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| ttx | Fun experiment in Octavia to identify reviewbots: https://review.opendev.org/683028 | 08:21 |
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| ttx | Not sure what we'll do with the results though... | 08:21 |
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| asettle | o/ | 09:18 |
| asettle | ttx, that is interesting | 09:19 |
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| evrardjp | apparently it already caught an incorrect review. | 10:33 |
| asettle | Huh interesting | 10:34 |
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| evrardjp | Is it a problem we need to tackle? Or is it only an inconvenience? Do we need a policy OpenStack wide, or can the projects be masters of their destiny? | 10:36 |
| evrardjp | I have the impression that bringing a Backport vote could help PTLs on tracking backports, but I am not sure if: 1) this needs to be a policy more than a recommendation 2) if changing the order will do anything for bots (as it's a probably a one liner to change the order). | 10:37 |
| asettle | evrardjp - honestly, I think those are questions to ask after the experiment is over. Let Octavia do their thing, and then depending on the results, we can talk more to other projects. | 10:37 |
| asettle | But I think asking whether or not this is a problem to tackle is the horse before the cart. | 10:37 |
| evrardjp | Agreed. | 10:38 |
| evrardjp | I probably wrongly said what I mean too: I wonder if Octavia is alone with this perception, or if there is a general problem (so it would nice to hear from PTLs here) | 10:39 |
| mugsie | it is. I used to be able to look at patches with > n +1 votes, and it was usually at a pretty good state, now it just means a round of bots has been through | 10:42 |
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| evrardjp | so that dillutes the perception of a drive-by but careful review | 10:44 |
| evrardjp | good feedback mugsie | 10:44 |
| evrardjp | I was more lucky on the projects I am reviewing I guess | 10:45 |
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| jroll | interesting | 11:33 |
| jroll | was mentioned in infra that they wanted to wait to see if TC had an opinion on that, I'm personally fine with it, will mention on the review | 11:36 |
| jroll | agree it is a general problem | 11:36 |
| mnaser | I think we fixed the trailing +1 issue with a certain organization by talking to them | 11:38 |
| mnaser | Let's try to do that first... | 11:38 |
| njohnston | It may vary project by project, but in the ones I work with I have not seen more than one or two accounts that tend to +1 just about everything, and those have tailed off recently. There quickly gets to be a "discount effect" among cores where a +1 from certain name(s) gets mentally blacklisted. Also they tend to stand out pretty strongly in views like https://www.stackalytics.com/report/contribution/neutron-group/90 | 11:42 |
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| ttx | yeah... i see the main effect to be that it taints the reputation of well-behaving reviewers from the same company(ies) | 12:06 |
| ttx | Since nobody plays "Top #2 contributor" games anymore | 12:07 |
| ttx | But it's hard to go to a company and say "you seem to be playing stats, you should probably not do that" withuot some sort of proof. It's hard to say a random +1 is automated | 12:08 |
| ttx | Reminder taht today is the last day for us to pick sessions to submit to Shanghai -- please fill https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PVG-TC-brainstorming if you havent yet | 12:09 |
| ttx | There aren't a ton of available slots apparently, so no need to submit things where we know nobody would show up | 12:09 |
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| mnaser | ttx: yeah but I think the approach we took was to explain those +1s werent clean reviews so to speak | 12:22 |
| mnaser | No comments, no info | 12:23 |
| ttx | true | 12:27 |
| smcginnis | Every once in awhile, about every 3-4 weeks it seems, I still get some random accounts that +1 patches I have upvoted. | 12:29 |
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| smcginnis | Which only stands out because I vote on patches in a kinda weird mix of repos, so definitely not normal that someone else would just happen to be reviewing cinder, glance, release, and random patches too. | 12:30 |
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| tosky | uh, I've seen for ages those "no context, out of the blue" reviews on sahara | 12:32 |
| tosky | the octavia experiment seems interesting :) | 12:32 |
