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| ttx | dhellmann: probably all repos. They use it more as a data corpus on code reviews than as a study of openstack | 07:14 |
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| evrardjp | fungi: could you have a look at https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657154 ? | 09:48 |
| fungi | evrardjp: sorry, still on vacation but are you asking about the syntax error in the zuul comments? it's saying that either openstack/pyeclib is misnamed or is waiting on a rename. right now we only have a x/pyeclib repository | 11:54 |
| evrardjp | fungi: oh sorry, go on with vacation-ing then :) | 11:56 |
| evrardjp | fungi: I think the process for renaming needs clarification (for example importing new repos require said repos to not have zuul files in it, wondering if that applies here), and I thought you would be well placed to handle this. | 11:57 |
| evrardjp | but there is nothign urgent there afaik | 11:57 |
| fungi | is it an import of a new repo or are they talking about the existing x/pyeclib repo? | 11:58 |
| evrardjp | existing | 11:58 |
| fungi | that's what i thought | 11:59 |
| evrardjp | as said above, I think the rename process could be improved, I can't really help right there. | 11:59 |
| evrardjp | but as said above too, happy vacation-ing, let's resume this later :) | 12:00 |
| fungi | you can't exercise a change to zuul configuration in openstack/project-config (such as a rename) in a check job because that's a trusted config repo | 12:00 |
| evrardjp | yes, so does the repo being the target of a rename should remove all the possible jobs contained in it, or defined in the project-config? | 12:01 |
| evrardjp | or am I completely confused here? | 12:02 |
| fungi | no, just need to wait for the next rename maintenance window before we'll be able to actually rename it to openstack/pyeclib because that also requires simultaneous changes in gerrit, gitea, possibly storyboard, et cetera | 12:02 |
| evrardjp | I understand now. | 12:03 |
| fungi | project renames (including moving a repository between namespaces) requires downtime for our systems | 12:03 |
| evrardjp | when this window will happen, the code will be ready for move, the governance change will pass then. | 12:03 |
| evrardjp | makes sense. | 12:05 |
| fungi | yes, unless they want to add it in governance as x/pyeclib and then update it in governance after the rename | 12:05 |
| evrardjp | It was the case before, moving to opendev and gitea didn't magically change a whole stack :) | 12:05 |
| evrardjp | fungi: got it | 12:06 |
| evrardjp | thanks for the clarification! | 12:06 |
| fungi | i figured the contention on that was going to be around the fact that liberasurecode is in c and pyeclib links it (so is not "pure" python) | 12:07 |
| evrardjp | oh | 12:08 |
| evrardjp | I hope the language will not be a reason for contention. But that's probably a longer conversation... | 12:09 |
| fungi | https://opendev.org/x/liberasurecode/src/branch/master/src | 12:09 |
| fungi | i personally like c, but i think it'll likely be the first official openstack component in c, so no idea if that means we need new additions to the supported runtimes and pti for c-based projects | 12:10 |
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| scas | the biggest point of contention someone will have is the need to bake in the build toolchain. let us not forget about the venerable phk's musing on the notion: https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2349257 | 12:59 |
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| scas | for airgapped scenarios, the toolchain is usually stripped out | 12:59 |
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| scas | one of the more choice nuggets for a reminder about open source: the software in the FreeBSD ports collection contains at least 1,342 copied and pasted cryptographic algorithms | 13:06 |
| scas | I consider both projects, this one and FreeBSD, to be similar in ideals. both serve similar niches, just in different capacities | 13:06 |
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| scas | I'm also reminded of the now-dead effort to bring FreeBSD support to OpenStack. both camps don't see eye to eye, though both would benefit from mutual cross-pollenation. OpenStack is a bazaar-developed-like-a-cathedral, and FreeBSD development is very cathedral-like beyond ports | 13:11 |
| scas | but I digress | 13:11 |
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| fungi | yeah, i was hopeful for better *bsd penetration in our ecosystem | 13:35 |
| fungi | similarly disappointed that debian is dropping its kfreebsd kernel architecture officially and moving it to ports for buster | 13:36 |
| fungi | technically the oracle attempts to support solaris/illumos/whatever in openstack would have been another *bsd | 13:37 |
| fungi | albeit a systemvish bsd | 13:37 |
| fungi | (that was meant to read systemv-ish, not a reference to our lost compatriot vish) | 13:38 |
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| scas | with my weathered eye, I see why there was less enthusiasm. no docker support, so who the hell wants to try to run kubernetes on /that/? | 13:56 |
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| scas | the BSD answer is to use jails, but nobody likes jails outside of BSD fans | 13:57 |
| scas | not to mention, the name isn't catchy and there's no fun logo | 13:57 |
| scas | of course kids are going to thumb their noses at it | 13:58 |
| * scas drinks some water with his salt | 13:58 | |
| scas | also, we don't need the entire golang distribution to be installed for what amounts to some shell scripts and some judicious C /oldman | 14:00 |
| scas | I'd suggest that Kata be more of a re-entry point to BSD to see if perhaps OpenStack itself could have more of a go. get an actual container runtime and see if it picks up would be my off-the-napkin idea | 14:02 |
| scas | the lack of a container runtime put BSD back in the playing field when it had been working on a revival in the server area. it's now more of an embedded niche, with some facets of other things it can do | 14:04 |
| scas | particularly FreeBSD with its now-dead Docker support | 14:04 |
| scas | y'all know dtrace would be pretty hot to have in the toolbelt :D | 14:07 |
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| fungi | i'd love to have openbsd routers with pf and relayd in an openstack deployment, but chances of that ever coming to pass are slim | 14:11 |
| fungi | i know of no better platform for integrated stateful filtering, layer-7 load balancing and redundant ipsec | 14:12 |
| scas | of course. that would be madness. | 14:16 |
| scas | it would almost be like people working together, but we all know it'd wind up being like one person | 14:17 |
| scas | that said, a startup in the right nexus could be dangerous. | 14:19 |
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