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| mnaser | tc-members: fyi -- https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Lq2X__xxRhrAaWDeDmQ6jfhhXhWvxjYNY0XnJlXwBV8 -- happy to revise things. | 15:46 |
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| evrardjp | over 9 thousand! | 15:46 |
| fungi | dragon ball jokes never get old | 15:46 |
| TheJulia | mnaser: ironic’s slide is a run on sentence :( | 15:47 |
| TheJulia | 3 distinct things really | 15:48 |
| mnaser | TheJulia: wanna pm me (or post here) your email so I can invite to edit? | 15:49 |
| mnaser | happy to give edit access with anyone else as well. | 15:49 |
| TheJulia | Juliaashleykreger@gmail.com | 15:49 |
| * TheJulia switches to laptop | 15:49 | |
| fungi | a very polished looking deck | 15:50 |
| mnaser | TheJulia: done :) | 15:50 |
| lbragstad | mnaser ++ | 15:51 |
| TheJulia | mnaser: I think that makes more sense now for the ironic slide | 15:56 |
| mnaser | thank you :-) | 15:56 |
| fungi | should the ironic slide move to before the first neutron slide? so that the neutron slides are all grouped together? | 16:00 |
| mnaser | fungi: I thought about interleaving them so its not so much of neutron all following each other | 16:00 |
| gmann | lbragstad: in RBAC, you want to add the better 'default roles' also ? which is much helpful for user | 16:01 |
| lbragstad | sure - read-only roles are a thing everyone asks for | 16:01 |
| lbragstad | slide 15? | 16:01 |
| fungi | on slide 36, not all non-official repositories live under the x namespace, that one is the catch-all for any which didn't choose a namespace for their repositories | 16:02 |
| gmann | yeah | 16:02 |
| gmann | fungi: +1 | 16:03 |
| fungi | there are quite a few unofficial projects under other new namespaces | 16:03 |
| mnaser | ah yes | 16:03 |
| * mnaser is one of them | 16:03 | |
| mnaser | fungi: there, updated it and included some OIP and non-OIP projects to not leave any confusion | 16:05 |
| fungi | wfm, thanks for the clarification | 16:05 |
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| evrardjp | lgtm | 16:06 |
| evrardjp | wondering if we don't go too deep into some details, but it's fine for me | 16:06 |
| mnaser | evrardjp: are you thinking we're going to deep or not going deep enough? | 16:06 |
| evrardjp | too deep for board | 16:07 |
| evrardjp | but it's good to have that though, I like it the way it is | 16:07 |
| mnaser | evrardjp: any examples in specific? I'd happy to reword things | 16:07 |
| mnaser | we do have a whole hour :-) | 16:07 |
| evrardjp | :) | 16:07 |
| fungi | it's easy to have the detail in the slides but gloss over some for the sake of brevity | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | fungi: correct | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | that's what I think too. It is good to keep the slides as is for the reference | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | and I don't have a concrete proposition for changing those, so +1 from me | 16:09 |
| fungi | i would expect to save a bunch of time for q&a | 16:09 |
| mnaser | thats my plan | 16:09 |
| lbragstad | also - a brief description is probably easy for us to connect the lines | 16:09 |
| lbragstad | but we're also in the trenches | 16:09 |
| mnaser | yeah, I am going to slowly dig into more details and start from 0 as I go over this | 16:09 |
| lbragstad | the additional detail might help others who aren't as familiar connect the dots | 16:09 |
| evrardjp | lbragstad: can you clarify what you mean by this? | 16:10 |
| evrardjp | oh I think I got it | 16:10 |
| evrardjp | yeah | 16:10 |
| lbragstad | :) | 16:10 |
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| evrardjp | good changes on slide 15 | 16:14 |
| evrardjp | I think it's very clear on the benefits now | 16:15 |
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| mnaser | mugsie: I have provided access to you if you needed to make edis | 16:58 |
| mugsie | mnaser: thanks! | 16:59 |
| asettle | Ah so here's where we all are | 17:12 |
| asettle | WASSUP | 17:12 |
| fungi | did you find the meeting room? | 17:22 |
| asettle | ... I've been here since 9. | 17:24 |
| asettle | I figured out the wifi password after 2 hours :P | 17:24 |
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| TheJulia | Well, the air conditioning is effective | 17:43 |
| clarkb | this is to prepare us all for tomorrow's weather | 17:44 |
| TheJulia | :9 | 17:44 |
| TheJulia | err :( | 17:44 |
| TheJulia | I can has heated blanket? | 17:44 |
