 |
| devananda | freezer is also appealing to hosting providers. point in time snapshot of your data, regardless of whether it's a pet or cattle, is a requirement for many organizations | 15:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Update stable-branches doc to mention $series-em tag https://review.openstack.org/608299 | 15:46 |
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| hogepodge | catching up on the conversation yesterday | 16:04 |
| hogepodge | I get the feeling that announce isn't really followed by that many people, and I would like to reach a larger audience. If announce is a list that people begrudgingly use, then what's the purpose of sending what is supposed to be a community bulletin to it. Part of the purpose is to keep people working on the projects informed of the larger Foundation efforts. | 16:07 |
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| TheJulia | There are definitely signal to noise issues no matter what is done. | 16:15 |
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| fungi | we may also be coming up against a question of control of the communication channels. as a community we recommend people who don't want to subscribe to our higher-volume mailing lists at least subscribe to openstack-announce to receive important announcements, and we send things like security advisories and release announcements there | 16:17 |
| fungi | i don't think we'd want to have to funnel those communications through the osf staff and rely on them to disseminate it, for example | 16:18 |
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| fungi | but similarly, the sorts of things we post there are only relevant to people who are running openstack so wouldn't be appropriate to send to a broader audience such as the foundation mailing list | 16:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Inherit openstackdocstheme for TC site https://review.openstack.org/604935 | 16:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/governance master: Reverse sort order for resolution date globs https://review.openstack.org/608280 | 16:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: show the modification time of each page individually https://review.openstack.org/607629 | 16:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-team-guide master: Disable cycle banner https://review.openstack.org/602659 | 17:13 |
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