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| fungi | oh, it's office hour if anyone wants to bring up something wit the tc | 01:03 |
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| gmann | o/ | 01:04 |
| ricolin | o/ | 01:15 |
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| prometheanfire | nope, just happy my flight just got confirmed :D | 01:19 |
| prometheanfire | thanks | 01:20 |
| zaneb | o/ | 01:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chandan Kumar (raukadah) proposed openstack/governance master: Add ansible-role-collect-logs project to tripleo https://review.openstack.org/647665 | 11:13 |
| asettle | Morning o/ | 11:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Describe the business value of basic RBAC https://review.openstack.org/645361 | 12:58 |
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| mnaser | bonjour o/ | 13:20 |
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| asettle | tc-members - just a reminder to fill out the topic suggestions for the upcoming PTG: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tc-train-ptg | 13:33 |
| asettle | We still need plenty of people to sign up to lead certain topics | 13:34 |
| asettle | And obviously more suggestions welcome. | 13:34 |
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| TheJulia | I seriously wonder if we should have a topic about community burnout | 13:42 |
| smcginnis | That might be interesting, especially in the context of how to get things done without key people needing to spend so much time on things that they get burned out. | 13:43 |
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| asettle | TheJulia, that's a great topic! Good suggestion. I'd be very interested (having burnt out after the docs mgiration and wormed my way back after a very boring year) | 13:44 |
| TheJulia | Mentally, I go back to the concept that things should be "easy", except we as a community don't really do that | 13:46 |
| asettle | True. "easy" isn't attractive. | 13:47 |
| asettle | ... that came out a bit weird, but I hope you got what I meant. | 13:47 |
| TheJulia | PTLs burn out, TC members burn out, how do we make it sustainable | 13:47 |
| asettle | TheJulia, do you want me to put it in the etherpad? Would you like to lead? | 13:48 |
| TheJulia | asettle: my brain went to "easy" is not "sexy" or "best to control $thing" | 13:48 |
| TheJulia | asettle: leaderless! it shoudld be leaderless! :) | 13:48 |
| asettle | \o/ | 13:49 |
| asettle | Viva la revolución | 13:50 |
| TheJulia | "The leader burned out, they are a broken human at the moment, how do we prevent it and how do we not do it to another human" | 13:52 |
| asettle | I'm sure we could find someone. I mean, mnaser surely has to be on the way to a probable break down. We could almost use him as a case study. | 13:53 |
| TheJulia | Oh, I'm already well on my way | 13:53 |
| asettle | Oh perfecto we could just use you. Me: A past burn out, she turned to alcohol and destruction, learn from her! Julia: Upcoming burnout, does not refer to a plane as anything other than "metal tube". Considering joining a band (does not sing) | 13:54 |
| asettle | (I dunno if you sing or not but sounds dramatic!) | 13:54 |
| TheJulia | Already consumes lots of alcohol, and has been having giant prints of photos made | 13:55 |
| lbragstad | ttx at some point we should figure out how we want to go about the goal selection retrospective and the popup teams discussion | 13:55 |
| TheJulia | oddly I've managed to tune that down quite a bit recently | 13:55 |
| asettle | TheJulia, eh you gotta have a thing. Makes ya whacky. | 13:55 |
| TheJulia | I'm really tempted to have another tiki photo printed out and just go stand on palm canyon with a price tag and see how long it takes for someone to buy it off me. | 13:56 |
| asettle | I'd do it. Fun experiment. We could document your time for the PTG session. | 13:58 |
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| ttx | lbragstad: yes! I'm traveling a bit until next Wednesday so maybe next week | 14:10 |
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| lbragstad | ttx ok - ping me whenever.. i just think it'd be nice to figure out 1.) if they need to be separate sessions 2.) if so, how the content should be different 3.) what the goals should be | 14:11 |
| TheJulia | asettle: smaller version and just sit on the floor iwth a sign saying "burned out openstacker" | 14:20 |
