| corvus | dhellmann, fungi: hey, i added a name to the U name suggestions wiki page a while ago ("University"), but i don't see it in dhellmann's list... | 00:07 |
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| corvus | just wondering what happened to it... it was a serious suggestion with some effort put into it. | 00:09 |
| fungi | i'm not sure, dhellmann was the one who trimmed out the non-geographic names | 00:11 |
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| fungi | it seems as reasonable an inclusion as urban, for similar reasons of describing the city of shanghai | 00:12 |
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| corvus | well, for example there is a place named "University of Shanghai for Science and Technology" in shanghai, so i figured it met the "physical or human geography" | 00:13 |
| fungi | ahh, yup, that too | 00:14 |
| corvus | and it's a point of pride for the city that there are so many renowned universites there. so in that respect i think it's a good choice. (at least, something to be more proud of than "icehouse") | 00:15 |
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| corvus | replied on-list since there doesn't seem an obvious reason it was omitted (perhaps just a copy/paste error?) | 00:33 |
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| fungi | oh, yeah, and it's office hour now (has been for 26 minutes already) | 01:26 |
| mnaser | i/ | 01:29 |
| mnaser | Well apparently that's a new way of writing things | 01:29 |
| fungi | i/ write/ that/ way/ all/ the/ time/ | 01:31 |
| mnaser | Well that was a o/ whcih autocorrect has decided to do it's own iteration of | 01:33 |
| fungi | i figured | 01:35 |
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| gmann | o/ | 02:18 |
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| ricolin_ | o/ | 02:27 |
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| fungi | at least i don't feel so bad for missing the first 26 minutes of the office hour which ended over an hour ago ;) | 02:30 |
| fungi | er, ended half an hour ago i guess | 02:30 |
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| gmann | mnaser: I am little confuse on which etherpad we are using to collect the TC topics for Forum/PTG - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PVG-TC-brainstorming https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PVG-TC-PTG | 03:35 |
| gmann | I hope later one is for PTG only ? but saw few forum topic name also there. also it has 'Summit/PTG' in heading so not sure this is for Forum also or not ? | 03:36 |
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| jroll | so I was asked about the pdf goal progress and went hunting... I thought I saw some work being done in the past, but the topic isn't showing anything except someone working on the ironic projects: https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:pdf-doc-enabled | 11:30 |
| jroll | (also tried pdf-doc-generation but found nothing) | 11:31 |
| jroll | ah, there's a few more here: https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+topic:build-pdf-docs | 11:31 |
| jroll | I notice the base zuul job hasn't landed (https://review.opendev.org/#/c/664555/) , but it appears some teams are just doing it themselves: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/667968/ https://review.opendev.org/#/c/601659/ | 11:33 |
| jroll | anyway, should we be concerned about the goal here? asettle, how are you feeling about it? | 11:37 |
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| gmann | while talking with amotoki, he was facing some issue on including the sample conf/policy files due to their size. nova and neutron are two project facing the issue for sure due to their large conf and policy files. amotoki has some ideas on that but not sure if that is finalized or not. | 11:56 |
| gmann | s/ideas/solutions | 11:57 |
| amotoki | gmann: I am trying to split a large sample file (neutron.conf in neutron case) into more meaningful pieces. It might work but I am not sure it can solve the latex problem. | 11:57 |
| amotoki | If we break down sample files into too many pieces, it is not useful for operators, so it is not a silver bullet. | 11:58 |
| gmann | amotoki: yeah but not sure if all projects (having large file) are ok to split the conf. | 11:58 |
| amotoki | gmann: yes, that's true. in addition, we should not do such things only for PDF doc generation. | 12:00 |
| amotoki | jroll: gmann: regarding zuul job configuration, I proposed self-contained way just because I would like to test PDF generation in our CI and the common job proposal has no progress for long. | 12:06 |
| amotoki | the common job is fine but it should not block efforts in individual teams unless they conflicts. | 12:08 |
