*** evrardjp has quit IRC | 00:04 | |
*** evrardjp has joined #openstack-tc | 00:05 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 00:28 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 00:29 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 00:39 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 01:36 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 03:12 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 03:13 | |
openstackgerrit | Reason li proposed openstack/election master: remove unicode from code https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/769653 | 03:18 |
---|---|---|
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 03:20 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 03:21 | |
*** ianychoi__ has joined #openstack-tc | 03:22 | |
*** ianychoi_ has quit IRC | 03:25 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 03:26 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 03:35 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 03:45 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 03:47 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 04:17 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 04:18 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 04:18 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 04:19 | |
*** evrardjp has quit IRC | 05:33 | |
*** evrardjp has joined #openstack-tc | 05:33 | |
*** timburke has quit IRC | 05:41 | |
*** zbr has quit IRC | 06:21 | |
*** zbr has joined #openstack-tc | 06:23 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 06:54 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 07:01 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 07:06 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 07:25 | |
*** dklyle has quit IRC | 07:28 | |
*** ralonsoh has joined #openstack-tc | 07:30 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 07:46 | |
*** slaweq has joined #openstack-tc | 08:06 | |
ricolin | o/ | 08:08 |
*** andrewbonney has joined #openstack-tc | 08:16 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 08:17 | |
openstackgerrit | Reason li proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: remove unicode from code https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-sigs/+/769686 | 08:35 |
*** rpittau|afk is now known as rpittau | 08:37 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 08:38 | |
*** tosky has joined #openstack-tc | 08:39 | |
openstackgerrit | Reason li proposed openstack/governance-website master: remove unicode from code https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-website/+/769691 | 09:35 |
openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/governance master: Add doc/requirements https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/769696 | 09:52 |
openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: Add doc/requirements https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-sigs/+/769702 | 10:24 |
openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/governance-website master: Add doc/requirements https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-website/+/769703 | 10:29 |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 10:51 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 10:55 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 13:09 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 13:13 | |
*** e0ne has joined #openstack-tc | 13:20 | |
*** e0ne has quit IRC | 13:33 | |
*** diablo_rojo has joined #openstack-tc | 13:53 | |
*** Luzi has joined #openstack-tc | 14:00 | |
*** irclogbot_3 has quit IRC | 14:09 | |
*** irclogbot_1 has joined #openstack-tc | 14:13 | |
*** e0ne has joined #openstack-tc | 14:23 | |
*** Luzi has quit IRC | 14:33 | |
*** slaweq has quit IRC | 14:37 | |
*** slaweq has joined #openstack-tc | 14:40 | |
*** e0ne has quit IRC | 14:44 | |
*** e0ne has joined #openstack-tc | 14:45 | |
*** e0ne has quit IRC | 14:45 | |
*** pojadhav|rover is now known as pojadhav|away | 14:58 | |
*** belmoreira has joined #openstack-tc | 15:01 | |
gmann | o/ | 15:01 |
belmoreira | o/ | 15:02 |
diablo_rojo | o/ | 15:02 |
gmann | mnaser: you there? meeting time. | 15:02 |
jungleboyj | o/ | 15:02 |
* mnaser is back to back since 8:30 am | 15:03 | |
mnaser | sorry! | 15:03 |
mnaser | #startmeeting tc | 15:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 7 15:03:14 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mnaser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:03 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:03 |
mnaser | #topic rollcall | 15:03 |
diablo_rojo | o/ | 15:03 |
*** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:03 | |
gmann | o/ | 15:03 |
mnaser | o/ | 15:03 |
jungleboyj | o/ | 15:03 |
belmoreira | o/ | 15:03 |
mnaser | happy new year everyone :D | 15:03 |
gmann | happy new year :) | 15:03 |
