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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Appoint Ben Nemec as Oslo PTL https://review.opendev.org/718655 | 10:35 |
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| ricolin | o/ | 15:02 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:03 |
| cloudnull | o/ | 15:03 |
| ttx | Looking at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/victoria-leaderless we seem to be making good progress | 15:03 |
| ricolin | bnemec, thanks for step in for oslo:) | 15:04 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 15:04 |
| ttx | Currently we are set to consider dropping Congress, packagingRPM, Tacker and Tricircle in Victoria. | 15:05 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | I am talking with packaging rpm | 15:05 |
| ttx | At one point we'll need to communicate more widely about that. But we need to be careful in how we do that. I don;t want to burn our contributor goodwill to save peripheral low-activity projects | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | I talked about it in their last meeting, but we had to postpone due to ppl not present | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | exactly I didn't force them on continuing | 15:06 |
| gmann | I was talking for Tacker in NEC and NTT and good news that NTT developer is ready to step up for PTL. he might be announcing on ML soon | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | I just asked where it's heading | 15:06 |
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| ttx | Nobody should feel compelled to save those projects -- it's arguably not the best idea to keep them on life support | 15:07 |
| ttx | Oslo was another thing, as we needed a solution there | 15:07 |
| ttx | Re: who votes on what, this ais a bit of a grey territory | 15:08 |
| ttx | Might make sense to wait for the final election results | 15:09 |
| ttx | as the Victoria TC will have to live by the results | 15:09 |
| ttx | although for the volunteer PTLs I feel like we could go faster | 15:09 |
| ttx | fungi: re: Infrastructure -- was the topic of a SIG ever discussed there ? | 15:10 |
| ttx | Personally I think it would work, as the OpenStack-Infra team is more of a core review team than a hierarchy with a top decider | 15:11 |
| fungi | ttx: it has come up a few times in passing, nobody seemed opposed | 15:11 |
| fungi | now that most of its git repos have exited, it's less of a code-producing team anyway, officially speaking | 15:11 |
| ttx | The only accountability necessary would be the OSF advisory group person | 15:11 |
| ttx | and I guess the SIG could propose a name that the TC would vet | 15:12 |
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| ttx | without formal need of a "PTL" | 15:12 |
| fungi | i would see the the infrastructure sig as the subcommunity within openstack which overlaps with the opendev contributors, basically | 15:12 |
| ttx | yes | 15:12 |
| ttx | anyone up for starting a thread on that? | 15:13 |
| ttx | Last one open is I18n, and I think SIG transition is basically acted there | 15:13 |
| ricolin | think so | 15:13 |
| mugsie | i honestly thought that had already happened -_- | 15:14 |
| fungi | clarkb: do you think an ml thread about repainting the infra team as a sig would be best coming from someone on the infra team? if so i'm happy to draft something | 15:14 |
| ttx | I can probably draft something, but not sure i can get to it immediately | 15:15 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya that might help communicate it isn't coming from on high | 15:15 |
| fungi | cool, i'll pass something around | 15:15 |
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| ttx | To me it's like i18n, i could go either way. Same case: nobody volunteering for PTL and team not really needing one. | 15:27 |
| clarkb | ttx: I think the ideal to me is some sort of combo of qa/infra stuff | 15:28 |
| clarkb | we've basically pulled the operational concerns out of the scope for that team which was the big conflict with the qa work before | 15:28 |
| ttx | If Release management decided that PTLs are useless we could also SIGify. The difference is really about who arbitrates the (extremely rare) conflicts -- in one case there is a person supposed to do that (PTL) and in the other the TC would step in | 15:28 |
| clarkb | now its mostly about maintining the tooling to test things and such | 15:28 |
| clarkb | But I think that transition will probably be slow if it ever happens | 15:29 |
| ttx | clarkb: I agree there is also the option of some QA+Infra thing, in the same way there is potential for Release+Stable+Requirements | 15:29 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:30 |
| jungleboyj | fungi: Thanks for starting the ML thread on an infra sig. Think that is the way to go. | 15:34 |
| fungi | well, i haven't started it so far, don't thank me just yet ;) | 15:36 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Thank you for taking it. | 15:46 |
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| mnaser | i agreew ith ttx on the "lets not try so hard to keep those projects on life support" | 22:44 |
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