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| zaneb | diablo_rojo, ildikov: question for y'all re Upstream Institute syllabus http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-January/001793.html | 01:42 |
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| ildikov | zaneb: hi | 01:45 |
| ildikov | zaneb: just glanced through that mail | 01:45 |
| ildikov | zaneb: I think we can think of the common chapters of the Contributor Guide to link to the vision document | 01:46 |
| ildikov | zaneb: as far as the training is concerned I would probably start with making people aware that the vision document exists | 01:47 |
| zaneb | ildikov: totally agree, even just doing that would be of huge benefit imho | 01:48 |
| ildikov | zaneb: and we can iterate on how much time we spend on the topic with the aim of trying not to overwhelm people too much | 01:48 |
| zaneb | +1 | 01:48 |
| ildikov | As one challenge with the training is that it's easy to overload people's brains | 01:49 |
| ildikov | So making sure we raise awareness is the key here to start with | 01:49 |
| * diablo_rojo catches up | 01:49 | |
| ildikov | And I agree that's a good info for new contributors to know about | 01:50 |
| ildikov | Good if it's part of the culture | 01:50 |
| ildikov | zaneb: are you looking for guidance on where to link to it from in the Contributor Guide? | 01:51 |
| diablo_rojo | It should be relatively easy to add mention of the vision document to the governance section of the contributor guide | 01:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Similar to how we did with the reviewing the openstack way | 01:52 |
| ildikov | Either there or the intro section | 01:52 |
| zaneb | ildikov: I submitted a patch already for that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/631366/ (happy to get feedback on the review obviously), but the main thing I'm looking for guidance on is how to move from having a link in the guide to getting it incorporated in the training | 01:52 |
| diablo_rojo | I think Governance would be a better fit? But thats just me. | 01:53 |
| diablo_rojo | We usally go through the into pretty quickly | 01:53 |
| ildikov | zaneb: ah sorry, on my phone so didn't open the review yet | 01:54 |
| diablo_rojo | So if we want it to get more attention, it should live in governance | 01:54 |
| * zaneb looks at the governance section | 01:54 | |
| ildikov | zaneb: I think we can make it part of an existing module by adding an exercise to it | 01:54 |
| ildikov | As the training is heavily using the guide as you pointed it out | 01:54 |
| diablo_rojo | zaneb, the way the training works is that we have people read through the guide and anything linked to from the relevant section of the guide and then have the students do exercises | 01:55 |
| ildikov | I would still keep it lightweight and let students ask questions, etc | 01:55 |
| diablo_rojo | So like ildikov said, an exercise is the best way to make sure people are actually paying attention to it. | 01:55 |
| diablo_rojo | +2 | 01:57 |
| ildikov | As deep diving into a vision document can go heavy weight easily :) | 01:57 |
| diablo_rojo | Its something we can mention and have people ask questions about during breaks too | 01:57 |
| ildikov | We could start the governance section exercise with this | 01:57 |
| ildikov | Or finish the OpenStack intro block with it | 01:58 |
| diablo_rojo | I vote the first option- starting the governance section with it | 01:59 |
| ildikov | +1 to encourage people to ask questions during the break if they're interested in the details | 01:59 |
| ildikov | Cool, let's do that then | 01:59 |
| zaneb | diablo_rojo: I think it would certainly be relevant in the governance section for anybody looking to start a new project... | 01:59 |
| ildikov | zaneb: +1 | 02:00 |
| zaneb | but for contributors to existing projects, it feels more like an intro thing? like, I know it seems like chaos but we are all actually working towards the same thing and here's where you can read about it | 02:00 |
| ildikov | If we start the governance section exercises with that it's still right after the intro and sending that message | 02:01 |
| diablo_rojo | I think that is two different audiences | 02:01 |
| * zaneb hasn't actually been to one of the trainings so I'll defer to the experts | 02:01 | |
| diablo_rojo | zaneb, you should come to the one in Denver :) | 02:02 |
| ildikov | And then we can point out how we try to make sense of the chaos | 02:02 |
| zaneb | diablo_rojo: I should, but I'm sure it'll conflict with something I'm obliged to be at :/ | 02:02 |
| diablo_rojo | If it doesn't feel right in the governance section after Denver we can change it | 02:02 |
| ildikov | And yeah, people already contributing is a different story | 02:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Well if you can come Saturday at least that would be cool. | 02:03 |
