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| diablo_rojo | So who's around for TC office hours? | 01:04 |
| gmann | o/ | 01:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello | 01:11 |
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| yoctozepto | zaneb, spotz: per my knowledge and https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/predate - the proper spelling for both meanings is the same; one could obviously use 'antedate' but that could trigger google searches :-) | 06:36 |
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| fungi | my dictionary indicates that "predate" has an additional definition which "pre-date" does not: "prey on or hunt for" | 11:32 |
| fungi | but yes they can both be used to indicate setting a date in advance | 11:33 |
| tosky | fungi: out of curiosity, isn't the predate form of pre-date a shortened version of the latter, which just ended up giving a new meaning to the existing term? Or have they have been co-existing? | 11:35 |
| njohnston | tosky fungi: the "predate" that is the verb form of predator is a homograph: it is spelled the same as "predate" to come before but sounds and means differently. Like predator, the first version has a short 'e' (like "bread") while the second, temporal sense has a long 'e' (like "creed"). | 11:42 |
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| fungi | yep, the difference in pronunciation is hard to hear over irc ;P | 11:57 |
| fungi | 12 hours until polls open, last chance to ask questions of candidates standing for election | 11:58 |
| fungi | (at least if you hope to do so before some voters begin casting their ballots) | 11:58 |
| tosky | oh, I see, thanks | 12:07 |
| tosky | I think I've never realized there was a difference | 12:09 |
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| spotz | yoctozepto: Woot!:) | 12:57 |
| spotz | The conversations my typoes cause | 12:58 |
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| fungi | just a heads up on the electoral rolls, i notice there are no extra-atcs this time around | 13:48 |
| fungi | the only extra-atc in the reference/projects.yaml file has an expiration of last year | 13:48 |
| fungi | at first i thought it might be a bug, but on closer inspection we really don't have any now that i18n became a sig and there's no extra-atcs recorded in their sigs record (though https://review.opendev.org/721604 would allow us to include some if they did) | 13:50 |
| smcginnis | I thought I had cleaned out all of the expired extra-atcs. Must have missed that one. | 13:54 |
| mnaser | fungi: wasn't there a script usually ran by the i18n team to update those extra atcs | 13:54 |
| mnaser | at least i thought it was a script because it seemed like an extensive list of people usually | 13:55 |
| fungi | yes, i believe there was, but since the move to a sig they haven't run it as far as i know, and also the tc would have to authorize sigs to add extra-atcs (though they could do that trivially by voting on a change which adds them to the reference/sigs-repos.yaml in the governance repo) | 13:57 |
| fungi | the pending change to the election tooling is there in the case that the tc decides sigs can have extra-atcs | 13:58 |
| spotz | I would think that the SiG members should be extra ATCs at the least if they're contributing | 14:07 |
| fungi | yeah, but to do that we need a clear definition of "sig members" | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | IIRC, part of the issue with the I18N team, which caused the need for so many extra-atcs in the past, was that translation work doesn't happen in gerrit so we can't easily extract who is "active" and who is not. | 14:12 |
| fungi | correct | 14:12 |
| fungi | they were tracked as extra-atcs in part so that the team would have a declared electorate in case there was a runoff election for ptl | 14:13 |
| fungi | the translation system doesn't have an anonymous api for extracting translator information, so election officials are unable to query it without accounts and special permission | 14:14 |
| spotz | So maybe like I did for AUCs, have the SiGs provide a list? | 14:16 |
| smcginnis | spotz: That is basically what the extra-atcs mechanism is. | 14:18 |
| spotz | ahh | 14:18 |
| fungi | yes, we've come full circle. if they provide the list as extra-atcs in the reference/sigs-repos.yaml file in the governance repo then our election tooling will add them (assuming we merge the proposed change which enables that) | 14:18 |
