Friday, 2020-07-17

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ttxtc-members: as promised a few days ago, proposal to stop using cryptic names on the side boxes of the openstack map: https://review.opendev.org/74149510:49
evrardjpI think we should merge this idea, it was not well received, but the reception was included in the text.  THis allows recording the idea without losing it in the reviews: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/718929/212:00
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cloudnullo/12:41
evrardjpI will be on holidays in the next two weeks. Sorry for the inconvenience.13:21
gmannttx: thanks, lgtm13:22
gmannevrardjp: have a good holiday.13:23
evrardjpty13:24
openstackgerritJean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/ideas master: New communication tools proposal  https://review.opendev.org/71893213:32
gmannhttps://developer.ibm.com/blogs/istio-google-open-usage-commons/13:42
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knikollainteresting read.17:39
fungialso i did not realize than wendar wound up on the board of the ouc: https://openusage.org/news/introducing-the-open-usage-commons/17:44
fungis/than/that/17:44
gmannyeah https://openusage.org/#board17:45
knikollaoh17:49
mnaseri feel like18:14
mnaserpeople are mixing 'foundation' and 'governance' up together18:14
clarkbmnaser: they are related, I think the specific concern there is google holds 50% of the board seats for that foundation18:15
clarkbcontrast with the openstack foundation where a single company is limited to 2 seats18:15
clarkb(out of 24)18:15
mnaserthing is, they hold 2 seats only18:15
mnaserthere is an ex googler but who works somewhere else now18:16
clarkbya I don't know how real the actual concern is, but there is interaction between foundation governance and project governance which can be influenced by baord makeup18:16
knikollafrom what i read, the concern was more about the trademark18:17
knikollawith Google being regretful of letting go of the Kubernetes name.18:18
clarkbknikolla: ya I think that is google's side of things, but IBMs is basically "you've got majority of board and we have no representation"18:18
smcginnisI heard another concern today about whether it's legally possible for them to hold the trademark but not provide the governance for projects.18:19
smcginnisDon't know the details, but it sounded like it came from a reputable source.18:19
smcginnisThe other interesting thing being that they call out istio, but the application for a trademark for istio was denied.18:20
gmannand all these things create concern to contribute in Istio and all other projects18:21
smcginnisSo unless they are able to appeal that, interesting situation for it to be part of an organization who's sole purpose is to be the steward of the trademarks.18:21
knikollathis was a good read https://www.protocol.com/google-open-usage-commons-trademarks-confusion18:22
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