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| zaneb | I fear we may be leading ourselves off course by accident in using the term 'job description' here | 00:16 |
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| zaneb | the actual feedback from the board was not to put the list into the form of a job ad, but of a job *req* | 00:17 |
| zaneb | i.e. the business case a manager would make to their higher-ups to justify creating a position | 00:17 |
| zaneb | the list of required skills for the candidate or whatever is irrelevant to that. Alan made very clear that it's coming up with a business justification that counts | 00:19 |
| zaneb | cmurphy, lbragstad, ttx: ^ | 00:20 |
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| lbragstad | zaneb ok - based on that it sounds like we need to add more to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/637025/1/reference/help-most-needed.rst@237? | 03:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/governance master: Sign repo for auto-scaling sig https://review.openstack.org/637126 | 04:49 |
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| gmann | ttx: Padawan is little difficult term to understand :) But I agree with idea of 1:1. Replied on thread, i can volunteer on that if you want/have not started it. | 09:09 |
| * cmurphy is sad but agrees about padawan | 09:10 | |
| cmurphy | zaneb: I think we are indeed veering away from what the board requested but the target is shifting too | 09:15 |
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| ttx | cmurphy: don't be sad, it was a proverbial strawman. Easier to get people involved in the discussion once you start proposing something concrete :) | 09:27 |
| cmurphy | that's true | 09:27 |
| ttx | I'm fine with trying anything really -- the whole thing was triggered by Horizon's request to be added to the help-needed list, and me seeing how unsuccessful that effort was so far | 09:28 |
| ttx | so it was a good time to reflect | 09:28 |
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| ttx | My proposal was to turn it into something random users and contributors could leverage to get more involved. Stop trying to put the list in front of "corporations" but try to engage with users considering deeper contribution involvement | 09:32 |
| ttx | But we could also double-down on trying to put the list in front of "engineering managers", by tweaking its format so that it's more easily consumed by them | 09:33 |
| ttx | I've just grown skeptical of that approach, I guess. | 09:35 |
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| fungi | it seems like two entirely different things. one is the attempt to entice businesses who might pay people to contribute to openstack in some generally meaningful strategic manner, the other is the attempt to entice individuals to get more involved (and hope that they have the time or employment latitude to follow through) | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | the people doing the work seem best placed to know the right people within an organization to make the argument to about the importance of the work | 15:20 |
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| fungi | i agree that seems like it should be the case, but we've heard contributors say they have no ability to present business cases or influence what their chain of management allows them to work on | 15:25 |
| fungi | i suppose it depends on the organization and work environment | 15:26 |
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| jroll | probably the contributor as well - people gain influence as they grow in their career | 15:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: [RFC] Introduce the Padawan program https://review.openstack.org/636956 | 15:56 |
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| fungi | jroll is a wise, wise man | 18:05 |
| jroll | or at least wise enough to convince you of that :) | 18:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance-sigs master: Add Bare Metal SIG to governance https://review.openstack.org/634824 | 19:27 |
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| fungi | so, um, we *really* need some folks to, er, volunteer to be on the tc | 19:45 |
| * fungi looks to see who has said things in here lately | 19:45 | |
| fungi | adriant, jroll, cmorpheus and diablo_rojo_phon look uniquely qualified to press-ganged (back) into service | 19:47 |
| fungi | scrolling back further, clarkb and ildikov have said things recently as well | 19:48 |
| fungi | oh, dtroyer too | 19:48 |
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| ildikov | what did I do again? :) | 19:49 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | You talked ildikov ;) | 19:50 |
| ildikov | oh, so just the usual :D | 19:50 |
| fungi | we need to fill 7 seats and so far there are... (counting...) 0 candidates | 19:50 |
| * cmorpheus hoping zhipeng and ricolin nominate themselves again | 19:50 | |
| ildikov | cmorpheus: +1 | 19:50 |
| fungi | i didn't need as many fingers for that count as i expected | 19:51 |
| cmorpheus | maybe a reminder email would help? | 19:51 |
| fungi | you'd all be great candidates, but also might know people to prod to run | 19:51 |
| fungi | yeah, we'll do reminder e-mail too but maybe e-mail isn't reaching enough people | 19:52 |
| fungi | so trying to get the word out | 19:52 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | cmorpheus: yeah we normally send one 24-48 hours before the deadline. | 19:52 |
| smcginnis | Past elections, it's seemed like the majority of candidates would put their names in late in the nomination period. | 19:53 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | That's true, but there would also usually be a few before the end rush. | 19:54 |
| ildikov | well, it's not the very end rush yet :) | 19:55 |
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| fungi | also, generally announcements from election officials aren't nearly as persuasive in convincing folks to run as direct urging and encouragement from their peers, from what i've seen | 21:00 |
| fungi | some folks need the reassurance that there are people who think they'd be good representatives and would want to vote for them | 21:01 |
| fungi | running for a seat on the tc and not getting one probably isn't what they worry about so much as running for a seat on the tc and having nobody vote for them. it's one thing to know that you were in the running but this time there were a few people who got more votes; it's potentially crushing to run and find out nobody was willing to vote in your favor | 21:04 |
| fungi | so even knowing a few people think you've got what it takes can be enough to make it worthwhile | 21:05 |
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