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| fungi | tc-members: in the wake of the great opendev migration, we continue to have an "openstack" namespace on github with live copies of our official repositories, but also a bunch of "stale" repos for unofficial things we evicted. i get the impression the maintainers of some of those projects are worried about their users getting confused or not realizing those mirrors are no longer updating, so we probably | 13:35 |
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| fungi | need to think about how we want to deal with them | 13:35 |
| TheJulia | fungi: What do you see as our options? | 13:35 |
| fungi | the infra team has a script we can use to transfer them to other orgs if their maintainers want, so that github will set up appropriate redirects, but it's only possible to perform that operation while the repository still exists in its original location | 13:36 |
| fungi | i'm told github has an "archive" feature which will cause the repository to be hidden from the ui, but it can still be unarchived later so that we could transfer it once the maintainers request it | 13:37 |
| fungi | other alternatives could be to update the descriptions on those repositories but leave them there, follow some semblance of our repository retirement process, or simply delete them | 13:38 |
| fungi | but it sounds like archiving might be the most polite option for those projects? | 13:39 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it sounds like archiving is probably the way to handle those | 13:39 |
| * fungi doesn't rely on nor see value in github, and won't pretend to understand the nuances between these options | 13:39 | |
| fungi | dtroyer: asked in #openstack-infra a few minutes ago what we would do there, presumably prompted by a related thread i saw on the starlingx-discuss ml, though he just now indicated it's not especially urgent | 13:41 |
| fungi | so i don't want to rush the decision, but figure it should be on our minds | 13:41 |
| dtroyer | fwiw, archiving them is fine with me, doing it sooner will prompt folks to notice whatever may break rather than finding out in a week when they don't see updates... | 13:42 |
| fungi | on a related note, i think we're also going to want to find a team of folks who want to take over curating openstack's presence on github in the long term... improving descriptions, pinning repos, adding keyword metadata, et cetera, with the understanding that it's really more of a social media and marketing platform | 13:43 |
| fungi | and once we switch to mirroring on github via zuul's post pipeline rather than with gerrit's replication plugin, they can also be the ones who decide which subset of repos we should actually mirror, or whether we want it broken up into different github orgs (there's no technical need for the gh orgs to match the gerrit repository prefix at that point) | 13:49 |
| TheJulia | dtroyer raises a good point. Sooner in some respects is better because of exactly that. People are aware of churn/change right now. Details might not have been recorded in their brains, but if the github repos change then they will associate the events. The further away the less chnace of assosiation | 13:49 |
| fungi | makes sense to me | 13:49 |
| fungi | if there's some consensus around that, then when jroll's around maybe he'd be willing to follow up to whichever of the openstack-discuss ml threads is most appropriate indicating that's what we're going to do. i'm happy to try to help do the actual archiving there if that's what we decide, but also happy to let someone else have a go at it | 13:51 |
| TheJulia | hiding away details is likely not great as well :( | 13:51 |
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| scas | ++ deleting repos is pretty rude behavior | 14:29 |
| scas | it's not like we're back in the days of cvs | 14:30 |
| TheJulia | fungi: will an archive still be accessible to be cloned and whatnot? | 14:35 |
| fungi | that's a good question. as i said, i am unsure of the nuances there, not really being a github user myself | 14:35 |
| fungi | i will endeavor to rtfm | 14:36 |
| TheJulia | <3 | 14:36 |
| fungi | https://help.github.com/en/articles/archiving-a-github-repository is fairly light on details | 14:37 |
| TheJulia | :( | 14:37 |
| fungi | https://help.github.com/en/articles/archiving-repositories also says a bit and explains where to find the action in their webui | 14:37 |
| fungi | https://github.blog/2017-11-08-archiving-repositories/ says a bit more and has some examples | 14:38 |
| TheJulia | I was just going to say that looks promising | 14:38 |
| TheJulia | That is starting to seem semi-perfect | 14:39 |
| fungi | though in that example i think it's showing where someone has already done something similar to our retirement process (replacing all master branch content with a brief readme) | 14:39 |
| fungi | so the archiving process adds the "This repository has been archived by the owner. It is now read-only." admonition in a brown-on-yellow banner | 14:40 |
| fungi | i think in our case, that's basically all it will do | 14:41 |
| fungi | since we don't rely on pull requests or issues anyway | 14:41 |
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| mnaser | tc-members: of much higher priority is the goals, it's taken us quite sometime and we have 2 good ones (thanks to asettle and gmann) | 15:48 |
| mnaser | I would really appreciate getting them reviewed. | 15:48 |
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| smcginnis | Not sure if the details were communicated out broadly yet, but just received a meeting invite for the board meeting in Denver. | 18:59 |
| smcginnis | Hyatt Regency, Mineral Hall D-E, Level 3 | 18:59 |
| smcginnis | Board meeting starts at 9am. Joint leadership meeting starts at 1. | 19:00 |
| clarkb | On sunday | 19:00 |
| smcginnis | Yes, Sunday 9-17. | 19:00 |
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| dhellmann | thanks, smcginnis | 20:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/governance master: Add IPv6 support and testing goal for Train https://review.opendev.org/653545 | 20:28 |
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| Sundar | When does the tc meet on Sundar (Apr 28)? No info in the summit schedule on that. | 21:16 |
| Sundar | *Sunday | 21:16 |
| gmann | Sundar: TC will be attending the join leadership meeting on Apr 28th during 'Board Meeting' - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/28April2019BoardMeeting | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | Sundar : the TC is joining the Board and the leadership groups from the other OIPs on Sunday. There won't be a lot of opportunity for discussion of anything not already on that tight agenda. If you're looking for the TC meeting on its own, that will be Saturday at the end of the PTG | 21:20 |
| gmann | in PTG, we will have dedicated time for TC topics on Sat (4th) - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tc-train-ptg | 21:20 |
| Sundar | gmann, dhellmann: Thanks. Got it. Curious that the board meeting is usually not listed in the summit schedule, even for past summits. | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | all of the board meetings are listed on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation (I set a watch on that page to have the wiki tell me when they add a new meeting) | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | but it's not really part of the summit "event" so they don't put it on that schedule | 21:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Elaborate on the business value of Designate https://review.opendev.org/641790 | 23:24 |
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