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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/governance master: [DRAFT] Add a Technical Vision statement https://review.openstack.org/592205 | 00:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/governance master: New Repo - OpenStack-Helm Images https://review.openstack.org/611895 | 06:17 |
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| evrardjp | good mor... cough cough... ning | 08:56 |
| evrardjp | gmann: are you there? | 08:56 |
| gmann | evrardjp: hi | 08:58 |
| cdent | morning | 08:59 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 09:00 |
| evrardjp | gmann: want me to send the email? | 09:01 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 09:01 |
| evrardjp | I have it handy | 09:01 |
| gmann | evrardjp: i just sent | 09:01 |
| evrardjp | great, thanks! | 09:01 |
| ttx | ohai, I'm here too | 09:04 |
| evrardjp | morning everyone :) | 09:04 |
| ttx | lbragstad: are you in our nice tz as well, or just early riser? | 09:05 |
| cdent | lbragstad: thought you were on pto? | 09:05 |
| lbragstad | ttx nope - tuesday is just my early riser day | 09:05 |
| lbragstad | cdent came back on the 8th | 09:06 |
| * cdent clearly has some serious time lag | 09:07 | |
| ttx | TheJulia, fungi, anyone else interested: please see team health check guidelines at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tc-health-checklist -- I'll likely format and move that content to the wiki this week, so if you feel anything is missing, please add to it | 09:10 |
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| mnaser | i will be doing some housekeeping stuff over the weekend most likeely | 09:13 |
| cdent | ttx did you see my comment yesterday about that? | 09:13 |
| ttx | yes | 09:13 |
| ttx | in case you missed my reply: | 09:14 |
| mnaser | i will be also shortly using the tool to update the wiki | 09:14 |
| ttx | <ttx> that's an excellent point, since we are a bit of checks and balances to ensure inclusivity in teams | 09:14 |
| mnaser | so feel free to lock in whoever you want to stick with | 09:14 |
| cdent | thanks ttx, I had missed that | 09:16 |
| evrardjp | cdent: I completely agree on L42 addition btw :p | 09:18 |
| cdent | I feel strangely out of touch lately. Like a new email list has happened, and I forgot to subscribe | 09:20 |
| evrardjp | nobody has question for us? About processes or anything? We are fine talking with each other, but we'd like more people to join the conversation :) I was told the more the merrier at least. | 09:20 |
| evrardjp | cdent: interesting, if YOU feel out of touch, you're probably not the only one, can you explain? | 09:21 |
| cdent | I think we're in a lag, perhaps. | 09:21 |
| cdent | Regarding people joining the conversation: why would they? What is it we hope people to have to talk about when we invite them to the conversation? | 09:22 |
| ttx | Also, it's probably that they don't have a problem that they think we could help solving | 09:22 |
| ttx | which can be read in two ways | 09:22 |
| evrardjp | cdent: ttx in both case, I think it's best to encourage people in talking about eventual concerns | 09:23 |
| evrardjp | or victories | 09:23 |
| ttx | cdent: I felt a bit off too lately, but blamed it on a combination of travel and topics i don't feel less strongly than others about (python version support, meeting frequency) | 09:24 |
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| ttx | err.. I feel less strongly, I mean | 09:24 |
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| cdent | There's a similar feeling the nova portion of the community: something akin to low energy. It might just be northern hemisphere beginning of autumn combined with early-in-the-cylce | 09:26 |
| ttx | The "start prepare Berlin the day you leave Denver" effect is also a problem to me. Reduced global event frequency shall help there | 09:28 |
| cdent | oh yeah. totally. | 09:28 |
| * cdent has not prepared for berlin at all | 09:28 | |
| cdent | Can anyone state some particular important forum sessions that I should be extra specially sure to attend? | 09:30 |
| ttx | the ones on the TC slate are probably a good base list https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-TC-brainstorming | 09:31 |
| cdent | etherpad seems rather slow today | 09:33 |
| ttx | yes, just noticed that. Wasn't slow earlier | 09:34 |
| cdent | Weird, I completely missed the process of working that etherpad. | 09:35 |
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| evrardjp | how would you feel about having "stretched goals" for the healthchecks :D I think it would be wise to know how adjacent communities (the ones we are relying on) are doing | 09:48 |
| evrardjp | paste, flake8 are for example not listed in our watchlist. | 09:48 |
| evrardjp | uWSGI could be one I think worth keeping in the watchlist too | 09:50 |
| cdent | there's only so many of us and only so much time | 09:50 |
| evrardjp | cdent: agreed -- that process could scale better, maybe doing in a different way? | 09:51 |
| evrardjp | I don't know the rate of additions of repositories vs its removal, so I am not sure how far we'll be stretched x years from now | 09:51 |
