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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/governance master: Update the 'stable:follows-policy' tag doc for re-obtaining process https://review.opendev.org/655984 | 04:33 |
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| gmann | asettle: evrardjp zaneb ^^ please check if updated content is clear now and make sense. | 04:34 |
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| asettle | gmann, thank you :) | 09:00 |
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| asettle | O/ | 10:43 |
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| fungi | looks like it's office hour once more | 15:00 |
| jroll | 'tis \o | 15:00 |
| fungi | also time for the security sig meeting in #openstack-meeting once nova wraps up theirs | 15:00 |
| fungi | so i'll be in and out | 15:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 15:01 |
| zaneb | o/ | 15:03 |
| ttx | yeah! | 15:03 |
| ttx | Wanted to raise attention to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006964.html ICYMI | 15:04 |
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| ttx | Basically if you have strong opinions on the way deployment tools should be better represented, please chime in | 15:04 |
| mnaser | o/ | 15:11 |
| asettle | o/ | 15:12 |
| ttx | mnaser in particular, since you ran that session ^ | 15:12 |
| mnaser | ttx: it's interesting something i have been thinking in particular is having different levels of supported operating systems | 15:14 |
| mnaser | like experimental $foo support, production-ready $bar support | 15:14 |
| mnaser | or even for specific services deployed by openstack | 15:14 |
| ttx | One question I guess is whether we'd want those things in openstack/governance or osf/openstack-map. I'd say the latter as those are more like marketing descriptions, but if you want that controlled by the TC I'm happy to do that in governance too | 15:15 |
| ttx | mnaser: that might be a bit beyond what we can express with those labels. At one point we need to point to further doc | 15:16 |
| mnaser | ttx: yeah i agree, it was jsut soemthing that kinda came to mind | 15:16 |
| ttx | I guess we could express that as a table if we expect that to really be critical | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:17 |
| ttx | mnaser: what is your preference in terms of repo to host that (above question) ? | 15:17 |
| mnaser | who has merge rights to osf/openstack-map ? | 15:18 |
| mnaser | i could answer that question myself but.. yeah :) | 15:18 |
| ttx | osf staff | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | asettle : https://review.openstack.org/664846 can be merged | 15:18 |
| asettle | gracias | 15:18 |
| fungi | ttx: why not put the deployment project metadata inside their respective (primary?) repositories? similar to the driver support matrix effort? | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | it looks like there are a few others that meet the formal criteria, too. I don't know if we're holding those for any particular reason | 15:19 |
| fungi | that at least puts documenting the state of their featuresets in the hands of those project teams | 15:20 |
| ttx | fungi: hmm, that could work too | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | it can still be their responsibility, even if the content lives in another repo | 15:20 |
| mnaser | dhellmann: those are much more major changes that i asked more folks to review at the time (but i see the nodejs pti might be missed). | 15:20 |
| ttx | will make collecting all the data necessary to build the pages slightly more complex, but not really | 15:20 |
| mnaser | the help needed list stuff is all in limbo because patches cant land as they're in a series and i'm holding off on the progress on the goals stuff. | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | mnaser : yeah, I thought that might be the case | 15:21 |
| ttx | fungi: the marketing descriptions live in osf/openstack-map for example, and are owned by the teams | 15:21 |
| fungi | the driver marketplace effort basically showed that if teams are expected to document things in some other location they don't control, they tend not to keep it updated as regularly | 15:21 |
| mnaser | so some can land but the 'item under them' isn't approved and pending the work we talked about | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | ttx: would make triggering rebuild of the site a bit more complex, because you would have to do it when patches land in those other repos (or periodically, I guess) | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | mnaser : what do we need to do to unblock the help/goals stuff? | 15:21 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | ttx: do the simplest thing you can, and encourage teams to contribute to the community site | 15:22 |
| mnaser | so https://review.opendev.org/#/c/637025/5 has been sitting waiting for asettle and evrardjp -- as that whole effort is being rebuilt | 15:22 |
