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| asettle | o/ | 08:56 |
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| ttx | I'm refreshing the project-team-guide-core group membership -- I see asettle evrardjp fungi and lbragstad recently involved in reviewing and adding content -- would you be interested in getting added ? | 08:57 |
| asettle | Sure :) | 08:57 |
| asettle | Thanks ttx | 08:57 |
| ttx | I like it when people walk into a trap all smiling | 08:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-team-guide master: Update Extended Maintenance transition description https://review.opendev.org/657071 | 08:57 |
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| ttx | If others want it (gmann?) just let me know. the original groups was "all the TC members from back then that would like to commit some time on that" | 08:59 |
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| gmann | ttx: sure. thanks | 09:00 |
| ttx | done | 09:04 |
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| evrardjp | I don't mind | 09:39 |
| ttx | done | 09:40 |
| asettle | evrardjp, ever so committed ;) | 09:44 |
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| * asettle thinks | 09:48 | |
| asettle | ttx, do you remember what happened to the tag we created for docs after we split everything out? | 09:49 |
| asettle | Because docs, as a measurement of success, isn't included in follows-policy or anything similar | 09:49 |
| asettle | And I nkow we created something | 09:49 |
| asettle | This one: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/445536/ | 09:49 |
| ricolin | asettle, ttx let me know if this looks correct to you https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1tQkzFvfrUejQHbrxZavaC-9ma3_sowUXpy2TctzMuB4/ | 09:50 |
| asettle | ricolin, reviewing | 09:51 |
| asettle | Oh pretty colours | 09:51 |
| ricolin | asettle, that's because I got no gif:) | 09:51 |
| asettle | Hahhaha | 09:51 |
| asettle | ricolin, other than "stable branch maintenance" not fitting into the box, it looks good to me. | 09:52 |
| asettle | I like the colour coordination | 09:52 |
| ttx | asettle: projects did not rush to adopt that tag | 09:52 |
| asettle | ttx, no kidding :p | 09:52 |
| asettle | Presumably it was removed, do you remember when? I'm guessing it was the year I was off | 09:52 |
| ttx | ricolin: I would not put Meta SIG on top, that's confusing. The Meta SIG is a SIG, its "SIG approval" authority is just derived from having TC and UC representatives | 09:54 |
| ttx | asettle: no idea :) | 09:54 |
| asettle | Brill :p | 09:54 |
| ttx | So governance is just BoD, TC and UC | 09:54 |
| ricolin | ttx done | 09:56 |
| ttx | ricolin: also I find the distinction between "project teams" and things like "QA" or "release" (which are also technically project teams to be confusing | 09:56 |
| ttx | So I would either: | 09:57 |
| ricolin | ttx indeed, they all `project team` by definition | 09:57 |
| ttx | 1/ make a big single project team block and say they are "producing the software" | 09:57 |
| ttx | or | 09:57 |
| evrardjp | asettle: :) | 09:58 |
| ttx | 2/ have vertical project teams on one side (dedicated to producing a specific area of software) and horizontal project teams on the other (dedicated to deliverable lifecycle functions) | 09:58 |
| ttx | (Election officials can stay separate, they are not a project team) | 09:59 |
| ttx | ricolin: I think I prefer (1) | 09:59 |
| ricolin | how about `stable branch maintenance` | 09:59 |
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| ttx | It's a project team | 10:00 |
| ttx | Err | 10:00 |
| ttx | A SIG now | 10:00 |
| * ttx checks | 10:00 | |
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| ttx | yes, a SIG, so I would not make a specific box for it | 10:01 |
| ricolin | ttx `Extended Maintenance`? | 10:01 |
| ttx | yes | 10:01 |
| ttx | Basically what makes it confusing is when you start mixing the classes ("project team", "SIGs"...) with specific instances of those ("QA", Meta SIG"...) | 10:02 |
| ttx | I feel like this should be a class diagram, with no instance | 10:02 |
| gmann | Extended Maintenance also under same SIG as stable branch maintainer. | 10:03 |
| ttx | also technically VMT is not a project team... (it's part of the security SIG) | 10:04 |
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| ricolin | ttx you mean something like the second page in slides? | 10:05 |
| ttx | ricolin: yes. Maybe "produces the software" instead of "require deliverable" but yes | 10:06 |
| ttx | Maybe add a "Misc" line with the election officials group | 10:06 |
| ttx | It's more of a corner case than a category in itself | 10:07 |
| ricolin | ttx election official is under who's governance? | 10:10 |