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| evrardjp | mnaser: agreed on the talk to them approach | 13:37 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: either you have a stalker, a fan, or a split personality | 13:37 |
| evrardjp | or maybe all of the above :) | 13:37 |
| evrardjp | hahah | 13:38 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: Hah! | 13:50 |
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| fungi | maybe a terrible idea, but we could routinely generate random honeypot changes and then auto-disable any accounts which leave a +1 or -1 vote on them | 14:02 |
| fungi | make the prose in the commit message clear that's what they are, but change up enough of it that pattern matching on various aspects of the change is futile | 14:03 |
| fungi | granted, that's a significant engineering undertaking to solve a problem which is probably at most a minor nuisance | 14:04 |
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| smcginnis | Sounds kind of like what I did for third party CI's in Cinder - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/523143/ | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | But yeah, probably overkill. | 14:15 |
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| mnaser | smcginnis: oooooof | 14:51 |
| mnaser | that's an interesting approach | 14:51 |
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| smcginnis | The results were a little better than I feared. Only two were obviously not testing the code they should have been. | 15:00 |
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| mnaser | \o/ | 15:00 |
| ricolin_phone | o/ | 15:00 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: I like the commit text | 15:01 |
| evrardjp | and wow on the results. | 15:01 |
| evrardjp | hello everyone! | 15:01 |
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| fungi | your first office hour as the tc chair. i hope it's all you dreamt it would be ;) | 15:03 |
| njohnston | o/ | 15:03 |
| zaneb | o/ | 15:03 |
| evrardjp | fungi: you cannot imagine! my wildest dreams! | 15:03 |
| evrardjp | hahahaha | 15:03 |
| ricolin_phone | evrardjp: stop there! | 15:03 |
| ricolin_phone | Hahaha | 15:03 |
| evrardjp | tc-members I am in definitely looking for a friend to join me as TC furniture. If you're interested by being vice-chair don't hesitate to talk to me :) | 15:04 |
| evrardjp | that was my first topic for today | 15:04 |
| evrardjp | anyone has a topic before I continue on the more meaty stuff? :) | 15:05 |
| ttx | yes | 15:05 |
| ttx | We need to file the forum sessions before tomorrow EOD | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | does that involve names? | 15:05 |
| ttx | so we urgently need to decide which to file | 15:06 |
| ricolin_phone | I think we also need to settle down our forum | 15:06 |
| ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PVG-TC-brainstorming | 15:06 |
| ricolin_phone | Like tc said:) | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | I thought it was all of the above | 15:06 |
| ricolin_phone | ttx | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | ttx: I think it is nice to merge Leadership and tips and tricks | 15:06 |
| ttx | yeah, since leadership will be about making it an easier job anyway | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | ttx: maybe we can merge 5 and 9 with the topic: Innovation -- bring your crazy ideas | 15:07 |
| asettle | o/ | 15:07 |
| ttx | So Ussuri goals sounds like a no-brainer, we just need a volunteer to file it | 15:08 |
| evrardjp | if we merge 3-4//5-9// and we are short on rooms, maybe we can merge 1-2 too | 15:08 |
| mnaser | im all for dropping 9 | 15:08 |
| mnaser | ttx mentioned that we've discussed it in the past | 15:08 |
| ttx | I nominate gmann in his absence | 15:08 |
| mnaser | and can you imagine taking a year to land a feature | 15:08 |
| ttx | V goals... wondering if we'll have critical mass to discuss that | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | ttx: I vote for that :p | 15:09 |
| njohnston | mnaser: absolutely, it took us 2.5 years to land quality of service in neutron :-) | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | voluntold! | 15:09 |
| mnaser | we've always just concluded that 6 months is ok, if anything shaping up for a release that takes 1 whole year would be draining | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | mnaser: I agree on that. | 15:09 |
| mnaser | and a longer PTL cycle so its really doing the opposite of what we're trying to accomplish: make life easier | 15:09 |