jungleboyj | Happy New Year! | 15:03 |
belmoreira | happy new year!!! | 15:03 |
mnaser | hope y'all had a good one comfy from home :) | 15:04 |
mnaser | i count 5 people right | 15:04 |
* evrardjp lurks and therefore doesn't count | 15:05 | |
mnaser | aww | 15:06 |
mnaser | okay well i guess no one corrected my math, so we're good :p | 15:06 |
dansmith | gah, sorry | 15:06 |
mnaser | o/ | 15:06 |
mnaser | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:06 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Follow up on past action items (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:06 | |
dansmith | oh, mnaser was late too, I feel better | 15:06 |
evrardjp | :) | 15:06 |
mnaser | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-12-17-15.00.html | 15:06 |
mnaser | mnaser send out email about skipping both upcoming meetings <= done, we all decided xmas and nye wasnt the best time to meet :-) | 15:06 |
mnaser | mnaser write a proposed goal for X about stabilization/cooldown <= that didn't start yet, but there's a topic discussing that later today, so i'll keep that for now | 15:07 |
mnaser | diablo_rojo complete retirement of karbor | 15:07 |
mnaser | i think we had a few patches pending mermge or something along those lines? :> | 15:08 |
ricolin | o/ | 15:08 |
ricolin | sorry I'm late | 15:08 |
mnaser | o/ ricolin | 15:08 |
mnaser | i guess there is still a few patches left - https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:retire-karbor+is:open | 15:09 |
mnaser | ill keep it as an action item for next week | 15:09 |
mnaser | #action diablo_rojo complete retirement of karbor | 15:09 |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 15:09 | |
diablo_rojo_phon | +2 | 15:10 |
diablo_rojo_phon | Tons of progress, but not done yet | 15:10 |
mnaser | next up was diablo_rojo reach out to SIGs/ML and start auditing states of SIGs -- i think we have that on the agenda, so put it aside for now | 15:10 |
mnaser | mnaser drop X cycle goal selection start from agenda <= done | 15:10 |
mnaser | gmann continue to audit tags + outreach to community to apply for them | 15:10 |
*** diablo_rojo has quit IRC | 15:11 | |
gmann | not much update on this but we have this in agenda where we can talk on this | 15:11 |
mnaser | yep, sounds good | 15:11 |
mnaser | mnaser drop X cycle release name vote recording AND mnaser remove centos 8 topic from upcoming agenda <= both done | 15:11 |
mnaser | cool so | 15:11 |
mnaser | #topic Write a proposed goal for X about stabilization/cooldown (mnaser) | 15:11 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Write a proposed goal for X about stabilization/cooldown (mnaser) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:11 | |
mnaser | i think i should find the mailing list post but what we had discussed was the idea of having a goal of 'stabilization' | 15:12 |
mnaser | we've had community goals over and over again | 15:12 |
jungleboyj | ++ | 15:12 |
mnaser | so the idea was 'its a rough year, we've been doing this for a while, the goal is do whatever you want to do to improve the software (and share if you want), or do nothing, and that's ok" | 15:12 |
gmann | +1 | 15:12 |
mnaser | i didn't get thaaat much response to the ML post at the time if i ir emember | 15:12 |
mnaser | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-December/019379.html | 15:13 |
jungleboyj | mnaser: I don't think there were any objections. :-) | 15:13 |
gmann | yeah | 15:13 |
gmann | we want to document that or just 'no goal' and ML is ok? | 15:13 |
dansmith | so, | 15:13 |
dansmith | this is just no goals this time, right? | 15:13 |
gmann | yeah for X cycle | 15:14 |
mnaser | yeah, i think we'll have a no goal goal :-p | 15:14 |
jungleboyj | Right. | 15:14 |
dansmith | you're not proposing "add fewer features" or "a goal of stabilizing over any other activity" | 15:14 |
mnaser | correct, that's a good point | 15:14 |
mnaser | i think stabilization of our sanity more than it is of the code | 15:14 |
dansmith | okay, I think it's important to point that out and not say "everybody stop with the features this cycle: | 15:14 |
jungleboyj | We should make sure to call that out. | 15:14 |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 15:14 | |
dansmith | because we've discussed that before, but we can't align everyone's schedules so it's not popular | 15:14 |
mnaser | i agree | 15:15 |
belmoreira | +1 | 15:15 |
gmann | agree | 15:15 |
ricolin | +1 | 15:15 |
mnaser | #action mnaser submit a patch to officially list no community goals for X cycle | 15:16 |
mnaser | i think the language is key, thanks for pointing that out dansmith | 15:16 |
jungleboyj | ++ | 15:16 |
mnaser | i guess we can do all the voting and vetting in gerrit, unless there's something we can quickly discuss | 15:16 |
gmann | +1, having doc describing this will be helpful for future ref also | 15:16 |
