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| jungleboyj | fungi: Ugh, the Xanadu theme wasn't getting stuck in my head until you mentioned it here. Thanks. ;-) | 12:27 |
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| fungi | yw! ;) | 12:56 |
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| jungleboyj | All, I will be a little late joining the meeting today. Will be coming home from dropping the kids off at school. | 13:20 |
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| mnaser | smcginnis: i think the email might have gotten lost in my large slew of email | 13:29 |
| mnaser | would anyone have the email subject by any chance | 13:29 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: I can't find mine either. :-) Now I don't feel so bad. | 13:30 |
| jungleboyj | I pinged Sean asking what address it came from. | 13:30 |
| mnaser | ok, i've located it | 13:30 |
| mnaser | jungleboyj: subject "Poll: OpenStack X Release Naming" | 13:31 |
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| jungleboyj | mnaser: Thanks. Found it! Now to decide which one I like. | 13:32 |
| jungleboyj | Done. Yay! | 13:41 |
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| ricolin | o/ | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | OK, good. Y'all were starting to scare me. | 14:16 |
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| mnaser | #startmeeting tc | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 15:00:32 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mnaser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:00 |
| mnaser | #topic rollcall | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:00 | |
| mnaser | o/ hello all | 15:00 |
| gmann | o/hi | 15:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 15:00 |
| mnaser | how are you gmann, belmoreira ? | 15:01 |
| mnaser | winding down for the holidays? | 15:01 |
| mnaser | "any exotic destinations you're heading off to for the holidays?" :'( | 15:01 |
| gmann | m good, how r u | 15:01 |
| gmann | from one room to other :) | 15:02 |
| mnaser | hah :) | 15:02 |
| belmoreira | hi, I'm good | 15:02 |
| mnaser | friendly tc-members ping | 15:02 |
| jungleboyj | Hey all running later than hoped period will do my best to follow along. | 15:02 |
| knikolla | o/ | 15:02 |
| belmoreira | "exotic destinations"? ahaha :) staying in the Geneva cold | 15:02 |
| belmoreira | mnaser I was expecting the meeting at 14:00 utc | 15:04 |
| mnaser | did i mess up timing | 15:04 |
| mnaser | ugh | 15:04 |
| belmoreira | np, was just to clarify | 15:04 |
| jungleboyj | I have seen multiple times planned. Not sure which is right anymore. | 15:05 |
| mnaser | no i just want to verify that so that other tc members are here | 15:05 |
| knikolla | timing is right, our calendars are a mess, haha. | 15:05 |
| mnaser | Weekly on Thursday at 1500 UTC in #openstack-tc (IRC webclient) | 15:05 |
| mnaser | ok, so it is the right time | 15:05 |
| mnaser | i will try an update all references to 1400 utc | 15:05 |
| belmoreira | my fault... the etherpad is wrong | 15:06 |
| mnaser | belmoreira: do share so we can fix it :) | 15:06 |
| mnaser | we have gmann, jungleboyj, knikolla, belmoreira and me ... so we have 'quorum' though that might not matter that much if this becomes more informal | 15:06 |
| mnaser | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Follow up on past action items (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:07 | |
| mnaser | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-10-01-14.00.html | 15:07 |
| mnaser | so diablo_rojo took care of the sig-arch and k8s steering for tc ptg time whiuch was awesome | 15:08 |
| mnaser | wallaby cycle goals seem to be "progressing" (to discuss later, so lets keep going with that) | 15:08 |
| mnaser | osc gaps session was done too, privsep stuff moved, and gmann wrt tag stuff is to be discussed today :) | 15:08 |
| mnaser | #action mnaser change all reference of meeting time to go towards eavesdrop for single source of truth | 15:09 |
| mnaser | #topic OpenStack User-facing APIs and CLIs (belmoreira) | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack User-facing APIs and CLIs (belmoreira) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:09 | |
| mnaser | do we have anything to update about this, i know there's a review up by diablo_rojo based on our ptg discussions | 15:10 |
| belmoreira | Unfortunately not much from me. I have been off most of the November. | 15:10 |
| belmoreira | During the Summit/PTG I think we had a very discussion on the topic. | 15:10 |
| belmoreira | yes, I see that diablo_rojo wrote the TC resolution for the OSC. Thanks! | 15:11 |
| mnaser | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/759904 | 15:11 |
| mnaser | i think that's a good step to move toiwards | 15:11 |
| mnaser | so review on that are welcome | 15:12 |
| mnaser | i think once th is merges, there is no immediate 'follow-up' | 15:12 |