| diablo_rojo | I know Sunday is normally a crapshoot for TC members cause thats when the board stuff is. | 02:03 |
| zaneb | yeah. will keep Sat in mind when I book flights though, thanks | 02:03 |
| ildikov | I think it's worthwhile to come and check it out even if it's for a few hours only and the whole thing | 02:04 |
| ildikov | zaneb: +1 | 02:04 |
| diablo_rojo | I agree with ildikov :) | 02:04 |
| diablo_rojo | We'd love to see you there even if its just for a little while zaneb | 02:05 |
| ildikov | +2 :) | 02:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/governance master: Cloud Vision: clarify meaning of design goals https://review.openstack.org/631435 | 07:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/governance master: Add Version Based Feature Discovery in Technical Vision https://review.openstack.org/621516 | 12:56 |
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| ttx | office hour time again | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 15:01 |
| fungi | indeed! | 15:02 |
| mugsie | o/ | 15:02 |
| fungi | tonyb went ahead and approved the tc election schedule | 15:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Do not expect releases of heat-cfnclient https://review.openstack.org/631528 | 15:04 |
| fungi | planning to send an announcement to the openstack-discuss ml todayish | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | Awesome | 15:05 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 15:06 |
| cdent | hola | 15:07 |
| * cdent raises the flag higher | 15:08 | |
| cdent | tc-members, it's office hours | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | I think we swapped times with the Wednesday office hours on activity this week. | 15:15 |
| lbragstad | yup | 15:16 |
| * cdent looks at the logs | 15:19 | |
| cdent | interesting, so between now and then we already decided to change when the elections happen without checking with the electorate? | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | Is that something that needs that broad of buy-in? | 15:20 |
| cdent | i meant the ordering of when ptl when tc | 15:21 |
| cdent | I don't know if it does or not | 15:21 |
| mugsie | did that pass? | 15:21 |
| ttx | yeah, that was quick | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | I guess I'm pretty ambivalent towards the timing of that, just as long as we have enough time for those affected to be able to book travel if they now have a compelling argument to their management to now go when they couldn't before. | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | I'm fine with whatever the election team wants to do. | 15:22 |
| cdent | it's not a big deal to me, it just means some adjustments in my scheming | 15:23 |
| cdent | and if I have schemes in progress, I have to assume others do too | 15:23 |
| * smcginnis pictures cdent scheming with a maniacal look on his face | 15:23 | |
| cdent | have you seen 2019 yet? that face has been there for a long time | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:24 |
| * mugsie has been avoiding news in 2019 | 15:24 | |
| mugsie | the news* | 15:24 |
| cdent | good choice | 15:25 |
| cdent | I'm currently contemplating my answer to dhellmann's question about what would you prune (besides asking that he prune his quotes) | 15:26 |
| cdent | the whole thread has been for sake of generating conversation, so I'm not sure if I should go for "here's one extreme" or be more inclusive | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | Being more extreme could certainly stimulate more conversation. Maybe not some that you really want to have though. | 15:28 |
| fungi | sorry, sort og afk in here since i ended up chairing the overlapping security sig meeting today | 15:29 |
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| fungi | so anyway, catching up on the discussion in here, the timing of tc-then-ptl elections this round was due to 1. not wanting to have ptls elected too far in advance of the start of the next release cycle, 2. needing to have tc elections within the required timeframe per the (current) bylaws, 3. avoiding having tc and ptl elections overlap leading to even worse confusion, and 4 avoiding having either | 15:59 |
| fungi | overlap with the summit/ptg | 15:59 |
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| cdent | thanks for joining in on that role thread cmurphy | 17:10 |
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| cmurphy | you're welcome cdent | 18:09 |
| cdent | cmurphy: you state one of the several common positions in a very comprehensible way, which is good to have in the mix | 18:10 |
| cmurphy | glad i could well represent that side of things | 18:12 |
| cmurphy | fungi: i'm not saying you do, i'm saying you could ;) | 18:13 |
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| fungi | ;) | 18:33 |
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