| fungi | that also satisfies the tc charter requirement that additions to the electorate are approved by the tc, since that repository already handles tc rollcall voting workflow | 14:23 |
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| knikolla | o/ | 14:38 |
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| ttx | Updating https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/wallaby-leaderless | 15:32 |
| ttx | gmann: did you get any answer yet for Qinling? | 15:32 |
| ttx | beyond Qinling, of the teams without candidates, seems like Karbor and Searchlight will be removed. We need to find candidates for DPL liaison roles for Oslo and Placement | 15:33 |
| ttx | So I'd focus our volunteer-search efforts on those two for the rest of the week | 15:34 |
| gmann | ttx: not yet, seems lxkong is not online. I can try to ask him in email if he has any plan otherwise we can go with option 5 | 15:42 |
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| fungi | this is a national holiday period in china, right? | 15:46 |
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| gmann | I think he is based in New Zealand | 15:49 |
| fungi | then perhaps it's a national holiday in new zealand ;) | 15:56 |
| yoctozepto | diplomatic :-) | 16:03 |
| yoctozepto | well, it's indeed Golden Week in China | 16:04 |
| yoctozepto | tomorrow is the last day of it | 16:04 |
| mnaser | i think the holidays end oct 9th afaik | 16:10 |
| yoctozepto | might be | 16:11 |
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| zaneb | question: is openlab still a thing? | 18:01 |
| zaneb | SSL cert has expired, no tweets for a year, key people like mrhillsman and hodgepodge have moved on | 18:03 |
| fungi | it's been dead for well over a year, yes | 18:05 |
| fungi | and people have been confusing it with openinfralabs.org too | 18:06 |
| zaneb | there still seems to be stuff running though | 18:07 |
| zaneb | like gophercloud CI by the looks of it | 18:08 |
| fungi | yeah, it may be on autopilot | 18:08 |
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| smcginnis | I unsubscribed ages ago, but I do still see some activity with OpenLab. | 19:00 |
| smcginnis | So I think they are still doing some things for some projects. | 19:01 |
| fungi | just not keeping the website up i guess | 19:05 |
| njohnston | good for them | 19:13 |
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| lxkong | ttx, gmann, thanks for reminder for Qinling candidacy, I'm afraid I can't go ahead with it because we failed to attract contributors from the community and there are more and more options out there in k8s. I talked with a few people, we think providing FaaS using operators on top of k8s (which may run on top of OpenStack) sounds a better approach | 20:16 |
| lxkong | zaneb: currently, some engineers from Huawei are still maintaining openlab. It provides CI resources for projects like cloud-provider-openstack, gophercloud and terraform-provider-openstack, etc. | 20:18 |
| fungi | lxkong: i suppose they're aware the openlab website has been down for at least a year | 20:19 |
| lxkong | fungi: they should, maybe just no interested in maintaining the website | 20:19 |
| fungi | when people have asked me how to get involved in openlab i've been telling them it no longer exists, because the website's ssl cert had expired over a year ago... looks like since then (sometime in may) they replaced it with a letsencrypt cert, but that too has expired nearly two months ago | 20:23 |
| zaneb | docs site is actually working (and the main landing page is actually up, just has an old cert) | 20:24 |
| lxkong | I am not sure what information the website provides, but based on my communication with the openlab maintainers, it's just a CI thing now. | 20:24 |
| lxkong | i still remember I can apply resources for experiments from the websites years ago | 20:25 |
| fungi | yeah that's interesting, docs.openlabtesting.org has been renewing its letsencrypt cert, but the main openlabtesting.org site has not | 20:25 |
| fungi | looks like they're being served from different hosting platforms | 20:26 |
| fungi | the main site looks to be a server instance in city network, while the docs site is at gitbook.com | 20:27 |
| fungi | gitbook probably has its own cert automation | 20:27 |
| gmann | lxkong: thanks for reply on Qinling, I will update the etherpad accordingly. | 20:41 |
| lxkong | gmann: ta | 20:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/election master: Add E-mail template for Combined Voting Kick-Off https://review.opendev.org/756411 | 23:17 |
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