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openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Add nomination for TC chair https://review.opendev.org/720545 | 07:48 |
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evrardjp | mnaser: I have rebased your patch ^ . When someone else has a vote on this, I will merge it, and remove myself from the chair group. | 07:55 |
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ricolin | tc-members, as discussed in tacker meeting today, I will help tacker team to manage an election for PTL role with candidates Yasufumi Ogawa and Hyunsik Yang. And people contribute within an year will be invited in this election. The deadline will be Thursday 2359 UTC. | 08:32 |
evrardjp | ok so there were two candidates fighting over the seat of ptl | 08:37 |
evrardjp | that's interesting | 08:37 |
evrardjp | ricolin: can you vote on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/720545/ please? | 08:38 |
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ricolin | evrardjp, done | 08:47 |
ricolin | mnaser, congrats:) | 08:47 |
evrardjp | Merged and removed myself from the group | 08:52 |
evrardjp | I think we are set up | 08:52 |
ttx | o/ | 08:57 |
ttx | mnaser: congrats! | 08:57 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add nomination for TC chair https://review.opendev.org/720545 | 08:58 |
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evrardjp | what's up everyone ? | 09:12 |
ttx | I'll file the changes to migrate Infra team to SIG | 09:19 |
ricolin | evrardjp, ttx is there tool I can get all emails who commit to Tacker project within an year? | 09:22 |
evrardjp | better ask in the elections repo | 09:25 |
evrardjp | I mean in the elections chan | 09:26 |
evrardjp | and maybe it's in the elections repo | 09:26 |
ttx | ricolin: fungi might be able to extract that data for you, or you can try tools from the election repo | 09:27 |
ricolin | thx for the hint | 09:52 |
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ttx | hey tc-members, I'm preparing the infra sig changes... Any volunteer to [co-]chair that SIG? Ideally the TC-designated Opendev advisory council member would be one. | 11:42 |
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mnaser | ttx: i wouldn't want to volunteer someone but i think maybe we can ask andreas, i think he'd be an excellent person for this type of thing tbh. | 12:51 |
openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/election master: Add extra-ATCs from sigs-repos into the electorate https://review.opendev.org/721604 | 12:55 |
ttx | mnaser: I asked him in #openstack-infra | 12:56 |
mnaser | cool | 12:56 |
mnaser | i have added chair emiratus (including evrardjp) back up to the group. i think we trust them enough not to merge random things and i think it's nice to have them noted somewhere :) | 12:57 |
evrardjp | ok | 12:59 |
openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Move i18n into a SIG https://review.opendev.org/721605 | 13:02 |
openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/election master: Add extra-ATCs from sigs-repos into the electorate https://review.opendev.org/721604 | 13:03 |
evrardjp | o/ | 13:03 |
evrardjp | IIRC we were to meet today | 13:03 |
evrardjp | for ending up the things | 13:03 |
evrardjp | who is available? | 13:04 |
evrardjp | oh I am probably two hours in advance | 13:11 |
mnaser | i should be available | 13:16 |
evrardjp | we don't have many remaining to deal with | 13:25 |
gmann | ricolin: thanks. will you send the election notice to ML ? | 13:25 |
gmann | evrardjp: i am here | 13:25 |
evrardjp | woot | 13:25 |
openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Move i18n into a SIG https://review.opendev.org/721605 | 13:26 |
evrardjp | mnaser and other tc-members: we haven't yet a spot in the vPTG. We should probably figure that one out. | 13:28 |
ttx | evrardjp: you should probably first submit the change to openstack/governance-sigs creating that SIG | 13:29 |
openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/election master: Add extra-ATCs from sigs-repos into the electorate https://review.opendev.org/721604 | 13:30 |
knikolla | o/ | 13:30 |
ttx | (I'm holding on the Infra SIG until I can find who would co-lead it | 13:30 |
mnaser | how many slots y'all think we need? | 13:31 |
mnaser | i guess it would also be good to start the etherpad to collect what we want to discuss in the first place | 13:31 |
mnaser | and that'll give us a reasonable timeframe | 13:31 |
mnaser | tc-members: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-victoria-ptg let's start filling this out | 13:37 |
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evrardjp | ttx: I am not yet creating the SIG, me thinks I am just pushing a PoC out there, for first reviews/feel | 13:41 |
ttx | ah ok | 13:41 |
ttx | I might do so as well | 13:41 |
evrardjp | well, yours is not involving changes in elections, does it? | 13:41 |
evrardjp | : p | 13:41 |