| mnaser | so maybe we should remove this discussion item, unless someone feels like we should keep it there | 15:12 |
| belmoreira | I agree | 15:13 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:13 |
| jungleboyj | Fine with me. | 15:13 |
| mnaser | #action mnaser remove openstacksdk discussions for future meetings | 15:13 |
| mnaser | #topic W cycle goal selection start | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "W cycle goal selection start (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:13 | |
| mnaser | this seems to be pretty much complete | 15:14 |
| mnaser | should we start with the next cycle early? | 15:14 |
| gmann | there is one patch to update JSON->YAML goal doc | 15:14 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/764261 | 15:14 |
| gmann | +1 on starting the next cycle goal as we do not have any proposed goal yet. | 15:15 |
| mnaser | i just +W that gmann | 15:15 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:15 |
| gmann | getting goal proposed and finding champion can take time so starting early is good idea | 15:16 |
| mnaser | gmann: should we reach out to ML to start asking? | 15:16 |
| gmann | we need to find 2 TC members to drive this | 15:16 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds like a good plan. | 15:17 |
| gmann | and yes then reaching out to ML and search from backlogs | 15:17 |
| mnaser | perhaps we should bring up over the ML for the tc members request | 15:17 |
| mnaser | as not everyone is here :) | 15:17 |
| gmann | this is schedule we should follow which seems we are already delay not early :) https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/#goal-selection-schedule | 15:17 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:18 |
| mnaser | i can draft up that email | 15:18 |
| mnaser | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/#goal-selection-schedule | 15:18 |
| mnaser | #action mnaser send email to ML to find volunteers to help drive goal selection | 15:18 |
| mnaser | anything else on this topic? | 15:19 |
| gmann | nothing from my side | 15:19 |
| mnaser | cool | 15:19 |
| mnaser | #topic Retirement for Leaderless projects (gmann) | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Retirement for Leaderless projects (gmann) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:20 | |
| mnaser | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/764530 | 15:20 |
| mnaser | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/764523 | 15:20 |
| mnaser | tc-members: we really need reviews on those... | 15:20 |
| mnaser | it is a formal-vote IMHO, not a project-update (i feel like 'removing' a project from official openstack warrants that vs a normal project update) | 15:20 |
| gmann | I think we did with project-update in past | 15:21 |
| gmann | but formal-vote make sense | 15:21 |
| mnaser | oh? well, thanks to knikolla vote we have enough and now we need to start the 3 day timeline | 15:21 |
| mnaser | so on the 5th we can merge this and we over with it | 15:22 |
| mnaser | i think that's not so bad | 15:22 |
| gmann | also these are depends on other cleanup work which I will try to reachout to respective team to merge the dependency patches. | 15:22 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22retire-searchlight%22+(status:open%20OR%20status:merged) | 15:22 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22retire-qinling%22+(status:open%20OR%20status:merged) | 15:22 |
| gmann | ocne project-config patches are merged for ACL things then I can merge the code removal one and so | 15:22 |
| mnaser | gmann: are project-config patches pending on the governance change? | 15:22 |
| gmann | mnaser: other way around. governance one is last | 15:23 |
| gmann | but having positive vote on governance patch is single for those to merge. | 15:23 |
| mnaser | gmann: i also +2'd the project-config changes too | 15:24 |
| gmann | mnaser: thanks, these # https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/764519/1 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/764534/2 | 15:24 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/764520/1 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/764532/3 | 15:25 |
| gmann | these ^^ for qinling | 15:25 |
| mnaser | gmann: i merged the zuul gating change | 15:25 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:25 |
| mnaser | let me check with opendev team if merging gerrit change projects for acl and stuff are ok right now | 15:25 |
| mnaser | and i will land it if that is the case | 15:25 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:26 |
| mnaser | gmann: feel free to ping me for project-config changes to help you with this | 15:26 |
| mnaser | once i get the ok i can merge the gerrit changes tooo | 15:26 |
| mnaser | thanks for driving this | 15:26 |
| gmann | sure, thanks | 15:27 |
