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ttx | tc-members: as promised a few days ago, proposal to stop using cryptic names on the side boxes of the openstack map: https://review.opendev.org/741495 | 10:49 |
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evrardjp | I think we should merge this idea, it was not well received, but the reception was included in the text. THis allows recording the idea without losing it in the reviews: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/718929/2 | 12:00 |
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cloudnull | o/ | 12:41 |
evrardjp | I will be on holidays in the next two weeks. Sorry for the inconvenience. | 13:21 |
gmann | ttx: thanks, lgtm | 13:22 |
gmann | evrardjp: have a good holiday. | 13:23 |
evrardjp | ty | 13:24 |
openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/ideas master: New communication tools proposal https://review.opendev.org/718932 | 13:32 |
gmann | https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/istio-google-open-usage-commons/ | 13:42 |
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knikolla | interesting read. | 17:39 |
fungi | also i did not realize than wendar wound up on the board of the ouc: https://openusage.org/news/introducing-the-open-usage-commons/ | 17:44 |
fungi | s/than/that/ | 17:44 |
gmann | yeah https://openusage.org/#board | 17:45 |
knikolla | oh | 17:49 |
mnaser | i feel like | 18:14 |
mnaser | people are mixing 'foundation' and 'governance' up together | 18:14 |
clarkb | mnaser: they are related, I think the specific concern there is google holds 50% of the board seats for that foundation | 18:15 |
clarkb | contrast with the openstack foundation where a single company is limited to 2 seats | 18:15 |
clarkb | (out of 24) | 18:15 |
mnaser | thing is, they hold 2 seats only | 18:15 |
mnaser | there is an ex googler but who works somewhere else now | 18:16 |
clarkb | ya I don't know how real the actual concern is, but there is interaction between foundation governance and project governance which can be influenced by baord makeup | 18:16 |
knikolla | from what i read, the concern was more about the trademark | 18:17 |
knikolla | with Google being regretful of letting go of the Kubernetes name. | 18:18 |
clarkb | knikolla: ya I think that is google's side of things, but IBMs is basically "you've got majority of board and we have no representation" | 18:18 |
smcginnis | I heard another concern today about whether it's legally possible for them to hold the trademark but not provide the governance for projects. | 18:19 |
smcginnis | Don't know the details, but it sounded like it came from a reputable source. | 18:19 |
smcginnis | The other interesting thing being that they call out istio, but the application for a trademark for istio was denied. | 18:20 |
gmann | and all these things create concern to contribute in Istio and all other projects | 18:21 |
smcginnis | So unless they are able to appeal that, interesting situation for it to be part of an organization who's sole purpose is to be the steward of the trademarks. | 18:21 |
knikolla | this was a good read https://www.protocol.com/google-open-usage-commons-trademarks-confusion | 18:22 |
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