| evrardjp | s/repositories/projects/ s/its removal/their removals | 09:52 |
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| smcginnis | evrardjp: I think it's an interesting point to check on some of our dependencies. | 11:13 |
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| smcginnis | I think we've had several cases now where we've been using a lib and didn't think much about it until something broke and we found out it hadn't been maintained for years. | 11:13 |
| smcginnis | Not sure how we can get an early warning system on something like that, but does seem like a good thing worth thinking about. | 11:14 |
| * dims peeks | 11:14 | |
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| TheJulia | ttx: looking through the list, I'm a bit worried about the time required ballooning with the more humans that need to be engaged. :( | 12:30 |
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| smcginnis | This has definitely grown to more than I at least thought it was going to be at the beginning. | 12:56 |
| cdent | quite | 12:59 |
| cdent | death by committee | 12:59 |
| ttx | I think maybe we could make it more of a prioritized list | 13:00 |
| ttx | it is definitely overwhelming at this point | 13:00 |
| ttx | Some are time sinks, like "inquire with people who are irregular contributors" or "Participate in the meeting" | 13:01 |
| ttx | Also by "Getting direct feedback from the team" I meant asking the PTL, so the next section is a bit of a duplicate | 13:04 |
| ttx | I refactored a bit so that it's less overwhelming. | 13:06 |
| smcginnis | The overall effort has been useful though. I think there are some concerns surfaced about Horizon and Trove that I need to add to the wiki. | 13:10 |
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| fungi | ttx: cdent: clarkb upgraded the etherpad server to ubuntu 16.04 lts just under a week ago, i think? wonder if performance issues could be related... | 13:15 |
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| ttx | I think it's more recent than that... but not sure | 13:19 |
| zaneb | cdent: maybe we should send out a survey or something to all irregular contributors to openstack to ask about inclusivity? | 13:30 |
| zaneb | because having someone from the TC personally ask all of them is not remotely feasible | 13:30 |
| cdent | for a moment there I thought you were going to suggest a survey to plan the health check queries, because it wasn't already growing enough | 13:31 |
| cdent | but yeah, I agree, it is too much to do by hand | 13:31 |
| cdent | My hope is that once health-checking became a visible thing and it was well known that one of the aspects of health was inclusivity irregular contributors might self-report | 13:32 |
| cdent | however, experiences suggests there's actually nothing to be done about it, so maybe it is moot | 13:32 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, ideally all this data would be crowd sourced, but I think we've seen that doesn't really work. | 13:33 |
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| evrardjp | smcginnis: could you explain how/why it doesn't work? Are you talking about a release experience, or a specific healthcheck experience? In the latter, would setting up a 'heartbeat' mechanism work? | 13:36 |
| cdent | evrardjp: unless I'm misunderstanding smcginnis, the issue with crowd-sources reports of lack of inclusivity | 13:38 |
| cdent | the tc has little power to change that | 13:38 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: I think in the past when we've passively waited for feedback from teams, we've had really mixed results. | 13:38 |
| smcginnis | cdent: And that. You tend to get the some limited set of people that are willing to provide feedback. | 13:39 |
| cdent | I did misinderstand, somewhat, but my comment remains | 13:39 |
| smcginnis | There's multiple factors involved I think. | 13:39 |
| fungi | basically, relying on self-reporting comes a heavy selection bias | 13:54 |
| fungi | er, comes with | 13:54 |
| cdent | indeed | 13:54 |
| fungi | but that's the stakes of any non-compulsory survey | 13:54 |
| cdent | biab | 13:56 |
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| scas | musing out loud: if someone is waiting on me to do/say something and i don't know about it, responses tend to come better when it comes on my radar | 14:32 |
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| TheJulia | \o/ statistics | 20:06 |
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| tonyb | is $topic correct for when the TC hold office-hours? or did that get swichted to a formal meeting? | 23:21 |
| zaneb | tonyb: we're still doing office hours | 23:26 |
| tonyb | zaneb: Thanks and there is in in ~90mins? | 23:26 |
| zaneb | that sounds right, yes | 23:27 |
| zaneb | yep, matches my calendar | 23:27 |
| tonyb | zaneb: Thanks. | 23:29 |
| tonyb | There times I dislike timezones, calendars and implementations of iCal parsers :/ | 23:33 |
| fungi | yep, in 76 minutes now | 23:43 |
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