| smcginnis | It's gotten colder in here I think. | 17:46 |
| lbragstad | mmmm | 17:47 |
| * lbragstad feels at home | 17:47 | |
| asettle | LOL | 17:48 |
| mugsie | feels like Ireland | 17:48 |
| asettle | I recommend sitting between dhellmann and clarkb - toasty | 17:48 |
| mugsie | a lot of people left the room as well, that may be dropping the temp | 17:48 |
| cmurphy | it's freezing next door here too and it's a pretty full room | 17:52 |
| asettle | Well, that's a nice change, I guess? | 17:53 |
| lbragstad | oh - i forgot upstream institute was next door! | 17:53 |
| asettle | Ye! | 17:54 |
| fungi | i guess oui is sharing lunch with us? if so, awesome opportunity for newcomers to rub elbows with community leadership | 18:04 |
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| scas | no chance i could have made it, and i'm not sure about november | 18:16 |
| scas | i'm dealing with the fallout of identity theft | 18:18 |
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| fungi | oh, that's never fun. sorry to hear that, scas! | 18:41 |
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| scas | fungi: even worse is i know who did it | 18:57 |
| fungi | :( | 18:59 |
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| asettle | Okay it's FREEZING on this side of the room. | 19:42 |
| fungi | it is a smidge chilly over here, yes | 19:44 |
| asettle | Ridic | 19:45 |
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| persia | Just looked at the Help Most Wanted list again. The "business cases", as written, are of negative value for my personal ability to cause involvement. It appears the Value was written in terms of value to OpenStack, rather than in terms of value *to the sponsor*. As such, as a sponsor, it is harder to justify involvement than if there is no case (where an arbitrary advocate to a sponsor can make a case specific to individual sponsors). | 20:24 |
| * persia feels that everything on the list requires someone to sign up "now and forever": none of them are well-served by someone spending six months on it, etc. | 20:30 | |
| fungi | thanks, good feedback! | 20:37 |
| ricolin | JFYI https://docs.openstack.org/contributors/organizations/index.html | 20:37 |
| asettle | AH | 20:38 |
| asettle | Thank you | 20:38 |
| fungi | that also needs some love, but it's a start | 20:38 |
| fungi | still has a fair amount of placeholder content in it | 20:38 |
| asettle | Does this live in governance? | 20:38 |
| persia | At least it exists. Took from Atlanta to Vancouver to get it posted. | 20:38 |
| fungi | asettle: no, it's part of the contributor guide | 20:38 |
| asettle | I can't read, thanks. | 20:38 |
| persia | asettle: It lives in contributing guide. | 20:38 |
| asettle | Say it one more time for the people in the back \o/ hooollaaa | 20:39 |
| smcginnis | Add it to the help most needed list. :) | 20:39 |
| ricolin | fungi, give it your love! | 20:39 |
| cmurphy | https://opendev.org/openstack/contributor-guide/src/branch/master/doc/source/organizations/index.rst | 20:39 |
| ricolin | smcginnis, +1 | 20:39 |
| asettle | Gracias cmurph | 20:39 |
| asettle | (which I said in my head like smurf) | 20:39 |
| cmurphy | i guess i should dye my hair blue | 20:40 |
| asettle | omg | 20:40 |
| asettle | do it | 20:40 |
| asettle | You're purple, so close | 20:40 |
| cmurphy | :D | 20:40 |
| fungi | persia: as far as business case framing, i think the hope was that we were explaining how preventing openstack from failing in some particular area allows the potential contributing organizations to continue or increase their customer happiness or revenue or whatever | 20:40 |
| fungi | odds are we're still missing the right wording | 20:41 |
| persia | fungi: My experience with causing folk to contribute to open source (or better, to assign staff to be involved in communities long-term) is that I need to focus on how paying for someone to work on the code (whether upstream or hybrid upstream/downstream, or whatever) benefits them directly. | 20:41 |
| fungi | yep, that's what we want to be able to explain | 20:42 |
| persia | It may seem counterintuitive, but many decision makers seem to have a sense of disbelief when presented with statements like "assign someone to work on glance 10 hours a week or pick a different technology for your cloud, because you otherwise have an unsustainable existential business risk". | 20:42 |
| fungi | that was the reason we tried to overhaul the entries there | 20:42 |
