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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/governance master: Add storyboard link to migrate-to-focal goal https://review.opendev.org/738129 | 01:42 |
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| mnaser | tc-members: eyes on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/737590/ if possible, please? :) | 13:21 |
| mnaser | and let us start gathering votes on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/738105/ for gouthamr =] | 13:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: No longer track refstack repos in governance https://review.opendev.org/737962 | 13:32 |
| njohnston | aye aye captain | 13:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: TC Guide Follow Ups https://review.opendev.org/737650 | 13:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add storyboard link to migrate-to-focal goal https://review.opendev.org/738129 | 13:34 |
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| gmann | o/ | 13:50 |
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| knikolla | o/ | 14:30 |
| gmann | clarkb: fungi AJaeger does these renaming applies for 'openstack/' -> 'x/' namespace also https://docs.opendev.org/opendev/infra-manual/latest/creators.html#project-renames | 14:38 |
| gmann | i remember we talked it earlier but making sure | 14:39 |
| fungi | gmann: i don't understand the question | 14:40 |
| gmann | networking-l2gw has active maintainer and they want to continue the development under x/ namespace. and it is under openstack/ now but retired so we have to complete the retirement for it. | 14:40 |
| fungi | makes sense so far | 14:40 |
| gmann | fungi: instead of deleting the code just rename to keep history etc - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/738035/ | 14:40 |
| gmann | till now we use to retire (means delete code from openstack/) as there were no maintainer but in this case repo is active but cannot stay under openstack/ as it is not official project | 14:41 |
| fungi | gmann: that's precisely the sort of situation which prompted us to enact https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20190711-mandatory-repository-retirement.html | 14:42 |
| fungi | doesn't matter whether there are active maintainers | 14:42 |
| gmann | humm | 14:42 |
| fungi | we need a retired copy of the repository in the openstack namespace and to not redirect the old repository to the new name specifically so that people who are consuming the source code know it's no longer an official part of openstack | 14:43 |
| fungi | we've had too many cases in the past where a project left openstack governance, we renamed them, then later they became defunct, but users continued trying to use it because they never found out it wasn't an official part of openstack, and since it was by that time no longer under the tc's jurisdiction there was no way to properly signal that the project was dead/abandoned/unmaintained | 14:44 |
| tosky | now I shouldn't ask this, but this didn't happen for refstack, just moved under osf | 14:44 |
| gmann | for dead/abandoned/unmaintained it make sense. | 14:45 |
| fungi | we've made exceptions for repositories which are managed by the osf board of directors, because we have some leverage to get them to cleanly retire such projects when they're no longer maintaining them | 14:45 |
| fungi | (the openstack tc is granted certain jurisdiction directly within the osf bylaws) | 14:46 |
| gmann | yeah, osf is taken that way, | 14:47 |
| tosky | re users who continued to use the software because they didn't notice it wasn't official: does it mean the lack of the project under openstack/ namespace wasn't enough? | 14:47 |
| gmann | and no way for them to keep the history with new repo creation. | 14:47 |
| fungi | but the whole point of the mandatory retirement resolution was about projects which leave tc control when they're still actively maintained | 14:47 |
| tosky | gmann: can't they import from github or other sources when creating a repository? | 14:48 |
| fungi | the idea is that they history from when they were an official part of openstack remains in openstack, and retired. the project which continues outside openstack tc jurisdiction is a new project, a fork of the previous openstack project | 14:48 |
| tosky | I think I've seen that in the past; if that's still the case, they can push the clone to an external source with the full history | 14:48 |
| tosky | and get that imported | 14:48 |
| fungi | they can import directly from the openstack copy of the repository when creating the new repository in some other namespace | 14:48 |
| tosky | even easier | 14:48 |
| AJaeger | tosky, fungi, want to followup to my email on openstack-discuss in case it's not clear? | 14:49 |
| fungi | just set "upstream: https://opendev.org/openstack/whatever" in the gerrit/projects.yaml entry they create and our project management automation will import the original git history | 14:49 |
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| gmann | yeah let's go that way only instead of any exception here | 14:50 |
| fungi | then their first change proposed to the fork can be `git revert HEAD` | 14:50 |
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| fungi | along with an edit to the .gitreview file for the new repository namespace | 14:51 |
| fungi | and then proceed to propose new changes as usual | 14:51 |
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| AJaeger | fungi: or - as I proposed on openstack-discuss: Import current state as is without the README change - and then close under openstack | 14:54 |
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| fungi | AJaeger: sure, that works too, all depends on whether they get around to creating the projects in the new namespace before or after they're retired from the openstack namespace | 15:00 |
| fungi | if it happens after, then they'll need to propose reverts in the new repos, but otherwise the process is essentially the same | 15:00 |
| gmann | we can hold the openstack namespace for few days, anyways lajoskatona is going to start it on Monday | 15:01 |
| fungi | also if they have in-repo job definitions, forking that before the zuul configs are removed through retirement could prove problematic | 15:01 |
| AJaeger | fungi: oh, yes - we won't be able to import that... | 15:20 |
| fungi | which is why importing the retired state and then reverting might be better. that way the zuul config gets reintroduced as a proposed change in gerrit and can be tested normally | 15:21 |
| AJaeger | indeed | 15:22 |
| AJaeger | fungi: or remove .zuul.yaml, import, retire; we'll figure it out next week ;) | 15:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Update policy in code goal for glance https://review.opendev.org/738278 | 20:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Update policy in code goal for glance https://review.opendev.org/738278 | 23:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add deprecated cycle for deprecated deliverables https://review.opendev.org/737590 | 23:41 |
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