Thursday, 2019-06-20

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asettleo/08:56
ttxI'm refreshing the project-team-guide-core group membership -- I see asettle evrardjp fungi and lbragstad recently involved in reviewing and adding content -- would you be interested in getting added ?08:57
asettleSure :)08:57
asettleThanks ttx08:57
ttxI like it when people walk into a trap all smiling08:57
openstackgerritMerged openstack/project-team-guide master: Update Extended Maintenance transition description  https://review.opendev.org/65707108:57
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ttxIf others want it (gmann?) just let me know. the original groups was "all the TC members from back then that would like to commit some time on that"08:59
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gmannttx: sure. thanks09:00
ttxdone09:04
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evrardjpI don't mind09:39
ttxdone09:40
asettleevrardjp, ever so committed ;)09:44
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* asettle thinks09:48
asettlettx, do you remember what happened to the tag we created for docs after we split everything out?09:49
asettleBecause docs, as a measurement of success, isn't included in follows-policy or anything similar09:49
asettleAnd I nkow we created something09:49
asettleThis one: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/445536/09:49
ricolinasettle, ttx let me know if this looks correct to you https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1tQkzFvfrUejQHbrxZavaC-9ma3_sowUXpy2TctzMuB4/09:50
asettlericolin, reviewing09:51
asettleOh pretty colours09:51
ricolinasettle, that's because I got no gif:)09:51
asettleHahhaha09:51
asettlericolin, other than "stable branch maintenance" not fitting into the box, it looks good to me.09:52
asettleI like the colour coordination09:52
ttxasettle: projects did not rush to adopt that tag09:52
asettlettx, no kidding :p09:52
asettlePresumably it was removed, do you remember when? I'm guessing it was the year I was off09:52
ttxricolin: I would not put Meta SIG on top, that's confusing. The Meta SIG is a SIG, its "SIG approval" authority is just derived from having TC and UC representatives09:54
ttxasettle: no idea :)09:54
asettleBrill :p09:54
ttxSo governance is just BoD, TC and UC09:54
ricolinttx done09:56
ttxricolin: also I find the distinction between "project teams" and things like "QA" or "release" (which are also technically project teams to be confusing09:56
ttxSo I would either:09:57
ricolinttx  indeed, they all `project team` by definition09:57
ttx1/ make a big single project team block and say they are "producing the software"09:57
ttxor09:57
evrardjpasettle: :)09:58
ttx2/ have vertical project teams on one side (dedicated to producing a specific area of software) and horizontal project teams on the other (dedicated to deliverable lifecycle functions)09:58
ttx(Election officials can stay separate, they are not a project team)09:59
ttxricolin: I think I prefer (1)09:59
ricolinhow about `stable branch maintenance`09:59
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ttxIt's a project team10:00
ttxErr10:00
ttxA SIG now10:00
* ttx checks10:00
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ttxyes, a SIG, so I would not make a specific box for it10:01
ricolinttx `Extended Maintenance`?10:01
ttxyes10:01
ttxBasically what makes it confusing is when you start mixing the classes ("project team", "SIGs"...) with specific instances of those ("QA", Meta SIG"...)10:02
ttxI feel like this should be a class diagram, with no instance10:02
gmannExtended Maintenance also under same SIG as stable branch maintainer.10:03
ttxalso technically VMT is not a project team... (it's part of the security SIG)10:04
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ricolinttx you mean something like the second page in slides?10:05
ttxricolin: yes. Maybe "produces the software" instead of "require deliverable" but yes10:06
ttxMaybe add a "Misc" line with the election officials group10:06
ttxIt's more of a corner case than a category in itself10:07
ricolinttx election official is under who's governance?10:10
mugsiericolin: ours10:10
ttxricolin: TC. Only organizes TC / PTL elections10:10
ricolinmugsie, thx, got to make sure it's correct:)10:10
ttxricolin: looks good to me on page 2 (at least as far as the TC is concerned). I'd probably say "other" or "misc" instead of "Management team", but that can work too10:11
ricolin`other` sounds good to me10:11
ttxMaybe "technical election officials" or "TC/PTL election offcials" might be more correct (there are other election officials for other elections)10:11
ttxand finally I'd make the "project teams" box larger as it's the thing we have the most instances of10:12
ricolinttx done10:18
ricolinchanging https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/explain-team-formate-differentiate accordingly10:19
gmannricolin: ttx 'project teams'('produces the software') are also under long term mission right? can we show that clearly in diag ?currently 'produces the software' looks like 3rd category in diag10:21
ricolingmann, I do put it under long term mission in etherpad, so may I can change the diagram to clear that message10:22
gmannok10:23
gmannand should we add 'Ambassador' group also somewhere ?10:23
ricolinmaybe put it next to user group?10:24
gmannyeah may be. ttx  ?10:24
ttxThe governance of that is a bit fuzzy to me. Who appoints ambassadors?10:28
ttxMight be the OSF, so would be on the right side of that diagram10:28
ricolinambassadors kind of like liaisons for user group IMO10:29
* ricolin asking on #openstack-uc now10:35
gmanni think they have more broader role. for example user group can be created via ambassadors, extend the openstack reachability/information etc10:39
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openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Mention the new cycle-automatic release model  https://review.opendev.org/66654811:52
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openstackgerritFrode Nordahl proposed openstack/governance master: Add ``octavia-diskimage-retrofit`` charm  https://review.opendev.org/66656913:19
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/project-team-guide master: Document running tests with stestr  https://review.opendev.org/66627313:25
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iurygregoryMorning everyone, the change to add a CI job need to be in a separte patch, do I need to use Depends-On on it? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/665910/ https://review.opendev.org/#/c/665321/13:32
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jrolliurygregory: those patches look fine, but it's primarily the infra team that reviews that repo :)13:44
jrolliurygregory: I would add a depends-on, but I don't think that will make it pass CI (since the repo still isn't created)13:44
iurygregoryjroll, oh got it =) I was wondering if I missed something Tks o/13:45
jrollwelcome!13:45
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ttxmugsie: you have your name on the action item from Denver PTG around decoupling goal proposal (as soon as there is a champion) from per-cycle goal selection14:10
ttxmugsie: I can work on it if you want14:10
mugsiettx: yeah - if you have cycles, that would be great14:11
ttxmugsie: you got it14:15
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fungittx: happy to be added to project-team-guide-core though my review bandwidth for it has varied so not sure how regularly i'll hit it (but will try)14:35
ttxdone14:36
fungittx: ricolin: the technical election officials have been referring to themselves as the "technical election officials" (see what i did there?) so that's probably a fine term to keep things unambiguous14:37
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ttx++14:53
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fungiand i guess it's office hour now15:00
zanebo/15:01
fungi(also security sig weekly meeting over in #openstack-meeting so i'll be in and out)15:01
lbragstado/15:04
ttxo/15:10
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mnaserBonjour15:19
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ricolinfungi, thx for the clarify16:03
fungithat was quite possibly the quietest thursday office hour we've ever had (outside maybe a summit week?)16:04
fungibut hey, security sig meeting was super productive16:04
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