evrardjp | though, why not... | 13:42 |
ricolin | tc-members: as an action from yesterday TC meeting and Tacker meeting today, a poll for Tacker PTL will hold until Thursday within tacker team. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-April/014311.html | 13:42 |
evrardjp | thanks ricolin | 13:42 |
openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: Creating the Testing and Collaboration Tools SIG https://review.opendev.org/721619 | 13:43 |
jungleboyj | ricolin: Thanks! | 13:43 |
openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Infrastructure project team is now the TaCT SIG https://review.opendev.org/721621 | 13:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: Creating the i18n SIG https://review.opendev.org/721624 | 13:49 |
evrardjp | ttx: I followed your lead, and I proposed it in SIGs too :D | 13:53 |
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gmann | o/ | 15:00 |
evrardjp | o/ | 15:00 |
gmann | meeting time | 15:00 |
evrardjp | #startmeeting tc | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 21 15:01:24 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is evrardjp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:01 |
jungleboyj | o/ Only kind of here. In another important meeting. Will try to follow along if I can. | 15:01 |
evrardjp | #topic leaderless projects part 2 | 15:01 |
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njohnston | o/ | 15:01 |
evrardjp | who is available? | 15:01 |
gmann | o/ | 15:02 |
belmoreira | o/ | 15:02 |
evrardjp | I have taken notes in the etherpad, based on last meeting | 15:03 |
evrardjp | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/victoria-leaderless | 15:03 |
evrardjp | so we covered infra yesterday, so the next one should be LOCI | 15:03 |
evrardjp | #topic loci | 15:03 |
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* gmann 8 voted available on doodle :) | 15:03 | |
njohnston | tc-members leaderless projects meeting ping | 15:04 |
evrardjp | thanks for the clarification gmann: Worth pinging them manually if they haven't shown up? | 15:04 |
knikolla | o/ | 15:04 |
mnaser | bonjour | 15:05 |
gmann | mugsie: cloudnull ricolin ping for meeting | 15:05 |
evrardjp | good morning to you :) | 15:05 |
cloudnull | o/ | 15:06 |
evrardjp | I think the first topic is quite easy to deal with, so maybe we should just get started | 15:06 |
evrardjp | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/718933/ | 15:06 |
evrardjp | it doesnt' show up in code-review, because I had to rebase multiple times, but this was approved by the PTL of OSH. So I think we should go ahead there. | 15:07 |
njohnston | +1 | 15:07 |
gmann | make sense. | 15:07 |
evrardjp | if you haven't voted there please do :) | 15:07 |
evrardjp | the usual suspects have voted :D | 15:08 |
evrardjp | next topic then | 15:08 |
evrardjp | #topic packaging-rpm | 15:08 |
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evrardjp | so for that it's an open question, IMO | 15:09 |
evrardjp | I have pinged the folks in their channel | 15:09 |
evrardjp | they would be okay with a SIG, but also okay with a project without PTL | 15:09 |
evrardjp | they don't want to change much of their structure for now, as they don't know yet what the future will be made of | 15:09 |
evrardjp | They want to discuss that internally before coming up with a proposal | 15:10 |
evrardjp | I intend to help them on the way, if necessary phase them out (option 5) | 15:10 |
gmann | but what is reason of not have PTL when they have maintainer ? | 15:10 |
evrardjp | I think this project could be a good "tentative" of option 4 | 15:10 |
evrardjp | because they don't really need one | 15:10 |
evrardjp | if I understood correctly | 15:11 |
evrardjp | they are already very distributed, with people sharing the duties, but all equally | 15:11 |
evrardjp | and all equally* | 15:11 |
evrardjp | So my question here: Can we have a deadline for their conversations and reconvene? | 15:11 |
evrardjp | Would that be okay for you all? | 15:12 |
njohnston | Are there any downsides towards making them a SIG? | 15:12 |
gmann | for community goal and so we need at least point of contact. otherwise it is very difficult for champion | 15:12 |
evrardjp | I think the downside is to move towards a new structure, if later they will just drop the project | 15:12 |
evrardjp | that's fair gmann | 15:12 |
evrardjp | but I am not sure how they map to future or recent community goals, due to their different nature | 15:13 |
gmann | there is no release form them right ? | 15:13 |
evrardjp | they do release some artifacts, but I think those are _independent | 15:13 |
gmann | i see | 15:13 |
njohnston | the thing is a PTL-less project is also a novel structure - even more so because we are still figuring out the rules for how a PTL-less project will work | 15:13 |
evrardjp | (like pymod2pkg) | 15:14 |
evrardjp | rpm-packaging is untagged, but branched | 15:14 |
evrardjp | njohnston: yup | 15:15 |