| persia | Yep. I remember the discussion about creating business cases, and was all in favour of that, and failed to review, hence my late input. Apologies for that. | 20:43 |
| fungi | no need to apologize. these are living documents so feedback now is still very much appreciated | 20:43 |
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| clarkb | TheJulia: allison says that full report for 2019 survey should be availably at the shanghai summit | 21:28 |
| clarkb | "we will likely publish then" she says | 21:29 |
| clarkb | so I guess not 100% but that seems to be the goal | 21:29 |
| TheJulia | clarkb: Interesting! | 21:30 |
| TheJulia | clarkb: thanks | 21:30 |
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| fungi | yeah, august to august according to aprice | 21:33 |
| aprice | yeah, it will likely be available before the Shanghai summit, but it's usually a nice forcing function | 21:38 |
| aprice | we will also provide the project specific answers in late August / early September once the survey goes. All responses will be anonymized, but hopefully helpful. | 21:39 |
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| ricolin | correction: Shanghai's population is 26 millions | 21:52 |
| asettle | Yikes | 22:00 |
| asettle | That's more than the whole population of Australia | 22:00 |
| evrardjp | and Belgium | 22:01 |
| mugsie | its like 5 times ireland | 22:01 |
| asettle | Australia > Belgium / Ireland (land mass, wise) | 22:01 |
| asettle | Just in case anyone forgot | 22:01 |
| asettle | :P | 22:01 |
| asettle | I'm not sure it's mentioned enough. | 22:02 |
| evrardjp | asettle: I think it's like saying USA is bigger than luxemburg | 22:02 |
| clarkb | but it is like canada. 99% of the population lives within a tiny area | 22:02 |
| asettle | HAHAH evrardjp yeah but it is. FACT | 22:02 |
| asettle | clarkb, yeah I was just looking at a map of Canada and it's pretty amazing | 22:02 |
| evrardjp | or is it? | 22:03 |
| asettle | A fact or amaszing? | 22:03 |
| smcginnis | An amazing fact. | 22:03 |
| asettle | ITts a super amazing fact, smcginnis | 22:03 |
| asettle | ... It's* | 22:03 |
| evrardjp | It's cool there are these kind of programs in India. If only Belgium would do the same for open infra | 22:04 |
| asettle | Yeah but India > Belgium | 22:04 |
| asettle | :p | 22:04 |
| evrardjp | ofc | 22:04 |
| asettle | On a serious note, do they have any in Belgium? | 22:05 |
| asettle | Could you org? | 22:05 |
| ricolin | I think we do have some openstackers live in Belgium | 22:05 |
| evrardjp | ricolin: do we? :p | 22:05 |
| * asettle wiggles eyebrows | 22:06 | |
| cmurphy | lol | 22:06 |
| asettle | Okay evrardjp I see a thing for you to do | 22:06 |
| evrardjp | yeah I took that as action item in fact | 22:06 |
| asettle | Thanks for volunteering mate | 22:06 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp is going to be busy after the Summit. | 22:06 |
| * ricolin evrardjp do it | 22:06 | |
| asettle | Well, if he stopped coming up with such excellent and viable solutions, he wouldn't have this problem ;) | 22:06 |
| evrardjp | This is Belgian we are talking about ... it will take probably 4 years in the making. | 22:06 |
| asettle | 4 years to make it the BEST DAY EVER \o/ | 22:07 |
| evrardjp | haha | 22:07 |
| smcginnis | We can all come over to help. You can support us with Belgian beer. | 22:07 |
| gmann | evrardjp: start is imp, do not think about finish time | 22:07 |
| asettle | ... excellent idea | 22:07 |
| ricolin | evrardjp, I believe you have way more then 4 years, so it's all set! | 22:07 |
| clarkb | but do it when it isn't snowy | 22:07 |
| asettle | ^^ what clarkb said | 22:07 |
| clarkb | every time I take a trip now it snows | 22:07 |
| smcginnis | ++^^ | 22:08 |
| asettle | ... omfg so it's you | 22:08 |
| evrardjp | clarkb: I thought of leveraging the fosdem to be honest, which means snow | 22:08 |
| asettle | You | 22:08 |
| asettle | YOU | 22:08 |
| evrardjp | but we are losing the topic here :p | 22:08 |
| asettle | Are we though | 22:08 |
| asettle | I feel like we're on it | 22:08 |
| asettle | You're organising Belgium Open Infra day and supporting us all with beer | 22:08 |
| clarkb | in july not february | 22:08 |
| asettle | YEs, thank you. Good clarification. | 22:09 |
| spotz | evrardjp: Hey is that Luxembourg one aimed at me?:) | 22:09 |
| evrardjp | spotz: :) | 22:09 |
| evrardjp | they are just our friendly neighbours | 22:09 |
| asettle | With cheaper alcohol. | 22:09 |
| spotz | 5 minutes away for lunch:) | 22:09 |
