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| evrardjp | o/ | 08:55 |
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| ricolin | o/ | 08:56 |
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| asettle | o/ | 10:01 |
| asettle | ricolin - good thing I caught you | 10:01 |
| asettle | I have a couple of action items with you regarding the SIG governance stuff | 10:02 |
| asettle | I hope you're still around :D | 10:02 |
| asettle | If not, consider this a ping tomorrow | 10:02 |
| ricolin | asettle, you caught me:) | 10:27 |
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| asettle | ricolin, huzzah! | 10:43 |
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| cdent | tc-members I miss my huawei colleagues. fix it please and thank you | 10:54 |
| asettle | cdent, but but | 10:55 |
| asettle | How | 10:55 |
| cdent | ikr | 10:55 |
| asettle | :( | 11:01 |
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| mnaser | has it confirmed to be an issue? I haven't caught up with my email personally. | 12:56 |
| smcginnis | mnaser: We (the US based team) have been told to stand down until there is confirmation that it is allowed to participate upstream. | 13:03 |
| mnaser | smcginnis: bummer. let's hope things work out. | 13:03 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 13:03 |
| mnaser | I know ZTE was a in a similar position not long ago | 13:03 |
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| jroll | smcginnis: thanks for the clarity. :( | 13:12 |
| jroll | sad! :P | 13:12 |
| smcginnis | Such an odd situation to be in. | 13:13 |
| jroll | f'real | 13:13 |
| asettle | smcginnis, so, can anyone who is working for Huawei work at all? | 13:20 |
| smcginnis | asettle: We're trying to get clarification on that right now. | 13:20 |
| asettle | Wow :( that's so rough | 13:20 |
| asettle | So literally no idea | 13:20 |
| asettle | So you're um... coasting | 13:20 |
| smcginnis | What adds to the confusion is the US folks technically work for Futurewei, which is not on the US Dept of Commerce Entity List. | 13:20 |
| smcginnis | Surprisingly busy doing nothing. :) | 13:21 |
| asettle | Wait wait... so US folks work for ... okay .... right | 13:21 |
| asettle | No wonder there's so much confusion | 13:21 |
| mnaser | yeah, hopefully the clarification of Futurewei != Huawei fixes things. | 13:24 |
| jroll | or the govt realizes they also need to deal with subsidiaries >.> | 13:25 |
| asettle | jroll, yeahhhhhhhhhh o.0 | 13:25 |
| mnaser | I think it all depends if Futurewei is the same company that sells telco equipment. | 13:26 |
| mnaser | if it is, poop. | 13:26 |
| mnaser | anyways, being in china at the moment, the contributor experience is awful. | 13:26 |
| mnaser | ~250-300ms rtt to Gerrit means it sooooooo slow to deal with | 13:27 |
| fungi | via webui? pushes? api/gertty? | 13:28 |
| mnaser | I actually tried to look into Gertty because of how 'choppy' the web UI becomes | 13:28 |
| mnaser | unfortunately, I don't think that is something that's easily solvable | 13:29 |
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| fungi | but yeah, short of not-too-distant-future gerrit with active/active replicated clusters so that we can stick one on that end of the world, i expect that's fairly intractable | 13:29 |
| mnaser | opendev.org (being hosted @ sjc1) gets around a consistent 170ms ping | 13:29 |
| fungi | speed of light and all that | 13:29 |
| mnaser | so maybe north east (east NA + EU coverage) and south west (west NA + APAC coverage) might seem.. reasonable | 13:30 |
| fungi | i wonder if gitea rtt is worse from emea than gerrit, or if it's a matter of more direct routes | 13:30 |
| mnaser | heck, if we can get an ICP license somehow (I'm sure the Chinese contributor base could help), we can host it in China | 13:30 |
| * mnaser has a little OpenStack cloud humming along there but needs to comply with regulations to host things | 13:31 | |
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| TheJulia | good morning | 14:44 |
| clarkb | fungi: I expect you will want active active gerrits to inhabit the same "rack" | 14:48 |
| clarkb | otherwise every interaction will also incur the rtt between the gerrits | 14:49 |
| clarkb | then every user has the 200ms rtt+ problem | 14:49 |
| fungi | mmm, yeah, i have no idea whether it needs locking semaphores around updates or works via eventual consistency between cluster members | 14:52 |
| clarkb | my understanding was if you want thr eventual consistency you do active standby (which doesnt solve our problem) anf that active active is far more synchronous | 14:52 |
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| clarkb | fungi: mnaser https://gitenterprise.me/category/multi-master/ there is work in progress to make what you describe feasible but doesn't seem to be there yet | 15:02 |
| fungi | clarkb: completely insane idea, we *could* do a follow-the-sun rotation between apac, emea and americas locations in a 3-way cluster ;) | 15:03 |
| fungi | you get fast connectivity in the middle of your day local time, but slow at night | 15:03 |
| fungi | active/passive/passive | 15:04 |
| clarkb | apparently also relies on https and doesn't support ssh which would be a major regression imo | 15:04 |
| fungi | brief pause three times a day for quiescence | 15:04 |
| fungi | yeah, i'm not super hopeful | 15:04 |
| clarkb | (because ssh is way simpler for users and easier to secure) | 15:05 |
| mnaser | fungi: that is a very interesting approach heh | 15:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alex Schultz proposed openstack/governance master: Retire ansible-role-k8s-* repos https://review.opendev.org/660448 | 16:24 |
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| mnaser | I wonder how a patch complaining about behavior gathers so much responses so quickly | 16:45 |
| mnaser | s/patch/post/ | 16:45 |
| mnaser | yet we struggle to get responses from the community about important topics in general | 16:45 |
| mugsie | it is inconseqential in the grand scheme of things, but a pain point for a lot people | 16:46 |
| mugsie | so nothing is really risked by throwing a response up, and it releaves some of the stress for the day? | 16:46 |
| mugsie | where as a more existential issue, people feel they need to spend time looking at it, and it gets put to the back burner | 16:47 |
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