| asettle | When was the last time the discussion happened? I admit to having heard rumblings about it again recently, which is why I included it. In fairness, I have no strong feelings. | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | ttx: for V goals -- it seems like it would be important to still host it. We've complained last time we didn't do it on time, so it makes sense to at least start it. | 15:10 |
| jroll | I would love to debate cycle frequency just to inject the "release continuously" option :) | 15:10 |
| jroll | s/inject/argue for/ | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | jroll: :) | 15:10 |
| ttx | I'll file 7, that's disconnected from TC really | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | this is why I propose to rename that thread to "bring your own (crazy) ideas" | 15:11 |
| mnaser | V goals and crazy ideas are a bit distinct imho | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | sorry | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | I meant jroll's idea and 9 | 15:11 |
| asettle | evrardjp, I actually kinda like that idea. A session where people can come along and say "I was thinking about this thing..." | 15:11 |
| ttx | ++ | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | yeah! exactly | 15:11 |
| asettle | Or "I heard rumour about a thing" | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | and we write down | 15:11 |
| zaneb | +1 on a bring your crazy ideas session | 15:11 |
| jroll | I like the idea of "BYO ideas", I don't like conflating it with cycle length or goals | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | jroll: will lead with the release continuously | 15:12 |
| asettle | Yeah, it encourages a space for people to openly talk and debate ideas | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | jroll: nope nope nope it was for session 5 /9 | 15:12 |
| ttx | mnaser: you good filing that expanded one? | 15:12 |
| jroll | evrardjp: I won't be there, in case I haven't said it enough | 15:12 |
| ttx | 5+9 | 15:12 |
| mnaser | i don't really wanna be talking release cycles :) | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | jroll: we'll organize that session at midnight, so you can remote join! | 15:12 |
| ttx | me neither | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | joke aside... | 15:13 |
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| mnaser | i want to taalk about new architectures and helping make deployment fo openstack more modern, adopting it with more new technologies | 15:13 |
| zaneb | yeah, I agree that 9 is a completely separate topic | 15:13 |
| mnaser | so i would *explicitly* not want that there, because i know some community members will *shrug* reading that and now show up | 15:13 |
| mnaser | *not | 15:13 |
| mnaser | cause they just dont wanna go over that conversation | 15:13 |
| jroll | mnaser: ++ | 15:13 |
| zaneb | which we should just not have a session for imho | 15:13 |
| zaneb | mnaser: ++ | 15:14 |
| ttx | yeah, I've been having that session far too often | 15:14 |
| zaneb | discussing new architecture ideas is interesting and worthwhile | 15:14 |
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| ttx | I'm happy to have a 1:1 discussion with whoever | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | Ok I am not sure I understanding what the problem is. | 15:14 |
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| zaneb | discussing the release cycle is boring and pointless. if people want to do it, fine, but let's not take up time from another session | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | Isn't the architectural conversation a good convo for "bring your crazy idea"? | 15:15 |
| jamesmcarthur | smcginnis: Here's a link to the csvs for User Survey PTL feedback on Google Docs: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Iy07hjwbON4di-Ly5njGLYXTQSSVbStl?usp=sharing | 15:15 |
| zaneb | evrardjp: yes | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | zaneb: I see | 15:15 |
| mnaser | "different release cycles" is on that list, the second peopel see that, they walk out :) | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | you don't want to phagocyte time | 15:15 |
| jamesmcarthur | smcginnis: I'll have to figure out something else if folks in China need access. | 15:15 |
| ttx | We have been having that discussion quite a few times already and it always concludes in the same way | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | ttx: ok | 15:16 |
| ttx | after wasting 40 minutes of my life again | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | haha | 15:16 |
| ttx | I've been having that discussion... 10 times I think. Not even kidding | 15:16 |
| njohnston | wow | 15:16 |