| ttx | I mean, the difficult part will be to collect the initial data really | 15:22 |
| mnaser | so all those changes for goals stuff is in a bit of limbo, because it's pending the changes | 15:22 |
| * mnaser trying hard to keep up with the many conversations | 15:23 | |
| dhellmann | mnaser : could we not just move the existing help most wanted items as they are into the new tree structure? | 15:23 |
| * ttx shuts up | 15:23 | |
| mnaser | well, to put this conversation quickly, i'm waiting on the changes done so we can actually do that | 15:24 |
| mnaser | i cant make people do things :) so we're blocked on all those goal related patches till it happens | 15:24 |
| ttx | (I'll push it to osf/openstack-map and if we decide it's better to decentralize the marketing information for each project, we'll do that from there) | 15:24 |
| mnaser | and i think that one starts here -- https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657447/ | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | I guess I don't understand what has to change about the old content? | 15:25 |
| mnaser | perhaps asettle can chime in about 'reviewing' things there | 15:25 |
| jroll | in either case you have to rebase something, the help wanted text updates are ostensibly done, let's get those in and zaneb/asettle can rebase the conversion | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | we tell teams not to be paralyzed by waiting for perfection, I think we should make sure we're also not doing that | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | maybe we should just put the new structure in place, retain the old content in that structure, and leave the other updates for when folks have time | 15:27 |
| mnaser | tbh, if it was up to me, i'd land those changes (because lbragstad worked really hard on them) and then they can be rewritten and updated then. | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | I have a little time today and could work on that as a follow-up to zaneb's patch https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657447/ | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | or that | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | let's just move on something | 15:27 |
| mnaser | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/637025/5 | 15:27 |
| mnaser | this one dfoesn't have enough votes | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | tc-members: please vote on ^ so we can unblock ourselves | 15:28 |
| ttx | woohoo, that one I already voted on | 15:29 |
| mnaser | and we also have this where we could land it but there's some disagreements about it. https://review.opendev.org/#/c/643364/ | 15:29 |
| mnaser | i'm not sure if that one is really relevant as much with the changes we proposed.. | 15:29 |
| jroll | yeah, that drops with the new model | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | I can't tell what's blocking https://review.opendev.org/#/c/645361/4 from merging | 15:30 |
| asettle | dhellmann, okay | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | is that stacked on the other one? | 15:30 |
| mnaser | dhellmann: the parent patch | 15:30 |
| jroll | dhellmann: yes | 15:30 |
| mnaser | yes, its a stack | 15:30 |
| asettle | dhellmann, I have voted? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/637025/5 | 15:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Updating the PDF goal for Train https://review.opendev.org/664846 | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | asettle : thank you | 15:30 |
| asettle | No like, I had previously voted. This isn't blocked on me. | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | asettle : i wasn't saying it was? "tc-members" | 15:31 |
| asettle | oh gosh sorry | 15:31 |
| fungi | hrm, 637025 got rebased since the last time i reviewed it. will take time to wade through the interdiff | 15:31 |
| asettle | I can't read | 15:31 |
| mnaser | evrardjp: do we abandon https://review.opendev.org/#/c/643364/ at this point? | 15:32 |
| evrardjp | yup | 15:33 |
| jroll | yes, 643364 should be abandoned, as the new structure proposes no limits | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | it's done | 15:34 |
| mnaser | and for https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657141/ -- i wanted to wait and give more time for other tc members to look at because it's a pretty big change, but its' been around enough nowe | 15:34 |
| mnaser | ttx: not that i want to sign you up for more work but | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | mnaser: on that one there is no real issue I think | 15:36 |
| mnaser | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/639376/ really feels pop-up-team-y | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | it's just change of ownership which everyone agrees | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | mnaser: I doubt it can be done with popup teams. | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | This is why I thought it was a great thing to be blessed by community goals :) | 15:37 |