evrardjp | here I am merely asking if we are okay to give them a delay to rethink if they should exist too | 15:15 |
evrardjp | I think it's a fair question | 15:15 |
evrardjp | and I understand why they need to think about it | 15:15 |
njohnston | I am fine with reconvening but if we talk to them and they don't have an opinion, then I think it would be good to have an idea of where we would take it, if it is left up to us | 15:15 |
evrardjp | fine for me | 15:16 |
evrardjp | even though they don't like the answer | 15:16 |
gmann | +1 | 15:16 |
evrardjp | even though they might not like the answer* | 15:16 |
njohnston | +1 for waiting period for discussion and discernment | 15:16 |
evrardjp | reconvene in a week? | 15:16 |
njohnston | maybe we can handle it in next week's Thursday office hours? | 15:16 |
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evrardjp | sounds good to me | 15:17 |
evrardjp | gmann: opinion? | 15:17 |
gmann | +1 | 15:17 |
njohnston | tc office hours is right after their team meeting | 15:17 |
evrardjp | I am pinging you because it seems only the 3 of us are really active here :p | 15:17 |
evrardjp | njohnston: oh that's perfect! | 15:17 |
gmann | nice. | 15:17 |
evrardjp | though most of them are european, so it might be late | 15:18 |
evrardjp | iirc | 15:18 |
evrardjp | meh | 15:18 |
gmann | evrardjp: but we might need to check with release team or you can tell :) if that delay any of the release activity from their side ? | 15:18 |
evrardjp | it's work from home pandemic time nowadays anyway | 15:18 |
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evrardjp | I don't think we should change this for the current release | 15:18 |
evrardjp | though I don't expect a change for the coordinated release | 15:18 |
evrardjp | because of the release model | 15:19 |
evrardjp | I have to double check | 15:19 |
gmann | i mean current release is all good from their side right or waiting for new PTL to do? | 15:19 |
gmann | ok. | 15:19 |
ricolin | o/ | 15:19 |
ricolin | sorry I'm late | 15:19 |
evrardjp | gmann: what I meant is that they will have no need to tag, AFAIK, their main repos (only to branch), so no impact there. And the independent should also be no impact | 15:20 |
evrardjp | but I will double check | 15:20 |
evrardjp | just to make sure I didn't forget a deliverable or something | 15:20 |
gmann | evrardjp: i see, thanks | 15:20 |
evrardjp | let's reconvene next week Thursday at the office hours | 15:20 |
evrardjp | moving on then | 15:20 |
evrardjp | #topic tricircle | 15:21 |
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evrardjp | it seems we don't have any candidate interested, and the tc is pretty much pointing to option 5. | 15:21 |
evrardjp | anyone wants to take this, like njohnston did? | 15:21 |
knikolla | ++ | 15:21 |
gmann | I was checking the ussuri activity and it is almost same as Congress. no project related work. just doc or py2 drop patches merged | 15:22 |
gmann | #link https://www.stackalytics.com/?metric=commits&release=ussuri&module=tricircle-group | 15:22 |
gmann | so it is clearly un-maintained | 15:22 |
evrardjp | yeah | 15:22 |
gmann | evrardjp: i can take | 15:22 |
gmann | so we are going with same approach - ML + retire from openstack + import to x/ | 15:22 |
evrardjp | yeah let's keep it existing in current release and deprecate it to the next, like congress | 15:22 |
gmann | to double check | 15:23 |
evrardjp | yeah maybe no need to import to x | 15:23 |
evrardjp | if necessary, they will re-import to x :p | 15:23 |
evrardjp | or maybe I missed the thing? | 15:23 |
gmann | you mean keep in openstack/ namespace ? | 15:23 |
evrardjp | oh wait, yeah that doesn't seem right | 15:23 |
evrardjp | my bad :p | 15:23 |
gmann | that is confusion for me too. | 15:23 |
ricolin | :) | 15:23 |
evrardjp | yeah | 15:23 |
evrardjp | let's not have that confusion around | 15:23 |
gmann | retire means it has to move away from openstack/ namepspace and we also do not want to remove the code for sometime if someone come back | 15:24 |
evrardjp | if it's not official openstack it probably should move to x/ | 15:24 |
evrardjp | gmann: agreed | 15:24 |
ricolin | agreed | 15:24 |
gmann | ok. we need to check x/ namespace criteria also as clarkb pointed out if no maintainer then difficult to keep it in x/ ? if i read the email correctly ? | 15:25 |
evrardjp | I might have read this wrong too | 15:25 |
evrardjp | this wrong* | 15:25 |
gmann | may be clarkb or fungi can clarify if ok to keep under x/ without maintainer | 15:25 |
njohnston | yes I think clarkb's point is that there's no point in making it x/ without interest, so let's wait for interest to surface before creating x/ | 15:25 |
njohnston | until then it can just lie dead-headed in openstack/ | 15:26 |
clarkb | njohnston: yup exactly | 15:26 |
clarkb | we don't need an extra copy of the repo until people want to use it | 15:26 |
mnaser | njohnston: agreed -- dead-headed meaning repo with empty commit, correct? | 15:26 |