| zaneb | evrardjp: I'll have to check the dictionary | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | so let's keep the topic "bring the crazy idea" :) | 15:16 |
| ttx | Yes, there is such thing as too often and too rarely... and 6months is still the best way to reconcile both | 15:17 |
| asettle | Cool, let's move past that. It was just a suggestion. | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | zaneb: hey, I am not a native english speaker ! :) | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | agreed with asettle | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | so | 15:17 |
| ttx | asettle: I'm happy to discuss it again. But I need to be drinking beer at the same time, and it should be with a smaller group | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | how many session can we have? | 15:18 |
| ttx | should go faster | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | I like the idea of separating 1 and 2 | 15:18 |
| asettle | ttx - ha! Probably ;) but let's save that beer for another time :) | 15:18 |
| ttx | hard to tell, but there are 22 slots available total I think | 15:18 |
| ttx | so I would be conservative | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | ok | 15:18 |
| asettle | evrardjp, how are you thinking of separating them from what they are already? | 15:18 |
| mnaser | zaneb: are you interested in #5 too? | 15:18 |
| mnaser | i know we spoke briefly at the meeting at "future architecture" | 15:19 |
| mnaser | ok that answers it :) | 15:19 |
| zaneb | :) | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | asettle: I meant 2 sessions vs 1 grouped session for elements 1 and 2 | 15:19 |
| ttx | So that leaves 6 and 8 | 15:19 |
| asettle | Yep keep it as it is | 15:19 |
| mnaser | ok ih ave 2 names so ill submit #5 | 15:19 |
| ttx | I think both are useful, but maybe better done through ML | 15:19 |
| ttx | or me and rico havnig a drink | 15:19 |
| asettle | Yeah I'm not sure we need a forum session discussing a SIG guide | 15:19 |
| asettle | That seems ML orientated | 15:20 |
| mnaser | a single drink? :) | 15:20 |
| ttx | I can do a SIG guide over a single drink. 2020 investment opportunities is more of a late night multi-whisky-tasting thing | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | :) | 15:20 |
| jroll | one more thing on #5, do we really think we can fit any other ideas into 40 minutes when "revisit core infra architecture" is to be discussed? | 15:21 |
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| asettle | jroll, depends on how strict the moderator is | 15:21 |
| asettle | It's kinda like a lightning talk session, right? | 15:21 |
| evrardjp | Can the upstream investment opportunities be something we prepare all together on the ML and talk the foundation before the summit? | 15:21 |
| jroll | well | 15:21 |
| asettle | So maybe you're right, jroll - perhaps mnaser might be better off suggesting it on it's own? | 15:21 |
| evrardjp | (don't shoot the messenger) | 15:21 |
| jroll | asettle: yes, +1 | 15:22 |
| asettle | evrardjp, it probably could be. But good conversation can happen at the forum | 15:22 |
| mnaser | to the foundation or the board? | 15:22 |
| ttx | could be an end of day double-dlot topic | 15:22 |
| ttx | slot | 15:22 |
| asettle | ttx, the crazy one? I think that's a good idea | 15:22 |
| mnaser | yeah im not necessarily trying to think of the session being like "what can we change in openstakc" but "how can we fit the new ecosystems better" | 15:22 |
| ttx | If we finish early, we can go back to hotel | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | mnaser: you're right, even the board | 15:22 |
| mnaser | i mean im not sure there's much the foundation itself can do | 15:22 |
| mnaser | this can be presented to the board but um | 15:22 |
| mnaser | we'd be at strike 3 of going over it :) | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | correct! | 15:23 |
| zaneb | evrardjp: yeah, I not sure what there is to talk about for 2020. presumably we will roll over all the 2019 ones... what we we do with the other 39 minutes? | 15:23 |
| ttx | the single-slot vs. double-slot is usually decided by the section committee | 15:23 |
| ttx | selection* | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | zaneb: exactly why I proposed to not have the session :) | 15:23 |
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| evrardjp | but maybe I am too slow to read translate and write, and therefore we were maybe all in agreement | 15:23 |
| ttx | OK, we seem to be in a good place now | 15:24 |
| ttx | I'll chase down the submitters | 15:24 |
| asettle | evrardjp, zaneb it just might be a good time for people to come with their projects to add to the 2020 | 15:24 |