| gmann | there is one more project need to retire, Karbor which diablo_rojo is taking care. reviews are not up yet | 15:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Update example and oslo code usage in JSON->YAML goal https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/764261 | 15:27 |
| mnaser | ok sounds good | 15:27 |
| mnaser | maybe i can add those as action items that we can follow up on next meeting | 15:28 |
| gmann | sounds good | 15:28 |
| mnaser | and then remove this topic | 15:28 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:28 |
| mnaser | cause i think we just need to get it done really, not much to discuss, just follow up on progress | 15:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Remove already done use-builtin-mock from goal https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/764262 | 15:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Generate the TC liaisons assignments https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/763810 | 15:28 |
| mnaser | #action gmann complete retirement of searchlight & qinling | 15:28 |
| mnaser | #action diablo_rojo complete retirement of karbor | 15:28 |
| mnaser | #action mnaser remove project retirement from agenda | 15:29 |
| mnaser | anything else? :) | 15:29 |
| gmann | that's all form me | 15:30 |
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| mnaser | #topic Audit and clean-up tags (gmann) | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Audit and clean-up tags (gmann) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:30 | |
| mnaser | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/761975/ | 15:31 |
| mnaser | there has been not much more reviews on this tag, we talked about it on the ptg, this is the minimum number of votes needed for it to merge, it's ben open for 24 days and i've posted it on the ML like 2-3 weeks | 15:31 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 15:32 |
| mnaser | i will merge it | 15:32 |
| mnaser | if someone is very unhappy they can propose a revert | 15:32 |
| gmann | I forgot to add my vote itself, done. | 15:32 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: That makes sense. Doesn't seem very contentious. | 15:32 |
| mnaser | next up is | 15:32 |
| mnaser | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/760562 | 15:32 |
| mnaser | same time line, similar situation, i will merge it a s well | 15:33 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:33 |
| gmann | once this ^^ is merge the I will start approaching to projects to apply for this tag over ML. | 15:33 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:33 |
| mnaser | anything else on this? | 15:34 |
| jungleboyj | Not from me. | 15:34 |
| gmann | nothing from me | 15:34 |
| mnaser | #topic Open Reviews | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Reviews (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:34 | |
| mnaser | not sure who put up the dashboard link but it seems that it's borked | 15:34 |
| gmann | yeah, i pasted that but seems it is invalid now :) | 15:35 |
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| mnaser | FYI - https://review.opendev.org/759904 is ready to land but gouthamr had some comments for diablo_rojo that i think would be useful to address | 15:35 |
| mnaser | i'll just hold off a bit for that | 15:35 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/governance+status:open | 15:36 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, all-in-all I think that is good but wouldn't hurt to address the comments. | 15:36 |
| mnaser | i think we can also land https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/722399 | 15:36 |
| gmann | yeah, +1 | 15:36 |
| mnaser | plenty of votes, seems polished enough too, straightforward | 15:36 |
| knikolla | \o/ | 15:36 |
| mnaser | knikolla: sorry that took so long | 15:37 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:37 |
| mnaser | gmann: seems the tc liaison patch has made a merge conflict | 15:37 |
| mnaser | for project removal | 15:37 |
| gmann | yeah, I will rebase those quickly | 15:38 |
| mnaser | ok so we have 3 in gate, 2 waiting 3 days to merge, osc pending some comments | 15:38 |
| mnaser | the only one that is left is https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/752699 | 15:38 |
| mnaser | so it seems like there hasnt been much traction and i think evrardjp is busy with other things :) | 15:39 |
| mnaser | so we'll have to drive that patch | 15:40 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, I don't have a problem with adding the content suggested there. | 15:40 |
| mnaser | i've added the release managers team into this | 15:41 |
| mnaser | appreciate their reviews on it | 15:41 |
| gmann | yeah seems straight forward | 15:41 |
| gmann | I can fix that comment | 15:41 |
| mnaser | gmann: ok awesome, and if that's ok, then we can vote on it and get some release team members to vote on it and we'll be at 0 reviews open :) | 15:42 |