mnaser | or a commit to empty out the whole thing | 15:26 |
evrardjp | but how do you know it's retired then? just because of the HEAD of the master branch? | 15:26 |
clarkb | evrardjp: yes | 15:26 |
gmann | but we will be removing it from openstack/ name space right | 15:26 |
clarkb | gmann: no | 15:27 |
njohnston | empty in master yes, but we can keep the stable branches in case someone running an old release needs it | 15:27 |
clarkb | openstack/congress stays with an empty master commit with a readme | 15:27 |
mnaser | i think the repo will exist, it wont' be deleted, but just have an empty repo (git history is still there) | 15:27 |
clarkb | thatreadme can say "this is how we can help you fork" | 15:27 |
ricolin | once we cut ussuri, master will be dead | 15:27 |
njohnston | it's still a valid choice for someone to want to run congress with their stable/rocky cloud, we should not break that | 15:28 |
gmann | and if anyone want to maintain it it can be from last available stable version .. | 15:28 |
evrardjp | It's consistent with what we've done for other things | 15:28 |
evrardjp | see for example: https://opendev.org/openstack/astara | 15:28 |
ricolin | gmann, njohnston that sounds right to me | 15:28 |
gmann | yeah. | 15:28 |
gmann | I agree not to have extra copy in x/ | 15:29 |
evrardjp | so yeah, ML + deprecations of master, and if necessary, people will fork in x/ when they want to | 15:29 |
gmann | thanks clarkb for clarification. | 15:29 |
gmann | evrardjp: yeah. | 15:29 |
gmann | evrardjp: i will ping you on release channel to have ussuri release for its deliverable. | 15:30 |
evrardjp | and yeah that didn't seem right to keep the project up in openstack/ open, but that's right for existing branches, and for HEAD of master, IMO, so let's continue the way it is :) | 15:30 |
evrardjp | gmann: lgtm | 15:30 |
evrardjp | I think we have something pending by smcginnis | 15:30 |
evrardjp | already | 15:30 |
gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/721468/ | 15:31 |
gmann | nice ^^ | 15:31 |
evrardjp | yeah I don't expect the PTL to vote on this. We might need to work to fix the CI :/ | 15:31 |
evrardjp | (not sure why validate is broken, whether it's from releases or from tricircle) | 15:32 |
evrardjp | (but I doubt it's from releases :p ) | 15:32 |
fungi | gmann: sorry, like yesterday, this is falling in the middle of another meeting clarkb and i are both in | 15:32 |
evrardjp | gmann: let's sync over this in the release channel | 15:32 |
evrardjp | fungi: don't worry, we got it! :) | 15:33 |
gmann | fungi: np!. clarkb clarified now. all good. | 15:33 |
evrardjp | and sorry for the interruption | 15:33 |
evrardjp | we wanted to be double sure :) | 15:33 |
smcginnis | evrardjp: Looks like the repo has issues. | 15:33 |
* evrardjp considers that he should work on his memory issues :p | 15:34 | |
smcginnis | Problem with the README file and can't build an sdist. | 15:34 |
evrardjp | classic | 15:34 |
evrardjp | :D | 15:34 |
evrardjp | let's deal with it in release | 15:34 |
gmann | yeah | 15:34 |
evrardjp | I think that's all for today | 15:35 |
evrardjp | am I correct? | 15:35 |
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njohnston | agreed | 15:35 |
gmann | yeah. | 15:35 |
njohnston | good job all | 15:35 |
ricolin | nice job evrardjp :) | 15:35 |
evrardjp | please note that I have started to work on the i18n | 15:35 |
evrardjp | so if you could have a look at my patch in governance that would be awesome | 15:36 |
evrardjp | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/721605/ | 15:36 |
evrardjp | anyway | 15:36 |
evrardjp | thanks everyone for working on this | 15:36 |
evrardjp | let's reconvene in the office hours for progress updates | 15:36 |
gmann | thanks all and evrardjp for chair. | 15:37 |
evrardjp | :) | 15:37 |
evrardjp | #endmeeting | 15:37 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 21 15:37:13 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:37 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-04-21-15.01.html | 15:37 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-04-21-15.01.txt | 15:37 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-04-21-15.01.log.html | 15:37 |
evrardjp | damn I did my job poorly again | 15:37 |
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evrardjp | this time I forgot the actions | 15:37 |
evrardjp | yesterday I forgot to start meeting | 15:37 |
evrardjp | omg | 15:37 |
gmann | :) np! | 15:38 |
evrardjp | thanks for dealing with my pebkacs | 15:38 |
evrardjp | :D | 15:38 |
njohnston | :) | 15:38 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Fold LOCI into OpenStack-Helm https://review.opendev.org/718933 | 15:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Ian Y. Choi proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: Creating the i18n SIG https://review.opendev.org/721624 | 19:38 |
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