| ricolin | evrardjp, A new brand "opendev" beer think about that! | 22:09 |
| asettle | ricolin, you brewin'? | 22:09 |
| fungi | openbeer | 22:09 |
| asettle | Could we do a wine option too? | 22:10 |
| ricolin | asettle, Nope, I thought it's part of evrardjp's action here | 22:10 |
| asettle | Just being you know... drink diverse | 22:10 |
| asettle | ricolin, sorry good point. | 22:10 |
| spotz | ricolin: evrardjp just likes beer:) | 22:10 |
| clarkb | asettle: I'm not sure you want to drink belgian wine | 22:10 |
| asettle | clarkb, it wasn't fabulous, I'll be honest. But I really don't like beer. I didn't mind the Peach Beer? But it's so filling! | 22:10 |
| ricolin | asettle, :) | 22:10 |
| evrardjp | I am not sure I want either clarkb | 22:10 |
| smcginnis | asettle is in charge of the beverage diversity wg. | 22:11 |
| asettle | evrardjp, I think you've lose control of what you want | 22:11 |
| asettle | smcginnis, hey woah | 22:11 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: +1 | 22:11 |
| asettle | What happened here | 22:11 |
| evrardjp | I don't know | 22:11 |
| smcginnis | Long day. :) | 22:11 |
| spotz | You got elected to find us beverages I think | 22:11 |
| asettle | Can I have a budget for beverage distribution? | 22:11 |
| clarkb | I wa sgiven some random liquor by belgian family after fosdem | 22:12 |
| smcginnis | This is open source. No budget, but you still need to deliver. | 22:12 |
| clarkb | we could do a liquor tasting the more esoteric the better | 22:12 |
| evrardjp | clarkb: what was it? | 22:12 |
| asettle | smcginnis, woah too close to home | 22:12 |
| clarkb | evrardjp: uh I have to figure it out again one sec | 22:12 |
| evrardjp | juniper-based drink? | 22:12 |
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| asettle | So we definitely stopped clapping at some point | 22:13 |
| clarkb | evrardjp: it had leaves of some plant or may be it was flowers in the bottle | 22:14 |
| clarkb | and it had a deer head on the label but wasn't jager | 22:14 |
| spotz | clarkb: google says Jager | 22:15 |
| clarkb | but it wasn't :P | 22:15 |
| asettle | LOL | 22:15 |
| spotz | You saying the google lied?:) | 22:15 |
| clarkb | genepi | 22:15 |
| clarkb | found it | 22:15 |
| scas | the google never lies. def jager. | 22:15 |
| spotz | That's not a deer....:) | 22:16 |
| spotz | I think we're losing it | 22:16 |
| fungi | especially if we're legitimately considering jager shots now | 22:17 |
| cmurphy | such serious tc conversation | 22:17 |
| * asettle makes side eyes at fungi | 22:17 | |
| asettle | Yes we are | 22:17 |
| asettle | cmurphy, hey woah we're a serious organisation, as you know | 22:17 |
| spotz | I'm just a guest:) | 22:17 |
| evrardjp | clarkb: genepi is nice | 22:17 |
| evrardjp | it's a french drink though | 22:17 |
| asettle | Well that's outrageous. | 22:18 |
| evrardjp | cmurphy: sorry that kinda side tracked | 22:18 |
| clarkb | evrardjp: half of belgium is french, close enough right? | 22:18 |
| cmurphy | evrardjp: i am outraged | 22:18 |
| ttx | some wold argue the French makes the best drinks | 22:18 |
| cmurphy | ttx: and you're not biased at all | 22:19 |
| asettle | I'd say he's fairly neutral | 22:19 |
| ttx | asettle: thank you | 22:19 |
| evrardjp | :p | 22:19 |
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| spotz | Isn't that Switzerland? | 22:19 |
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| fungi | my impression of paris is that all the french beer was belgian | 22:24 |
| evrardjp | not sure if itmeans what I think this means | 22:25 |
| fungi | seemed like every parisian restaurant with some beer available didn't have actual french beers, only belgian and sometimes some german | 22:30 |
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| ttx | I'll definitely yield to Belgium when it comes to beer, although the artisan brewery scene is slowly getting better in France | 22:36 |
| ttx | I thought we were talking about best drinks though | 22:36 |
| asettle | Which is *obviously* Australian red wine. | 22:36 |
| asettle | Thanks 4 playin' tho | 22:36 |
| ttx | which is obviously wine I agree | 22:37 |
| * asettle nods | 22:37 | |
| ttx | Not sure what Australia and wine are doing in that same sentence though | 22:37 |
| asettle | WOAH | 22:37 |
| asettle | Playing. With. Fire. | 22:37 |
| ttx | been a long day, I'm ready for games | 22:38 |
| asettle | >.> I see. | 22:38 |
| asettle | clarkb, dhellmann - BEFORE FIVE | 22:39 |
| clarkb | amazing | 22:39 |
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