mnaser | ok cool | 15:17 |
mnaser | #topic Audit SIG list and chairs (diablo_rojo) | 15:18 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Audit SIG list and chairs (diablo_rojo) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:18 | |
mnaser | ping diablo_rojo_phon :) | 15:18 |
diablo_rojo_phon | Yes sorry my laptop is doing a firmware update out of nowhere. | 15:19 |
diablo_rojo_phon | So, I haven't made much progress on this, other than deciding to do the coordination via discuss list rather than reaching out to the listed chairs directly. | 15:19 |
mnaser | no worries -- plus that item has been there over the holidays so not exactly the best timing | 15:20 |
mnaser | we can keep it as an action item to keep following up in our weekly meetings' | 15:20 |
diablo_rojo_phon | I figure it would be better for getting new volunteers for the roles anyway. | 15:20 |
diablo_rojo_phon | Yeah.. holidays. | 15:20 |
mnaser | yeah that's a good idea too, it might have volunteers indeed | 15:20 |
mnaser | cool | 15:20 |
diablo_rojo_phon | And if not, it might be time to retire the Sig. | 15:21 |
mnaser | ++ | 15:21 |
mnaser | #action diablo_rojo reach out to SIGs/ML and start auditing states of SIGs | 15:21 |
mnaser | we're gonna have you for a hat trick :) | 15:21 |
mnaser | #topic Annual report suggestions (diablo_rojo) | 15:21 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Annual report suggestions (diablo_rojo) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:21 | |
jungleboyj | ++ | 15:21 |
diablo_rojo_phon | The draft is due next week and mnaser and I put together an outline before the holidays and wanted to make sure there wasn't anything we were missing. | 15:22 |
diablo_rojo_phon | Uhh, mnaser do you have a link to the outline etherpad? | 15:22 |
mnaser | yep: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/2020-openstack-annual-report | 15:22 |
mnaser | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/2020-openstack-annual-report | 15:22 |
*** slaweq has quit IRC | 15:22 | |
diablo_rojo_phon | There's obviously a ton of stuff we could cover, but we don't want to write a novel. | 15:23 |
diablo_rojo_phon | So we tried to just focus on the biggest most.. impacting things and stuff that were bigger changes to stuff we've historically done. | 15:23 |
mnaser | yep, so tc-members: appreciate adding anything we may have missed | 15:24 |
diablo_rojo_phon | Please add anything you think we don't have listed and NEED to cover by the end of the week so that we can get it all written by the deadline. | 15:24 |
jungleboyj | That looks like a good start. | 15:24 |
gmann | sure | 15:24 |
diablo_rojo_phon | That's all for this topic I think mnaser. | 15:25 |
mnaser | cool cool | 15:25 |
mnaser | alrighty | 15:25 |
mnaser | #topic Add Resolution of TC stance on the OpenStackClient (diablo_rojo) | 15:25 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Add Resolution of TC stance on the OpenStackClient (diablo_rojo) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:25 | |
mnaser | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/759904 | 15:25 |
mnaser | i agree with dansmith commentary and im wondering what we can do to help land this patch based on those comments | 15:26 |
jungleboyj | mnaser: ++ | 15:26 |
jungleboyj | Just looking at those comments and I am ok with softening the language. | 15:27 |
mnaser | gmann: perhaps we can discuss a bit those comments and maybe dansmith has ideas on what we can make changes to exactly to help diablo_rojo_phon wrap this up | 15:27 |
gmann | yeah, either we need to make it high level and not mentioning any detailed decision on python client whether to remove those or not OR decide what to do for standalone cases etc | 15:27 |
diablo_rojo_phon | Yes please :) | 15:27 |
diablo_rojo_phon | It was supposed to be high level. | 15:27 |
*** slaweq has joined #openstack-tc | 15:28 | |
jungleboyj | Yeah, would like to get that wrapped up. | 15:28 |
diablo_rojo_phon | Then people kept asking for more detail and we slowly descended into adding it.. | 15:28 |
dansmith | well, it's mildly controversial for some people, so wanting more detail is understandable, but yeah I think we just got too deep | 15:28 |
diablo_rojo_phon | Agreed. | 15:29 |
jungleboyj | Agreed. | 15:29 |
jungleboyj | We are taking a stance. Not telling people what to do. | 15:29 |
diablo_rojo_phon | It's not surprising, but the whole point was to write something vague to keep from backwards progress and have a general direction. | 15:29 |
dansmith | yup | 15:29 |
mnaser | i do see the concern with standalone-inspired projects | 15:29 |
gmann | having everything in osc as single interface and leave the removal/no-removal python*client up to projects. | 15:30 |
gmann | if they have bandwidth and want to support standalone case then fine | 15:30 |
