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| openstackgerrit | Zhang Chi proposed openstack/election master: Add Chi Zhang candidancy for Tricircle PTL https://review.opendev.org/729103 | 04:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhang Chi proposed openstack/election master: Add Zhang Chi candidancy for Tricircle PTL https://review.opendev.org/729103 | 04:03 |
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| fungi | i guess someone saw the changes to retire tricircle | 04:26 |
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| ttx | I wish resources would show up before we actively stop doing things. This type of saving is wasteful | 12:10 |
| ttx | Like do we have to stop openstack infra for people to show up and help sysadmining it? | 12:11 |
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| cloudnull | o/ | 12:34 |
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| gmann | tc-memnbers: Gentle reminder to vote for this goal - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/728158/ | 14:39 |
| gmann | tc-members: During Tricircle retirement process, Zhang is coming up and want to maintain it for Victoria cycle (as you can see above PTL nomination patch). In Ussuri also there is no project-specific activities and all the horizontal teams, infra, QA, release are spending their bandwidth on maintaining their CI/CD and releases. | 14:49 |
| gmann | We need to discuss how to proceed on this. | 14:50 |
| mugsie | gmann: they can work outside the release in x/* and if they get back to speed, we can re-consider IMHO | 14:50 |
| gmann | One idea is to ask them to continue development in X namespace and then bring back under governance with active team and all | 14:50 |
| gmann | mugsie: yeah | 14:51 |
| njohnston | Yes that was my inclination as well, what mugsie said | 14:51 |
| fungi | the "x" namespace is not specifically an openstack incubator, it's just a catch-all for projects who didn't ask for any specific namespace when we migrated to the new repository layout. remember that https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20190711-mandatory-repository-retirement.html essentially says they need to retire the copy in the openstack namespace and start a new fork somewhere (could | 14:57 |
| fungi | be in "x" or a new namespace or even outside of opendev.org if they have somewhere they'd rather do their development) | 14:57 |
| njohnston | so it sounds like the right thing to do is to talk to Zhang about how to proceed | 14:58 |
| gmann | true, it has to be retired from OpenStack namespace and with active team they propose the x namespace slot. | 14:58 |
| gmann | njohnston: yeah, i will check with him how Zhang wan to proceed | 14:59 |
| njohnston | thanks gmann | 14:59 |
| fungi | also that resolution was intended expressly for situations like this, because we've had a number of projects say they'd continue after being obviously dead, but then that ultimately doesn't happen and they continue to be dead but outside of openstack tc jurisdiction where there's no longer any way to make sure they're correctly retired | 14:59 |
| gmann | we cannot have that back as openstack projects and end up this situation in W cycle again | 14:59 |
| jroll | it doesn't seem like tricircle has done any significant work, outside of minor bugfixes, since early 2019 | 15:00 |
| jroll | if we wanted to retire tricircle until someone stood for PTL *2 months late*, does someone standing for it really change it? | 15:00 |
| jroll | seems like it should be retired, and Zhang should decide where/how | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | gmann agree that we should have them move out to x/ namespace and have them return if appropriate. | 15:01 |
| mnaser | x feels like a dead place | 15:50 |
| mnaser | i'm tempted to have projects get demoted to stackforge and then finally x | 15:51 |
| njohnston | mnaser: I don't think they would ever leave stackforge, there would be no impetus pushing us to do it. Given the inconvenience of a repo move, unless we have a push it isnt going to happen. | 15:52 |
| mnaser | if they would never leave stackforge and they're not moving then they get moved to x | 15:53 |
| mnaser | but yeah | 15:53 |
| mnaser | dont think its also the best idea ever so im ok with what we have | 15:53 |
| fungi | i have some metrics suggesting there's quite a lot of activity in at least some projects in the x namespace | 15:53 |
| fungi | in 2019, repositories currently in the x namespace merged 4420 changes | 15:54 |
| fungi | that's roughly 9% as many as were merged in the openstack namespace, but still ~4x how many were merged in the zuul namespace | 15:55 |
| fungi | so it's not entirely a "dead" space | 15:56 |
| njohnston | and there's stuff that a fair number of people use on a daily basis out there, like https://opendev.org/x/os-log-merger - it may not have a strong velocity of commits, but if there was a bug it'd be fixed quickly | 15:56 |
| fungi | 393 repositories in x saw at least some activity in 2019 (including review comments) | 15:56 |
| * fungi is working on some engagement reporting automation in https://review.opendev.org/729293 | 15:57 | |
| njohnston | networking plugins, testing frameworks like browbeat and tobiko, and charms all seem. to have life in them | 15:58 |
| gmann | x/whitebox-tempest-plugin is another example coming from x/ where it was implemented as initial working version | 15:59 |
| mnaser | fungi: left you some impromptu review ;) | 15:59 |
| fungi | thanks mnaser! | 15:59 |
| fungi | you rock!!! | 15:59 |
| gmann | fungi: do you have some cleanup/remove process from X/ if not active ? or any other criteria | 15:59 |
| fungi | gmann: we don't delete repositories | 15:59 |
| fungi | we encourage them to follow a consistent retirement process by documenting one in the opendev manual | 16:00 |
| gmann | ok | 16:00 |
| fungi | but we don't want to be the judge of whether a project is "dead" or just "feature complete" | 16:00 |
| mnaser | \o/ fungi | 16:01 |
| fungi | however, the engagement metrics i'm working on won't include stats from projects which had no activity (and on my next revision it will use similar criteria for which namespaces to include stats for as well) | 16:01 |
| ttx | for me it's just a question of accountability | 16:02 |
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| ttx | Do we have trust that the project can deliver a working release in 6 months, if it did miss the election and the leaderless process for a month around Ussuri release time | 16:02 |
| ttx | If we don't, the project can continue just OK outside of the coordinated release | 16:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/governance master: Fix bullet list formatting for drop-py2 goal https://review.opendev.org/729314 | 16:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/governance master: Add QA projeect also in py3.5 support list. https://review.opendev.org/729325 | 16:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/governance master: Add QA branchless projects also in py3.5 support list. https://review.opendev.org/729325 | 16:49 |
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