| fungi | sorry, stepped away for a sec, but yeah we can merge whatever project-config changes, nothing's frozen right now in that regard | 15:42 |
| jungleboyj | gmann: Thanks. | 15:42 |
| mnaser | fungi: cool! thanks, i'll do those 2 patches gmann | 15:42 |
| mnaser | and done | 15:43 |
| mnaser | that's pretty much it for oepn reviews | 15:44 |
| mnaser | this is awesome and super productive | 15:44 |
| gmann | \o/ yeah super productive. | 15:44 |
| jungleboyj | Yay for productivity! Something I haven't felt this week. :-) | 15:44 |
| mnaser | #justdecemberthings | 15:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Clarify impact on releases for SIGs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/752699 | 15:45 |
| knikolla | yay \o/ | 15:45 |
| mnaser | #topic open discussion | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:45 | |
| mnaser | anyone has anything else that they'd want to bring up? | 15:45 |
| gmann | X release naming vote but not all members are here | 15:45 |
| jungleboyj | I voted! :-) | 15:46 |
| mnaser | so did I, so that puts us at 4 (given smcginnis mentioned there was 2 already done) | 15:46 |
| gmann | I am still in favor of getting vote from community than just TC so voted equal to all proposals | 15:46 |
| jungleboyj | gmann: Interesting. | 15:47 |
| fungi | just remember in a ranked choice vote, ranking all choices the same is the equivalent of an abstention | 15:48 |
| mnaser | tc-members: please look for an email "OpenStack X Release Naming" and make sure to vote | 15:48 |
| knikolla | i did vote yesterday. didn't realize it was TC only as of now. | 15:48 |
| * jungleboyj had forgotten it was TC only also. | 15:49 | |
| gmann | oh. it changed since V or may be W release name i think | 15:49 |
| fungi | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/release-naming.html#release-naming-process | 15:50 |
| fungi | and yeah, see the review comments and associated openstack-discuss ml thread(s) leading up to that | 15:50 |
| gmann | fungi: yeah, to avoid waiting for all TC, i did vote but yes with abstention | 15:50 |
| fungi | #link https://review.opendev.org/695071 Simplify release naming process | 15:51 |
| gmann | this change was additional to solving the issue we had during U cycle naming. | 15:51 |
| fungi | merged a year ago next week | 15:51 |
| * jungleboyj remembers that now. | 15:51 | |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Remove assert_supports-zero-downtime-upgrade tag https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/761975 | 15:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Clarify the requirements for supports-api-interoperability https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/760562 | 15:52 |
| mnaser | knikolla: can you rebase https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/722399 quickly? | 15:52 |
| jungleboyj | Look at stuff getting merged. | 15:52 |
| knikolla | mnaser: sure, on it | 15:53 |
| gmann | \o/ I think that is the main benefit of weekly meeting. fast discussion, fast review, fast merge :) | 15:53 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:54 |
| mnaser | gmann: true. btw, i had to remove my +W on the gerrit changes because of some mangae-project stuff | 15:56 |
| mnaser | ill follow up | 15:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Kristi Nikolla proposed openstack/governance master: Add assert:supports-standalone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/722399 | 15:59 |
| knikolla | mnaser: rebased. the index.rst had changed :) | 16:01 |
| gmann | may be we can end meeting. | 16:05 |
| gmann | mnaser: ^^ | 16:05 |
| mnaser | yes! :) | 16:06 |
| mnaser | #endmeeting | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Technical Committee office hours: Tuesdays at 09:00 UTC, Wednesdays at 01:00 UTC, and Thursdays at 15:00 UTC | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/ | channel logs http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/" | 16:06 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 16:06:12 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-12-03-15.00.html | 16:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-12-03-15.00.txt | 16:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-12-03-15.00.log.html | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:06 |
| gmann | thanks. | 16:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Remove Qinling project team https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/764523 | 16:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Remove Searchlight project team https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/764530 | 16:16 |
| gmann | tc-members ^^ rebased the project removal preview. | 16:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add assert:supports-standalone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/722399 | 16:30 |
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