diablo_rojo_phon | Am open to phrasing suggestions to keep it vague. It's become a longer living patch than I had hoped it would be. | 15:30 |
mnaser | oh i have an idea | 15:30 |
belmoreira | even being a stance shouldn't it be mentioned into the anual report? It would give it some weight | 15:30 |
mnaser | why dont we say aim for removing standalone clients | 15:31 |
mnaser | unless they assert that they support standalone with the tc? | 15:31 |
mnaser | so if a project doesnt assert it supports standalone, it shouldn't be messing about its client | 15:31 |
diablo_rojo_phon | belmoreira: since it hasn't landed we didn't include it in the outline. | 15:31 |
mnaser | but if the project asserts supporting standalone, then it should still support osc first- and be allowed to have its own client | 15:31 |
mnaser | is that ok for 'best of both worlds' ? | 15:31 |
jungleboyj | I think that makes sense but could see people grumbling about that. | 15:31 |
dansmith | yeah, too much detail I think | 15:32 |
dansmith | and by detail, I mean "too much to argue about" | 15:32 |
jungleboyj | dansmith: ++ | 15:32 |
mnaser | very valid | 15:32 |
gmann | yeah, we might end up in old situation | 15:32 |
belmoreira | diablo_rojo_phon true, but has been discussed basically through all year | 15:32 |
diablo_rojo_phon | I think that's a reasonable path, but yeah I fear the arguments. | 15:32 |
gmann | belmoreira: on standalone in annual report? you mean L37 https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/2020-openstack-annual-report | 15:32 |
mnaser | gmann: you're currently -1 -- what can we do to turn that around (and i see dansmith hasn't voted yet, so maybe would like to hear your thoughts) | 15:33 |
dansmith | I had previously, I just got tired of re-adding my vote | 15:33 |
diablo_rojo_phon | belmoreira: I wanted to add it, but I also wanted this patch merged in November lol. We opted not to add it since it's still just a discussion with nothing concrete. | 15:33 |
diablo_rojo_phon | dansmith: you just want it landed too? ;) | 15:34 |
gmann | I agree with what dansmith mentioned. we can leave the removal of python*client and say its up to projects if they want to maintain it or not but but youn have support all your cli in osc along with doc | 15:34 |
belmoreira | diablo_rojo_phon fair enough | 15:34 |
gmann | current version says 'remove the python*client' | 15:34 |
mnaser | so gmann you're suggesting that 'you can keep python*client as long as you have feature parity in osc' ? | 15:35 |
diablo_rojo_phon | belmoreira: it's definitely important to call out and we will make sure it's in the next one once we can point at this resolution (god willing it's landed by then) | 15:35 |
gmann | yeah we just talk about osc in this and leave any discussion on python*client as that is not yet concluded/or having arguments | 15:35 |
mnaser | remember this whole thing stemmed from projects removing testing using osc into their client | 15:35 |
mnaser | and this was to have something to go back to and say | 15:36 |
mnaser | "please stop going backwards" | 15:36 |
gmann | and all doc pointing to osc CLI. | 15:36 |
gmann | which was origin of this discussion i think :) | 15:36 |
dansmith | yeah | 15:36 |
jungleboyj | I think the parity point is key. | 15:36 |
dansmith | I think I covered that in my most recent comment | 15:36 |
gmann | yeah. | 15:36 |
mnaser | so should we drop the remove python*client stuff and add 'should use osc for ci and docs' ? | 15:36 |
gmann | +1. | 15:37 |
jungleboyj | I think that might help reduce argument. | 15:37 |
*** timburke has joined #openstack-tc | 15:37 | |
mnaser | tc-members: ^ thoughts on that so diablo_rojo_phon can make the change? | 15:38 |
mnaser | (of course we'll vote on it but having an early ok to proceed would help the back and forth) | 15:38 |
jungleboyj | I am in support in the interest of moving forward. | 15:38 |
dansmith | yup | 15:38 |
belmoreira | +1 | 15:38 |
gmann | sounds good | 15:39 |
mnaser | cool -- diablo_rojo_phon i think we have a way forward with some sort of mostly-agreement here | 15:39 |
ricolin | +1 on drop the `remove` stuff as it make it easy to moving forward as first step | 15:39 |
diablo_rojo_phon | Okay cool. | 15:39 |
diablo_rojo_phon | I will try to get that update up today. | 15:39 |
mnaser | thank you for your patience <3 | 15:39 |
mnaser | and next-up | 15:40 |
mnaser | #topic Audit and clean-up tags (gmann) | 15:40 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Audit and clean-up tags (gmann) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:40 | |
mnaser | eh for continuty | 15:40 |
mnaser | #undo | 15:40 |
openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic Audit and clean-up tags (gmann) | 15:40 |
mnaser | #action diablo_rojo_phon update resolution for tc stance on osc | 15:40 |