| mugsie | ricolin: ours | 10:10 |
| ttx | ricolin: TC. Only organizes TC / PTL elections | 10:10 |
| ricolin | mugsie, thx, got to make sure it's correct:) | 10:10 |
| ttx | ricolin: looks good to me on page 2 (at least as far as the TC is concerned). I'd probably say "other" or "misc" instead of "Management team", but that can work too | 10:11 |
| ricolin | `other` sounds good to me | 10:11 |
| ttx | Maybe "technical election officials" or "TC/PTL election offcials" might be more correct (there are other election officials for other elections) | 10:11 |
| ttx | and finally I'd make the "project teams" box larger as it's the thing we have the most instances of | 10:12 |
| ricolin | ttx done | 10:18 |
| ricolin | changing https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/explain-team-formate-differentiate accordingly | 10:19 |
| gmann | ricolin: ttx 'project teams'('produces the software') are also under long term mission right? can we show that clearly in diag ?currently 'produces the software' looks like 3rd category in diag | 10:21 |
| ricolin | gmann, I do put it under long term mission in etherpad, so may I can change the diagram to clear that message | 10:22 |
| gmann | ok | 10:23 |
| gmann | and should we add 'Ambassador' group also somewhere ? | 10:23 |
| ricolin | maybe put it next to user group? | 10:24 |
| gmann | yeah may be. ttx ? | 10:24 |
| ttx | The governance of that is a bit fuzzy to me. Who appoints ambassadors? | 10:28 |
| ttx | Might be the OSF, so would be on the right side of that diagram | 10:28 |
| ricolin | ambassadors kind of like liaisons for user group IMO | 10:29 |
| * ricolin asking on #openstack-uc now | 10:35 | |
| gmann | i think they have more broader role. for example user group can be created via ambassadors, extend the openstack reachability/information etc | 10:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Mention the new cycle-automatic release model https://review.opendev.org/666548 | 11:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Frode Nordahl proposed openstack/governance master: Add ``octavia-diskimage-retrofit`` charm https://review.opendev.org/666569 | 13:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-team-guide master: Document running tests with stestr https://review.opendev.org/666273 | 13:25 |
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| iurygregory | Morning everyone, the change to add a CI job need to be in a separte patch, do I need to use Depends-On on it? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/665910/ https://review.opendev.org/#/c/665321/ | 13:32 |
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| jroll | iurygregory: those patches look fine, but it's primarily the infra team that reviews that repo :) | 13:44 |
| jroll | iurygregory: I would add a depends-on, but I don't think that will make it pass CI (since the repo still isn't created) | 13:44 |
| iurygregory | jroll, oh got it =) I was wondering if I missed something Tks o/ | 13:45 |
| jroll | welcome! | 13:45 |
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| ttx | mugsie: you have your name on the action item from Denver PTG around decoupling goal proposal (as soon as there is a champion) from per-cycle goal selection | 14:10 |
| ttx | mugsie: I can work on it if you want | 14:10 |
| mugsie | ttx: yeah - if you have cycles, that would be great | 14:11 |
| ttx | mugsie: you got it | 14:15 |
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| fungi | ttx: happy to be added to project-team-guide-core though my review bandwidth for it has varied so not sure how regularly i'll hit it (but will try) | 14:35 |
| ttx | done | 14:36 |
| fungi | ttx: ricolin: the technical election officials have been referring to themselves as the "technical election officials" (see what i did there?) so that's probably a fine term to keep things unambiguous | 14:37 |
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| ttx | ++ | 14:53 |
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| fungi | and i guess it's office hour now | 15:00 |
| zaneb | o/ | 15:01 |
| fungi | (also security sig weekly meeting over in #openstack-meeting so i'll be in and out) | 15:01 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 15:04 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:10 |
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| mnaser | Bonjour | 15:19 |
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| ricolin | fungi, thx for the clarify | 16:03 |
| fungi | that was quite possibly the quietest thursday office hour we've ever had (outside maybe a summit week?) | 16:04 |
| fungi | but hey, security sig meeting was super productive | 16:04 |
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