| ttx | mnaser: it does affect most teams, so goals make it easier? | 15:37 |
| mnaser | it sounds like a group of people who want to implement a few things isnide openstackclient afaik | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657141/2 might need to be rebased because it's based on an old version of another patch | 15:37 |
| mnaser | or at least in the proposed implementation | 15:37 |
| ttx | mnaser: oh right | 15:37 |
| evrardjp | ttx: we discussed this, and afaik ppl rejected it as a goal because it didn't apply | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | mnaser : under the house rules, we can rebase 657141 and then you can approve it without waiting again. I'd be happy to rebase it if you like. | 15:38 |
| mnaser | zaneb, evrardjp: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/653643/ can you drop your -1s now? the content of the repos is gone now | 15:39 |
| mnaser | dhellmann: checking | 15:39 |
| mnaser | dhellmann: ah yes, that was a parent change | 15:40 |
| mnaser | hmm gerrit doesn't let you rebase off master boo | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | I rebased locally, but it pulled in the old bad patch so I think we need a new branch and a cherry-pick | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | I can fix that, give me a sec | 15:41 |
| mnaser | dhellmann: ok thanks, i noticed same, ill let you do it if you're that far | 15:42 |
| fungi | git reset --hard origin/master; git review -x changenum | 15:42 |
| zaneb | mnaser: done | 15:43 |
| mnaser | thanks zaneb | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | oh, the parent didn't merge so we have to rebase both anyway | 15:44 |
| ttx | mnaser: I think we can approve https://review.opendev.org/#/c/643603/ ? | 15:44 |
| mnaser | ttx: already done :) | 15:44 |
| fungi | alternatively if you `git rebase -i origin/master` you can just delete the problem change out of the apply series you're shown | 15:44 |
| ttx | ah jines | 15:44 |
| ttx | jinxed | 15:44 |
| mnaser | dhellmann: if you'll rebase locally, i guess it'd be good to reverse the order so we can land that patch | 15:44 |
| fungi | or do the branch reset and then a series of review -x commands to stack the latest states of those changes in the order you want them applied | 15:45 |
| ttx | 3 more votes on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/656686/ ? | 15:45 |
| ttx | Retire xstatic-vis and xstatic-angular-ui-router projects | 15:45 |
| mnaser | even then it would be too early but yeah :) | 15:45 |
| mnaser | ..i think? | 15:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: Retire docs-specs https://review.opendev.org/657140 | 15:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: Initiate process of migrating Documentation project to a SIG https://review.opendev.org/657141 | 15:45 |
| ttx | mnaser: oh right | 15:45 |
| ttx | got carried away | 15:46 |
| mnaser | can only land in 2 more days | 15:46 |
| mnaser | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/637025/5 just got majority so needs a few more days | 15:49 |
| mnaser | but its also been sitting around for ages so if someone wanted to review, they.. would have | 15:49 |
| ttx | So, about that rule | 15:49 |
| ttx | (the cooldown before approval) | 15:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: Retire docs-specs https://review.opendev.org/657140 | 15:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: Initiate process of migrating Documentation project to a SIG https://review.opendev.org/657141 | 15:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: Transition docs team to a SIG https://review.opendev.org/657142 | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | ok, I think those 3 are in shape now | 15:50 |
| ttx | That made sense when we had weekly reports that said "this is about to be merged, speak now of forever hold your peace" | 15:50 |
| mnaser | dhellmann: small oopsies there | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | bah | 15:50 |
| mnaser | either vim or just keyboard rage :) | 15:50 |
| ttx | but we don't do weekly reports anymore | 15:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: Retire docs-specs https://review.opendev.org/657140 | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: Initiate process of migrating Documentation project to a SIG https://review.opendev.org/657141 | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: Transition docs team to a SIG https://review.opendev.org/657142 | 15:51 |
| ttx | so the cooldown is just more days people can ignore that review | 15:51 |
| mnaser | oh faafo is an actual project | 15:51 |
| mnaser | ttx: seems fair. i think given for how long it's sat around, i'll push that through to get the one stacked on it to land too. | 15:52 |