mnaser | #topic Audit and clean-up tags (gmann) | 15:40 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Audit and clean-up tags (gmann) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:40 | |
gmann | I was targeting API interop tag and sent ML in dec #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-December/019505.html | 15:40 |
gmann | but could not get any response on that. | 15:41 |
mnaser | gmann: maybe a 'bump' on that thread could be good considering holidays and all? | 15:41 |
gmann | may be due to holiday time, i will bump this thread again with PTL tag | 15:41 |
gmann | yeah | 15:41 |
gmann | I will do today | 15:41 |
jungleboyj | ++ | 15:41 |
mnaser | #action gmann continue to audit tags + outreach to community to apply for them | 15:41 |
mnaser | anything else for the topic gmann ? | 15:42 |
gmann | nothing else from me. | 15:42 |
mnaser | and a not-so-great topic :( | 15:43 |
mnaser | #topic Farewell Andreas (diablo_rojo) | 15:43 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Farewell Andreas (diablo_rojo) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:43 | |
mnaser | so: Andreas mentioned they will no longer be able to continue helping with project-config reviews | 15:44 |
mnaser | as far as i know, they were mainly doing it on their own as a contribution and not sponsored at all by their employee to do it for the most part | 15:44 |
mnaser | for context, andreas has had 15333 reviews into project-config! | 15:45 |
jungleboyj | Wow. | 15:45 |
mnaser | 269 in victoria, double the next person after them, so they really were doing a lot of work for helping keeping project-config flowing | 15:46 |
gmann | I can help on project-config zuul jobs/acl things area. | 15:46 |
mnaser | for the most part, the reviews are somewhat trivial but mostly procedural in understanding how a change can affect something else | 15:46 |
mnaser | to be honest, i am on project-config-core but i am not actively checking reviews on a daily basis, so i can certainly try and step up a bit from my side, but i think we'll need something more sustainable | 15:47 |
mnaser | https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/project-config | 15:48 |
mnaser | so some grafana dashboard jobs, some projects.yaml changes, usually addition/retire of projects | 15:48 |
mnaser | the only concern right now is that openstack/project-config is project-config for * -- so there's some airship/starlingx changes in there too | 15:49 |
fungi | we're happy to add more project-config-core reviewers if folks think they have time to look through changes there | 15:49 |
mnaser | dunno if clarkb or fungi are around to talk about if the idea of splitting that out at some near future (understandibly, it's.. not trivial) | 15:50 |
*** dklyle has joined #openstack-tc | 15:50 | |
fungi | even if you're only reviewing openstack config changes that's still the bulk of them so a huge help | 15:50 |
mnaser | fungi: i don't seem to remember off the top of my head right now, is project-config a config-project ? | 15:50 |
gmann | yeah we can do based on incoming requests. | 15:50 |
fungi | and yeah, the eventual plan is for each namespace to have an opendev config repo which contains things like their pipeline configs, trusted central job definitions, acls, et cetera | 15:51 |
fungi | mnaser: it is a trusted "config" project for zuul, yes | 15:51 |
mnaser | if so, the one thing to be somewhat concerned about is the fact that it is essential 'root' zuul access to a degree | 15:51 |
mnaser | so those reviewers would need to exercise care when it comes to things that can include secrets/trusted jobs/etc | 15:52 |
fungi | also because it's trusted content, there's no pre-merge exercising of the zuul configuration in it | 15:52 |
fungi | only takes effect once approved and merged | 15:53 |
mnaser | so zuul job output is not a reflection of the actual change | 15:53 |
gmann | yeah, after merging only. depends-on is no effect for those changes to check the changes in advance | 15:54 |
fungi | well, we do have some linting and other pre-merge tests of non-zuul content in there | 15:54 |
gmann | from service side | 15:54 |
mnaser | hear me out on this: what if we dropped -1/+1 right to * on project-config and adding project-config-shadow, for those people who would like to get involved, and then a full core can merge with one 'shadow' core +1 as a rule for us | 15:55 |
fungi | things like checking acl normalization/syntax, ordering of entries in very long files, checking irc channel permissions before adding bots, et cetera | 15:55 |
fungi | that stuff is still tested | 15:55 |
mnaser | which will help speed up merging stuff (needing 1 person) and also mentoring those looking to become core, and making the actual +1 more meaningful | 15:55 |
mnaser | (generally, i am super happy and welcoming of adding people to core, but i think we just have to be mindful of the trusted context of those repos) | 15:55 |
