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| ttx | (office hour in progress for those interested) | 09:18 |
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| evrardjp | still catching up after holidays, happy to see a calm office hour tbh :p | 09:28 |
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| cdent | ttx: your kata message with 'if "people who work on the repository get paid to do so, then we | 13:33 |
| cdent | need to get paid too"' is interesting | 13:33 |
| cdent | to some extent that is a completely legit statement | 13:33 |
| cdent | my assertion for a long time has been that the corporate patrons aren't paying their dues | 13:34 |
| cdent | where "dues" could be anything from money, to humans, to hardware, to fees | 13:34 |
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| evrardjp | cdent: link on that message, please? | 14:07 |
| cdent | one sec | 14:07 |
| cdent | evrardjp: http://lists.katacontainers.io/pipermail/kata-dev/2019-January/000638.html | 14:08 |
| evrardjp | thx | 14:08 |
| mnaser | bleh. | 14:22 |
| mnaser | it's a bit disheartening what's happening in open source recently | 14:23 |
| cdent | it is disheartening, but I'm not surprised by it | 14:26 |
| cdent | there's an economic crunch that is being revealed. it's real. | 14:26 |
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| dims | :( | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | people have mistaken open source for a business model when it's actually an economic model | 14:35 |
| mnaser | i think there's a lot of different parties to blame which have really got us to where we are today | 14:43 |
| mnaser | "public clouds can't run our software to make money" one bothers me the the most esp when there are some which are literally invested in doing nothing but building their stuff upstream and in the open | 14:44 |
| mnaser | but public cloud is synonymous with big 3 for most people anywnays | 14:44 |
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| cdent | dhellmann: yes | 14:46 |
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| dhellmann | mnaser : I'm not sure if that was in response to what I said. What I mean is that the value of open source as an approach is collaborating on areas where everyone recognizes the value and collaboration becomes a force multiplier. Collaboration is the key, though. Taking without giving doesn't make sense economically. Sometimes the contribution is time or energy. Sometimes it's cash. | 14:57 |
| mnaser | dhellmann: oh not necessarily to what you said but just in general | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | from our side of that equation, I think we should spend less time fretting about things we can't do because we don't have resources, and spend more time focusing on making sure our contributors have a good place to collaborate on the things they do want to do | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 14:58 |
| mnaser | i agree | 14:58 |
| mnaser | this is part of why i'm so happy to be part of this community is that this is not at all what we're about | 14:59 |
| mnaser | contributions are always welcome, from time, code, money, effort, whatever, it's all value. | 14:59 |
| cdent | to clarify somewhat, dhellmann, I'm not really fretting: I'm angry. | 15:01 |
| cdent | But then I've always been angry with capitalists | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | let go of your anger, luke | 15:01 |
| cdent | no | 15:01 |
| cdent | the time for that is past | 15:02 |
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| smcginnis | He might need to get a haircut to pull that off. | 15:59 |
| cdent | I'll burn it off in a sparks from my fingers accident | 15:59 |
| TheJulia | Having been electrocuted a few times... owie | 16:06 |
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| fungi | can't say i have any sympathy for people who tried to strike it rich in the open source gold rush and are now horrified that competitors can make money by using the software they wrote (also was it really open in the first place, if they saw themselves the only financial stakeholders?) | 21:50 |
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