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| ttx | It's not as if we cannot revert $stuff here | 15:54 |
| mnaser | anyone somewhat involves in the go ecosystem that can help move https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661862/ forwards? | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | mnaser : it might be better to abandon https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657142/3 and ask stephenfin to re-submit it when he's ready. that would clear our review board. | 15:54 |
| ttx | Or W-1 it | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | sure, or that | 15:55 |
| stephenfin | Yeah, I'll pick it up again but swamped atm :( | 15:55 |
| mnaser | (and tbh, i dont think its a blocker for making the golang pti change) | 15:55 |
| stephenfin | happy with either | 15:55 |
| mnaser | stephenfin: wanna just w-1 for now? | 15:55 |
| stephenfin | Sure, done | 15:55 |
| mnaser | i tried pinging monty about doign something like https://github.com/golang/go/commit/2ba8fc5b086942dbb23282702f61c813298867f3 | 15:57 |
| mnaser | for opendev | 15:57 |
| mnaser | but i don't think we should necessarily block on it | 15:57 |
| mnaser | the redirects work | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | https://review.opendev.org/665166 update TC dashboard to ignore WIP items | 15:58 |
| mnaser | dhellmann: wanna maybe just add it to foreach = instead? | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | I wanted the "everything" list to include those items | 15:59 |
| mnaser | oh | 15:59 |
| mnaser | right | 15:59 |
| mnaser | makes sense | 15:59 |
| zaneb | mnaser: for the golang thing, given that the redirects work, maybe we should tell people to stick to git.openestack.org? | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | did someone propose the upstream patch to add opendev.org? | 16:00 |
| zaneb | I didn't | 16:01 |
| zaneb | mnaser: said above that he pinged mordred about it | 16:01 |
| * dhellmann wonders if the tc needs someone to show them how to open a PR on github | 16:02 | |
| mnaser | they use gerrit to review things afaik | 16:02 |
| zaneb | but now that I think about it, changing it would result in the exact kind of duplication that we were trying to avoid there | 16:02 |
| mnaser | https://go-review.googlesource.com/ | 16:02 |
| fungi | 661862 seems like something anyone in the community with an interest in go could pitch in on too | 16:03 |
| mnaser | but also it's a bit more than opening a change because getting all of that regex right. | 16:03 |
| mnaser | and getting it tested right | 16:03 |
| mnaser | and tbh, i don't know how to write any go | 16:03 |
| zaneb | oh man, I don't wanna have to sign up for that. why can't they just use github? :P | 16:03 |
| mnaser | or i wouldn't know how to run the tests so i feel maybe other members might have felt the same | 16:04 |
| ttx | ... | 16:04 |
| zaneb | I have several days experience in writing go and could probably manage it but... -ENOTIME | 16:05 |
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| fungi | i think this is something which folks in our community maintaining go source code, and therefore having a vested interest in it being in the pti, ought to have sufficient incentive to tackle | 16:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Describe the business value of using unified limits https://review.opendev.org/637025 | 16:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Describe the business value of consistent RBAC https://review.opendev.org/645361 | 16:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Retire openstack-ansible unused roles https://review.opendev.org/653643 | 16:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Update nodeJS PTI version for Train https://review.opendev.org/643603 | 16:34 |
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| lbragstad | woot | 16:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/governance master: Convert 'Help Most Needed' to 'Upstream Investment Opportunities' https://review.opendev.org/657447 | 17:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/governance master: Convert 'Help Most Needed' to 'Upstream Investment Opportunities' https://review.opendev.org/657447 | 17:50 |
| zaneb | dhellmann: ^ new structure w/ old content in place | 17:50 |
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| dhellmann | zaneb : really I would have settled for 1 page but that looks great, thank you | 18:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason E. Rist proposed openstack/governance master: Retiring TripleO-UI and associated projects https://review.opendev.org/665264 | 23:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Jason E. Rist proposed openstack/governance master: Retiring TripleO-UI and associated projects https://review.opendev.org/665264 | 23:08 |
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