| asettle | But could always be done with ML | 15:24 |
| ttx | anything we are critically missing? | 15:24 |
| * zaneb was attempting to +1 your proposal to not have the session | 15:24 | |
| evrardjp | oh :) | 15:24 |
| evrardjp | got it | 15:24 |
| zaneb | asettle: even better, they can propose a patch any time :) | 15:25 |
| asettle | zaneb, \o/ come one, come all | 15:25 |
| mnaser | im ready to hit submit for #5 | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | mnaser: go ahead :) | 15:25 |
| asettle | So, evrardjp and tc-members I had an idea for those going to Shanghai. I wasn't too sure if we could do it as a forum session or maybe just an informal hallway track, but since we'll be meeting so much of the Asian contingent that doesn't normally come to north america or europe for the other confs, it would be a good time to do a meet and greet style-session. | 15:26 |
| mnaser | and im done ith that | 15:26 |
| evrardjp | we do have our meeting room during the event, right? | 15:26 |
| asettle | Just, "this is who we are and what we do" | 15:26 |
| asettle | Specifically for the TC (and UC?) | 15:26 |
| evrardjp | that's a good idea to have a meet and greet thing :) | 15:26 |
| fungi | and most importantly, show them it's not mysterious at all and totally within their reach | 15:27 |
| asettle | Basically, yeah | 15:27 |
| asettle | Give people a way to say "Oh I know someone on the TC now, I can help us do X Y Z" | 15:27 |
| mnaser | and everyone will have wechat setup so they can be accessible to them... right? | 15:27 |
| mnaser | :) | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | would that be part of our meeting room or do you wnat that as a lunch thing, where we could all spread to different tables? | 15:27 |
| asettle | evrardjp, open to suggestion. Does anyone have strong feelings on how we would manage this? | 15:27 |
| asettle | Lunch might be a bit hard to manage | 15:27 |
| asettle | Although it's nicer to have a less-formal setting | 15:28 |
| mnaser | ya i dont know about the logistics and that might throw a wrench in things for prep at the OSF side | 15:28 |
| evrardjp | yeah I am just still in a "throw you crazy ideas" mode | 15:28 |
| mnaser | we'll probably all be at some $mixer_event | 15:28 |
| mnaser | and i think it has to be the opposite | 15:28 |
| fungi | mnaser: maybe it's a good opportunity to explain to them the benefits of messaging solutions used by more than just the people within their political borders, now that we've established (afaik) that the great firewall is not blocking irc access to freenode | 15:28 |
| evrardjp | well we could just ask? | 15:28 |
| asettle | fungi, that's good to know. I didn't know/see that. | 15:28 |
| mnaser | we have to go out and approach those folks rather than asking them to come approach us imho | 15:28 |
| asettle | mnaser, that's the whole idea. | 15:29 |
| asettle | Literally. | 15:29 |
| evrardjp | exactly | 15:29 |
| evrardjp | we are just trying to find a way :) | 15:29 |
| mnaser | right, so rather than "meet the tc", its "tc lets all go out and socialize into that community" | 15:29 |
| fungi | asettle: we've had people in mainland china not using foreign network access report that they're able to connect to irc just fine, at least | 15:29 |
| mnaser | maybe its a detail thing but personally i think its a huge difference when you are reached out to vs "come talk to us" | 15:29 |
| fungi | (and not on corporate vpns either) | 15:29 |
| asettle | fungi, that's great to know. | 15:29 |
| mnaser | esp if your main language isn't english either | 15:30 |
| fungi | mnaser: it's an even better thing to say "here's somewhere everyone can come and have discussions" | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | fungi: It's not easy to have irc conversations when it's not your native language. Sometimes it goes too fast. | 15:30 |
| asettle | mnaser, right, sure. Semantics. My idea remains the same, become available and have a meeting session or location of some kind to provide an inviting and welcoming environment where other members of the community that otherwise wouldn't attend events has the opportunity to interact | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | mnaser: hahah | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | agreed! | 15:30 |
| fungi | evrardjp: even when it is in my native language it often goes too fast | 15:30 |
| fungi | evrardjp: but telephone conversations are even harder still | 15:30 |
| mnaser | totz | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | I was just proving the thing, mnaser just pointed it out, and I didn't get the chance to catch it immediately because I was 5 lines above :p | 15:31 |