| amotoki | the current proposed way in openstacksdk, horizon and neutron have no conflict with stephenfin's job proposal, so I don't think it is a big problem. | 12:08 |
| jroll | amotoki: sorry, I didn't mean it was a bad thing :) | 12:09 |
| jroll | I wasn't sure if we planned to wait for the common job or not, I was just reporting what I was finding | 12:09 |
| amotoki | jroll: no worries. I just would like to share what I think. your finding looks same as mine. | 12:10 |
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| jroll | good! | 12:12 |
| jroll | amotoki: do you think we'll find time to finish it? | 12:12 |
| amotoki | jroll: I am not so confident now. I already shared my experiences on the etherpad and the mailing list, but we lack coordination across projects. | 12:14 |
| jroll | amotoki: ok, thanks | 12:14 |
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| amotoki | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pdf-goal-train-common-problems would be helpful. | 12:15 |
| jroll | ah right, I remember your email | 12:15 |
| * jroll wonders when asettle is back | 12:15 | |
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| amotoki | if we just focus on generating PDF docs, it would work, but we need more work to make PDF doc useful (e.g., good TOC). this needs more coordination. | 12:16 |
| jroll | makes sense | 12:18 |
| jroll | thanks for the update | 12:18 |
| amotoki | you're welcome :) | 12:18 |
| gmann | thanks amotoki | 12:21 |
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| jroll | btw, the reason I asked initially is that manila is having trouble finding volunteers to work on it - trying to dig up some more info if it's the "just generating docs" they need help with, or the "making it useful" part | 12:29 |
| tbarron | jroll: I haven't tried it myself but gouthamr said that "just generating docs" was more challenging with our sphinx extensions than we anticipated | 12:30 |
| jroll | oof :( | 12:31 |
| jroll | tbarron: does manila use extensions that other openstack projects don't? | 12:32 |
| tbarron | jroll: honestly I don't know. Are other projects finding the "just generating docs" step straightforward? If so, then we can compare. | 12:33 |
| jroll | tbarron: I guess I'm not sure, I haven't been watching this goal closely until you brought it up :) | 12:33 |
| tbarron | jroll: kk. Let's find a project that's on schedule for meeting this goal and compare. | 12:34 |
| tbarron | jroll: if manila is just doing something esoteric that makes it hard then maybe we just need to stop doing that. | 12:35 |
| jroll | tbarron: yeah, maybe | 12:36 |
| jroll | tbarron: sphinx.ext.ifconfig is the only one you have that nova doesn't... though I'm not sure if nova can generate a pdf yet | 12:44 |
| jroll | it's been done in the past, but no clue if it still works | 12:45 |
| jroll | https://opendev.org/openstack/nova/src/branch/master/tools/build_latex_pdf.sh | 12:45 |
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| tbarron | jroll: intersting. looks like neutron has sphinx.ext.ifconfig -- though lol not for the reasons I looked there. | 12:51 |
| jroll | heh | 12:51 |
| tbarron | that extension has nothing to do with 'ifconfig' *nix cmd | 12:51 |
| jroll | yeah, I immediately googled it to see what that had to do with docs :) | 12:52 |
| tbarron | jroll: so maybe if there's an etherpad or some such that tracks progress on this goal we can find nova or neutron or whomever succeeding and emulate them in manila. | 12:53 |
| tbarron | jroll: I don't have a lot of b?w for this and didn't get volunteers for the job but we'll try to get it done. | 12:53 |
| jroll | tbarron: yeah, that's my hope, but nobody has completed it yet, as far as I can tell | 12:55 |
| tbarron | jroll: kk, thanks for the help, you know where to find me :) | 12:55 |
| jroll | tbarron: thanks for the heads up :) | 12:55 |
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| zaneb | corvus: "OpenStack University" is the former name of the Upstream Institute program. not sure how the marketing folks will feel about that popping up again. which is unfortunate because it's a nice idea | 13:29 |
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| mnaser | gmann: one is for the forum session (i.e. ones that go on during summit) and second is for ptg (our 1 day tc room thing) | 14:06 |
| gmann | mnaser: thanks. got it. | 14:08 |
| fungi | i think it's been long enough now that name has faded into obscurity. a quick web search turned up a couple vestigial mentions in the wiki, which i just now fixed | 14:09 |