| * TheJulia needs to have several t-shirts printed soon... and the #1 appealing one seems to be "I build opensource agile waterfalls" | 14:21 | |
| zaneb | TheJulia: I'd wear one of those | 14:22 |
| asettle | TheJulia, cool. We can rock back and forth muttering commands under our breath in the vain hope someone pains for our psychotherapy | 14:23 |
| asettle | pains? pays* | 14:23 |
| fungi | goat farming and long-haul trucking are looking like more attractive options every day? | 14:25 |
| fungi | (you might be a long-time stacker if...) | 14:25 |
| * persia fondly remembers working with someone in another project whose dayjob was a feedstore: meant lots of time to do all the fun bits of open source without the annoyances involved in one's livliehood depending on decisions taken by the project | 14:27 | |
| TheJulia | fungi: I've had a Class B license before.... | 14:28 |
| fungi | i could see myself working at a seed-n-feed, sure | 14:31 |
| zaneb | this is worth a read: https://zwischenzugs.com/2019/03/25/aws-vs-k8s-is-the-new-windows-vs-linux/ | 14:49 |
| zaneb | although I think the title is wrong | 14:49 |
| zaneb | if AWS is Windows then k8s is *Java* - it's a play to deal with vendor lock-in by creating a completely new layer of abstraction | 14:50 |
| zaneb | and OpenStack is... FreeDOS? | 14:50 |
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| smcginnis | hah | 14:51 |
| fungi | or was, before it died a painful death years ago | 14:52 |
| * fungi remembers openstack... what an interesting project | 14:52 | |
| dims | LOL | 14:53 |
| smcginnis | "OpenStack is widely regarded as a failure" orly | 14:54 |
| * jroll adds "in the VC world" | 14:55 | |
| ricolin | LOL | 14:58 |
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| asettle | Ho lordy | 15:03 |
| zaneb | I still hold out hope that one day we'll be able to stop congratulating ourselves on our superior insider knowledge for long enough to listen to the folks who originally thought we were going to solve their problem but eventually concluded that we never would | 15:15 |
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| fungi | i'm more interested in the fact that people seem to think that we failed to solve their problems because of the complexity involved in doing so, but that kubernetes is going to do that even though that's not even its design goal | 15:26 |
| fungi | (and i do think we're still working on solving their problems even if they've given up on us finishing that) | 15:26 |
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| ricolin | IMO keep putting effort on build a great tunnel from users to developers (vice versa) will help with this kind of case. At least we can track tasks even that user happen to meet with wrong developer or in the wrong time. | 15:36 |
| dims | they wrote down the scope - https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/contributors/design-proposals/architecture/scope.md#technical-scope-details-and-rationale | 15:46 |
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| mnaser | tc-members: there has not been any reviews on kata/zuul in the document which we plan on 'cutting off' on march 31st. this is an important opportunity for us to participate in this process. | 15:51 |
| ttx | I'm being part of the staff involved in proposing Kata for confirmation so I'd rather not influence the TC view on it too much | 15:53 |
| mnaser | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-March/003938.html | 15:53 |
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| ttx | So I'd rather not be the first one to speak on this :) | 15:53 |
| mnaser | right, for context, afaik, kata/zuul will likely undergo voting process in the upcoming board meeting | 15:54 |
| fungi | similarly i'm part of the osf staff advocating for zuul confirmation, and would rather not bias the community's feedback | 15:59 |
| fungi | and yes, the board meeting is on april 8 so we'd like to be able to assemble the feedback into posts for the foundation ml with enough lead time for board members to see them and have them on hand when it comes time to deliberate | 16:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Add a link for keystone technical vision reflection https://review.openstack.org/648182 | 16:46 |
| lbragstad | cc cmurphy ^ | 16:46 |
| cmurphy | sweet | 16:48 |
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| jroll | nice, thanks lbragstad! | 16:51 |
| lbragstad | yessir | 16:51 |
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