| mnaser | so hence one of those evening events or something where everyone is usually there | 15:31 |
| asettle | Anyway we could "formalise" it a bit? | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | we'll have a tendency to gather together | 15:31 |
| mnaser | yes, we need to break that | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | we need to keep that in mind :) | 15:31 |
| mnaser | thats why im saying we need to maek sure we dont stick around each other at those events, i'm sure we'll get to spend *plenty* of other qualtiy time together | 15:32 |
| asettle | And nobody is disagreeing with you :) | 15:32 |
| mnaser | formalizing a "the TC will be at X and Y come to us" just feels intimidating to someone whos new to it, imho | 15:32 |
| mnaser | but anyways, that's just one voice | 15:33 |
| mnaser | others welcome to chime in :) | 15:33 |
| asettle | How do we (as a tc body) propose to let contributors know that we're around and hoping to meet people without advertising it? | 15:33 |
| fungi | also worth being aware, it sounds like we probably won't have leadership-oriented identifiers on badges this time (due to cost, i think?) | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | cool | 15:33 |
| fungi | so don't just assume folks will know you're on the tc | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | everyone the same! | 15:33 |
| asettle | fungi, that's good to know. So we might want to be a bit more verbose? Or perhaps party hats? | 15:34 |
| evrardjp | but though it makes the logistics a little harder | 15:34 |
| evrardjp | asettle: at FOSDEM, the VLC guys have hats. It's awesome. | 15:34 |
| fungi | asettle: or color-coded leis | 15:34 |
| asettle | DAMN we should have hats | 15:34 |
| mnaser | the more we are _different_ from the normal contributors | 15:34 |
| asettle | fungi, would match your shirt :P | 15:34 |
| mnaser | the more its intimidating and the tc feels more inaccessible, imho. | 15:34 |
| fungi | depends on what colors the emeritus lei uses | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | maybe we should have tshirts that everyone can have? | 15:35 |
| jroll | mnaser: you have a point, but if there's no way for people to tell who is TC, it's also intimidating to try and meet the TC (because you have to meet 10 people before you find a TC person) | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | "Interested by OpenStack! Join the TC!" We'll carry them and distribute them | 15:35 |
| asettle | ^^ that, I'm afraid. | 15:35 |
| mnaser | jroll: i dont think anyone is running around trying to find a tc member to say hi to | 15:35 |
| jroll | I do | 15:36 |
| * fungi would like to meet the tc | 15:36 | |
| asettle | I mean, I would have loved to back in the day. I barely knew who was on the TC | 15:36 |
| asettle | I honestly felt like the TC was so intimidating and untouchable until I met dhellmann | 15:36 |
| jroll | IME, there are lots of people, especially from outside the US, who wait until the summit to introduce themselves to leadership and talk about some topic | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | jroll: that's an important point, can we focus on that? | 15:36 |
| njohnston | asettle: I had the same experience! | 15:36 |
| jroll | I had so many random "oh hi, you're the PTL! do you have 5 minutes to talk about x?" when I was ironic PTL | 15:36 |
| asettle | njohnston, he's a gem like that isn't he :D | 15:37 |
| evrardjp | asettle: same for me. | 15:37 |
| asettle | jroll, exactly | 15:37 |
| zaneb | mnaser: you're making valid points, but how will people recognise that we are just normal contributors if they don't have a way of recognising us? they may just assume that we are off locked in a room doing god-like things and that they are merely mixing with the plebes | 15:37 |
| evrardjp | it seems like dhellmann is the keystone of this convo. Pun intended. | 15:37 |
| mnaser | fair enough about this | 15:38 |
| mnaser | its too bad our badges dont have the extra things | 15:38 |
| jroll | 13 stickers would be cheap :) | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | jroll: any idea on how we can tackle this? | 15:38 |
| ricolin | jroll, about to say that too:) | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | damn too slow | 15:38 |
| jroll | I liked the "lunch with the TC" events in the j-l days or so, but I guess I'm not sure if others felt the same | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | ok | 15:39 |
| jroll | I think it was 5-6 tables with 1-3 TC members each, and people could go talk to them | 15:39 |