fungi | that's probably a discussion to be had with more of the opendev administrators, but maybe bring it up on service-discuss | 15:56 |
fungi | i'm also happy to see us just trust people to not approve changes if they're not sure | 15:56 |
mnaser | that's also a very good easy alternative :) | 15:57 |
mnaser | maybe we should discuss this again next week | 15:57 |
gmann | yeah that is fair point, usual practice in many projects | 15:57 |
mnaser | seems like it's quieted down | 15:57 |
mnaser | ok well, i think we can continue this next week | 15:59 |
mnaser | #topic open discussion | 15:59 |
*** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:59 | |
mnaser | and open quick topics? | 15:59 |
fungi | didn't want to interrupt mid-topic earlier, but standalone clients *could* also be rebuilt on top of openstacksdk (it's lightweight even though osc is not particularly, at least not today) | 15:59 |
mnaser | fungi: i think that's what ironic has done afaik, right? | 15:59 |
dansmith | that is for sure the right approach, | 16:00 |
fungi | not sure, but awesome if true | 16:00 |
mnaser | dont quote me on it but i think they have done something like that | 16:00 |
dansmith | but there's a lot of work to make that a thing, when the standalones currently work | 16:00 |
fungi | yep, totally | 16:00 |
fungi | it was more a theoretical | 16:00 |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 16:00 | |
mnaser | https://github.com/openstack/python-ironicclient/blob/master/setup.cfg#L26-L28 | 16:00 |
dansmith | so from the perspective of someone not wanting to do this, it's like "move your code here, then re-write your existing code to use that new stuff" | 16:00 |
fungi | but cool to hear that maybe at least one project has already done that | 16:00 |
mnaser | https://github.com/openstack/python-ironicclient/blob/master/ironicclient/shell.py#L116-L129 | 16:01 |
mnaser | if you're curious fungi ^ :) | 16:01 |
jungleboyj | Do we need to End Meeting? | 16:06 |
jungleboyj | :-) | 16:06 |
mnaser | #endmeeting | 16:06 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Technical Committee office hours: Tuesdays at 09:00 UTC, Wednesdays at 01:00 UTC, and Thursdays at 15:00 UTC | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/ | channel logs http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/" | 16:06 | |
gmann | yeah | 16:06 |
mnaser | :) | 16:06 |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 7 16:06:23 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:06 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-01-07-15.03.html | 16:06 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-01-07-15.03.txt | 16:06 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-01-07-15.03.log.html | 16:06 |
*** diablo_rojo has joined #openstack-tc | 17:00 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 17:05 | |
*** rpittau is now known as rpittau|afk | 17:18 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 17:20 | |
openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: molteniron does not make releases https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/769805 | 17:40 |
*** ralonsoh has quit IRC | 17:45 | |
*** belmoreira has quit IRC | 18:58 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 19:24 | |
*** andrewbonney has quit IRC | 19:25 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 19:26 | |
openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Document $series-last tag for Temepst to test EM branches https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-team-guide/+/769821 | 19:43 |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 19:59 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 20:00 | |
*** diablo_rojo has quit IRC | 20:20 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 21:11 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 21:44 | |
*** noonedeadpunk has quit IRC | 21:47 | |
*** noonedeadpunk has joined #openstack-tc | 21:48 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 22:02 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 22:08 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 22:11 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 22:11 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 22:19 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 22:19 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 22:24 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 22:28 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 22:32 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 22:33 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has quit IRC | 22:44 | |
*** jamesmcarthur has joined #openstack-tc | 22:46 | |
*** tosky has quit IRC | 23:53 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.2 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!