| corvus | zaneb: yeah -- "doesn't pass trademark review" would be a fine reason to omit it; i just didn't want the reason to be "copy/paste error" :) | 14:12 |
| corvus | hrm, there seems to still be some confusion. i'm not coming up with a last minute addition which doesn't meet the criteria. i'm trying to point out that my entry has been on the wiki page for more than a week, and it meets the criteria, and somehow it was omitted from the email. | 14:24 |
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| ricolin | corvus, I think if University referring to any specific one like than it will meet the criteria The name must refer to the physical or human geography" | 14:38 |
| corvus | ricolin: we could pick one at random :) | 14:39 |
| ricolin | I'm not quite sure if it's general speaking of University | 14:39 |
| ricolin | corvus, that will do IMO | 14:39 |
| corvus | okay, then it's short for "University of Shanghai for Science and Technology" because i like the sound of that :) | 14:40 |
| ricolin | corvus, thanks for making this easy for us:) | 14:41 |
| corvus | ricolin: thank you, and i'm sorry if i also made it hard :) | 14:41 |
| ricolin | corvus, NP, I like the idea you bring to have "University", not sure why it's not omitted but I guess we will find out tomorrow when try to finalize the list in office hour or TC meeting | 14:45 |
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| ricolin | hope I'm not mass around with the sentence *name must refer to the physical or human geograph* :) | 14:46 |
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| fungi | rephrased, it means the name of a geographic feature or place | 14:49 |
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| ricolin | fungi, and does "University of Shanghai for Science and Technology" count as a *place*?:) | 15:01 |
| fungi | sure, any more than the name of a street counts | 15:06 |
| fungi | stein was named for steinstraße (stone street) in berlin | 15:07 |
| fungi | icehouse was named for icehouse street in hong kong | 15:07 |
| fungi | assuming the name of the university is synonymous with the name of its main campus (which is generally the case for other universities with which i'm familiar) | 15:08 |
| fungi | anyway, i find it compelling as an actual reference to shanghai, rather than just somewhere in a very large country which happens to contain shanghai | 15:09 |
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| dhellmann | zaneb , corvus : the conflict with OpenStack University was why I dropped that item from the list, but I'm happy to see it added back if other folks think it's OK | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | ricolin : I think naming it after 1 specific university isn't going to pass trademark review, and we don't need to do that based on criteria number 4 on https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/release-naming.html#release-name-criteria | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | although I guess having a specific university in mind doesn't hurt :-) | 15:22 |
| zaneb | fungi: it does sound a bit like saying that e.g. "Straße" would have been a legit name for Stein (which it wouldn't imho) | 15:23 |
| zaneb | i.e. University is a word that describes the feature | 15:24 |
| fungi | i could see that. then again openstack strasse wouldn't have been a terrible release name | 15:28 |
| fungi | berlin does have... streets? ;) | 15:28 |
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| ricolin | dhellmann, You're right about the trademark review. I guess we can put all these into final vote tomorrow if no one against for a inner TC poll (which I think will be quick) | 16:05 |
| ttx | agree OpenStack University would be an unfortunate naming collision (even if the thing is now called "Upstream Institute") | 16:12 |
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| mnaser | TheJulia: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/670741/ do you have some bandwidth to look this over? | 16:40 |
| mnaser | you had some concerns that fungi had addressed | 16:40 |
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| dhellmann | I think Julia is out today, so it may be tomorrow before she responds | 16:42 |
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| fungi | i don't think there's any rush | 16:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: remove Tony's name as naming poll coordinator https://review.opendev.org/674494 | 16:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/governance master: Add "Comparison of Official Group Structures" document https://review.opendev.org/668093 | 16:55 |
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| TheJulia | mnaser: done! | 18:47 |
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