| mnaser | btw we need to also figure out if this is a ptg thing or a summit thing | 15:39 |
| evrardjp | maybe we can combine? | 15:39 |
| asettle | I'm cool with lunch, maybe we could find an evening that doesn't have an event and organise an informal "we're in the hotel, we're all wearing party hats to look ridiculous, please say hi?" | 15:39 |
| evrardjp | asettle njohnston how did you speak with Doug in the first place? | 15:39 |
| asettle | Or, "we'll say hi to you if you're not wearing a party hat" | 15:39 |
| ricolin | we got a overlap day, so we can do it that day to cover both PTG and summit:) | 15:39 |
| asettle | evrardjp, the sinking shitfest that was the docs team post-OSIC | 15:40 |
| evrardjp | oh | 15:40 |
| asettle | ricolin, that's a good idea. Use the overlap evening to have a "come see us in party hats and have a chat about anything" thing | 15:40 |
| evrardjp | well | 15:40 |
| fungi | my recollection is the "lunch with the tc" space ended up as random crash-space for people looking for somewhere to sit with their lunch, and so anyone who *was* actually interested in meeting tc members couldn't find an available seat | 15:40 |
| jroll | (again, I won't be there but) I would prefer a lunch thing, by 6pm I am socially exhausted | 15:40 |
| asettle | That way, we're in a central location, identifiable, and then to mnaser 's point, we're approaching people without party hats? | 15:40 |
| jroll | fungi: that's good data | 15:40 |
| evrardjp | indeed | 15:41 |
| njohnston | evrardjp: It was at a summit, I decided to go to a session about oslo matters and dependency management of some kind... in Tokyo perhaps? | 15:41 |
| mnaser | i will gladly make lanyards or stickers to avoid wearing a party hat :-) | 15:41 |
| mnaser | but sure | 15:41 |
| asettle | HAHA mnaser okay, party hats can be vetoed. But basically, come along and we'll chat to you if you're not wearing _thing_ | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | I think the party hat makes us more accessible :) | 15:41 |
| mnaser | or the osf can give us drink tickets and you only can only get one from tc members | 15:41 |
| mnaser | bahaha | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | but hey | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | anyway | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | we've got two ideas there | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | 1) the lunch | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | 2) the mixer | 15:42 |
| zaneb | mnaser: I spot a tiny flaw in that plan ;) | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | can we do both? | 15:42 |
| asettle | We can? | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | someone said lunch might be hard to organise... how can we know more? | 15:42 |
| mnaser | before we go too far | 15:42 |
| mnaser | we need to talk to the osf and make sure it can work | 15:42 |
| mnaser | there might be plans put in place from months ago | 15:43 |
| ricolin | Also bring the sticker/t-shirt idea to OSF too | 15:43 |
| asettle | I think mnaser answered your question evrardjp - talk to osf | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | ok | 15:43 |
| fungi | oh, one other "lunch with the tc" anecdote, at least once when we did that by the time the tc members could make their way to the room where it was being held, random folks had already co-opted it as space to eat their own lunch and taken the tc member flags off the tables and stuck them in random corners or under tables | 15:43 |
| asettle | HAHAHA | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | hahah | 15:44 |
| asettle | Why does that not shock me | 15:44 |
| fungi | so even the tc members couldn't find available seats at their designated tables, or find their tables at all for that matter | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | yeah and not everyone is into the "hey can I crash ~your~ my table?" | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | though it would be a nice icebreaker | 15:45 |
| evrardjp | if that's how you call it | 15:45 |
| fungi | or, "hey is there a flag stand stashed under your table? can you let me know if my name is listed on it? | 15:45 |
| evrardjp | or maybe it's my sense of humor talking here | 15:45 |
| evrardjp | hahaha | 15:45 |
| asettle | Alright | 15:47 |
| asettle | So | 15:47 |
| asettle | What's next? | 15:47 |
| asettle | Or, anything else? | 15:47 |
| evrardjp | well we were still at the sessions | 15:47 |
| evrardjp | making sure we didn't forget something | 15:47 |
| ricolin | do we have actions out of above discussion?:) | 15:48 |
| evrardjp | I am opening old etherpads :) | 15:48 |
