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| mnaser | clarkb: in regards to that discussion, i think we need to work and help tripleo get more stable in whatever way possible, however, from a community pov, they (redhat) brings in a tremendous amount of resources inside openstack in terms of devs so i think it's a bit of a give and take | 11:22 |
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| mnaser | close to 8k commits in rocky so far, and way ahead anyone else (and i'm sure those aren't typo fixes either :p) | 11:22 |
| mnaser | almost consistently ~4x more the #2 committing company | 11:23 |
| clarkb | mnaser: ya thats why I find the comparison with other deployment projects interesting. We need longer span of data before jumping to conclusions but if kolla and osa can test openstack deployments with far more resources tripleo likely can too. But also I really want to get away from the idea that adding eg airshipor stx is going yo suddenly precent nova from merging code | 11:25 |
| clarkb | *far fewer resources | 11:26 |
| mnaser | clarkb: yes i agree, their volume is very small. but i also think that given the numbers, tripleo just has more contributors, we've (osa) had our fair share really bad gate issues but i guess given our velocity is slower, we don't make a big dent | 11:26 |
| mnaser | another thing we've done is not have a shared queue too in the gat | 11:26 |
| mnaser | gate* | 11:26 |
| mnaser | so we don't cause as much resets really if some role failed | 11:27 |
| clarkb | alsp osa seems to try and fix those problems :) | 11:27 |
| mnaser | yeah i think tripleo also does this thing where they abandon all changes, stop approving stuff and what not to help not affect too much but yeah maybe we need a bit of an awareness like | 11:28 |
| mnaser | "hey these are all shared resources so lets all be nice to each other" | 11:28 |
| clarkb | a big part of the tripleo pain seems to be how big and complicate it is so understanding failures is hard. I know because Ive tried. The good news is tripleo has committed to working on making that and other stuff better | 11:28 |
| clarkb | ansible rune mistral which runs a sible which runs puppet in docker or something | 11:29 |
| mnaser | yeah, it's a huge system so indeed it can take a really long time to fix things | 11:29 |
| clarkb | its not easy to unravel | 11:29 |
| mnaser | and i think the other hard thing is it's also not a quick deployment tool either so | 11:29 |
| mnaser | iterating to try and find fixes using the gate can take like... 2-3 attempts a day and you're done | 11:29 |
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| clarkb | another factor worth noting is the openstack integrated gate has also been flaky. There is a non zero chance that those bugs are also causing problems for tripleo. So we shouldnt assume this is a tripleo only problem to solve | 12:11 |
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