| evrardjp | ricolin: yes, talk to the OSF to find out what's possible | 15:48 |
| evrardjp | I will ping ttx as the grand ruler from its french side and see who can I ping | 15:48 |
| ricolin | okay | 15:49 |
| ricolin | evrardjp, thx | 15:49 |
| evrardjp | maybe it would be worth redoing a "outreach session" now that we'd be in a completely different public? | 15:50 |
| evrardjp | "community feedback" | 15:51 |
| ricolin | I think that will be useful | 15:52 |
| * ttx catches up | 15:52 | |
| evrardjp | thanks mnaser for submitting btw | 15:52 |
| asettle | +1 | 15:52 |
| mnaser | np | 15:54 |
| ttx | evrardjp: if you send me (or fungi or diablo) an email, I can forward it internally to the summit org people | 15:56 |
| evrardjp | sounds good | 15:57 |
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| fungi | i suggest the tc go ahead and choose the name for the "v" cycle now: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2019-September/002794.html | 16:31 |
| fungi | there's probably a very reasonable, consensual option for it | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:32 |
| mnaser | vexxhost? | 16:35 |
| * mnaser drops mic and walks out | 16:35 | |
| fungi | hah, perfect | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | "The OpenStack community is please to announce the release of OpenStack Vexxhost." :D | 16:36 |
| jroll | I'm sure legal would love that one :P | 16:36 |
| jroll | is "OpenStack Vancouver" too easy? | 16:36 |
| jroll | also \o/ for vancouver in june | 16:37 |
| fungi | yeah, it would not result in the requisite quantity of community angst over the naming process | 16:37 |
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| zaneb | fungi: this sounds a lot like a challenge to find other obscure place names in BC starting with V | 16:44 |
| fungi | yeah, probably none nearby vancouver | 16:45 |
| fungi | oh, wait... ;) | 16:45 |
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| evrardjp | :) | 16:46 |
| * fungi does actually really enjoy victoria, more than vancouver even | 16:50 | |
| dhellmann | asettle , njohnston : it's your turn to set the example now ;-) | 16:51 |
| ttx | well | 16:55 |
| ttx | TEchnically Vancouver is not a summit | 16:55 |
| ttx | so we have a gap in the rules. | 16:55 |
| ttx | In theory we should choose from where last summit happened. Which brings us back to Shanghai | 16:56 |
| fungi | right, technically there is no v summit, so we need a new process for that one either way | 16:56 |
| * ttx goes back in the corner | 16:56 | |
| fungi | or, yeah, you'd consider the u summit to also be the v summit | 16:56 |
| ttx | this is how it worked in the past | 16:56 |
| fungi | i suppose that's one possible interpretation | 16:56 |
| ttx | The Cactus/Diablo situation | 16:57 |
| fungi | oh, was there no summit between cactus and diablo? that predates me slightly | 16:57 |
| ttx | There was no summit between Bexar and cactus | 16:57 |
| fungi | ahh | 16:57 |
| ttx | so cactus still related to the San Antonio summit | 16:57 |
| ttx | back when we did 3-month releases | 16:58 |
| ttx | good trivia | 16:58 |
| fungi | indeed | 16:58 |
| * fungi sticks that in his pocket for later use | 16:58 | |
| ttx | So I'd say that if we want vancouver we still need to adjust the rules one way or another | 16:58 |
| ttx | not urgent | 16:58 |
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| zaneb | technically it says "summit" and not "Summit", so while there will not be a Summit we will be having a summit and Vancouver is thus legit | 17:00 |
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| fungi | i like zaneb's attention to capitalization | 17:01 |
| fungi | good thing we didn't write the rules in german | 17:01 |
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| gmann | ttx: evrardjp main idea of separating those is to discuss implementation details for U cycle and start gathering the idea for V cycle as first phase. | 17:22 |
| gmann | ttx: evrardjp if I read it correctly, I need to submit those or those are already submitted ? | 17:23 |
| zaneb | gmann: you should submit them | 17:23 |
| zaneb | gmann: or tell ttx that you are not going to submit them (in which case he will do it) | 17:24 |
| gmann | zaneb: ok. I will submit. thanks | 17:24 |
| gmann | ah, just read the comment on etherpad. | 17:26 |
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| evrardjp | thanks zaneb and gmann | 18:13 |
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| gmann | done. | 18:35 |
| evrardjp | zaneb: I like your style on the "summit" conversation ;) | 19:40 |
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