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| gmann | tc-members I have created the doodle poll to select the slots for TC PTG, please fill those before tomorrow meeting - https://doodle.com/poll/2zy8hex4r6wvidqk?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link | 01:17 |
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| gmann | tc-members also created the etherpad to collect the topics - https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-xena-ptg | 01:18 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Thanks gmann! | 01:18 |
| gmann | sent the poll link to TC members email id also as we need to select the time slots by tomorrow | 01:22 |
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| ricolin | gmann, voted | 02:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: Update retire SIG process https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-sigs/+/783000 | 13:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: Retire Containers SIG https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-sigs/+/783001 | 13:20 |
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| gmann | ricolin: thanks | 13:59 |
| ricolin | gmann, I also send a ML out for seek for volunteer to drive Containers sig http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-March/021298.html | 14:04 |
| gmann | ricolin: thanks. | 14:04 |
| gmann | also for the retiring SIG process checking those patches | 14:05 |
| gmann | ricolin: 1 comment on adding the ML link also in this - https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-sigs/+/783001/1/archived-sigs.yaml#35 | 14:10 |
| gmann | rest all looks perfect | 14:10 |
| ricolin | gmann, let's wait for the result of the ML before we update the patch | 14:15 |
| dansmith | gmann: I put myself as "maybe" for all slots on Tue-Thu, because I'm expecting that's when most of the project sessions are going to be | 14:16 |
| dansmith | and I'm hoping to have fewer clashes with TC sessions this time around, | 14:16 |
| dansmith | because I think TC is important, but project stuff is too | 14:17 |
| gmann | dansmith: yeah, we can try to avoid conflict. | 14:17 |
| gmann | let's see how it goes, we are waiting for 4 more TC to vote at least | 14:18 |
| gmann | mnaser: diablo_rojo_phon belmoreira yoctozepto Gentle Reminder for the TC PTG time slot vote https://doodle.com/poll/2zy8hex4r6wvidqk | 14:18 |
| gmann | though we already passed the deadline to book the slot, hoping diablo_rojo_phon can help us to buy out the time. | 14:19 |
| yoctozepto | gmann: done! :-) | 14:53 |
| mnaser | #startmeeting tc | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 25 15:00:01 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mnaser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| mnaser | #topic rollcall | 15:00 |
| mnaser | o/ | 15:00 |
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| gmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| ricolin | o/ | 15:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 15:00 |
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| yoctozepto | o/ | 15:01 |
| mnaser | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:02 |
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| mnaser | ricolin Add retired SIGs section for governance-sigs repo | 15:02 |
| ricolin | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-sigs/+/783000 | 15:02 |
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| ricolin | just propose a patch to update current retire process | 15:02 |
| ricolin | please take a review:) | 15:03 |
| ricolin | also send a ML for discuss about retire Containers SIG http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-March/021298.html | 15:03 |
| ricolin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-March/021298.html | 15:03 |
| ricolin | Hopefully we can have someone take over containers sig | 15:04 |
| mnaser | great | 15:04 |
| mnaser | mnaser drop "Audit SIG list and chairs" from agenda <- done | 15:04 |
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| mnaser | mnaser reach out to OSA team about dropping nv jobs from gate <- did reach out, but did not follow up on it | 15:05 |
| mnaser | #topic PTG | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:06 | |
| mnaser | gmann: wanna take this as you've taken most of the lead on this? | 15:06 |
| gmann | sure | 15:06 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-March/021283.html | 15:06 |
| gmann | posted on ML about doodle poll and etherpad | 15:06 |
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| gmann | #link https://doodle.com/poll/2zy8hex4r6wvidqk | 15:06 |
| gmann | we need to select the slots by today as we already passed the deadline | 15:07 |
| gmann | and this is etherpad to collect the topics #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-xena-ptg | 15:07 |
| gmann | mnaser: diablo_rojo_phon are pending to vote for slots | 15:07 |
| gmann | and after that we can decide here about best available non-conflicting slots | 15:08 |
| mnaser | ok, i'll add my times t oday | 15:08 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:08 |
| gmann | then we can wait for tomorrow to discuss the final slots? | 15:09 |
| mnaser | sounds good to me | 15:09 |
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| gmann | we have penalty of slots available in PTG rooms https://ethercalc.net/oz7q0gds9zfi | 15:09 |
| gmann | one item i think diablo_rojo_phon added 'Teams that usually meet that aren't signed up:' | 15:10 |
| gmann | I think there are many teams have not signed up for the PTG but may be diablo_rojo_phon has the data | 15:10 |
| yoctozepto | yes, that would be interesting to know | 15:11 |
| yoctozepto | and yes, let's discuss the best slot tomorrow | 15:11 |
| gmann | once we have data, as TC liaisons we can reach out to teams? | 15:11 |
| gmann | yeah. | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | I agree | 15:12 |
| gmann | once we select the slots, we have time to add topics | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | but do we have current liaisons? | 15:12 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: I need to reset, waiting for PTL assignment patches to merge | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | (I mean, did not they reset?) | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | ah, OK! | 15:12 |
| gmann | which can be done in this meeting | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | let's do it then :-) | 15:13 |
| gmann | otherwise they conflict on merge with the PTL assignments patches | 15:13 |
| gmann | that all form my side on PTG topic | 15:13 |
| mnaser | awesome | 15:13 |
| ricolin | gmann, while you plan to reset TC liaisons, can you also added TC liaisons for SIGs too? | 15:13 |
| yoctozepto | agreed, nice | 15:13 |
| ricolin | As we discussed in last meeting | 15:14 |
| gmann | ricolin: sure, let me check the script for that | 15:14 |
| ricolin | gmann, thx | 15:14 |
| mnaser | cool, can we move ono? | 15:14 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:15 |
| mnaser | #topic Gate performance and heavy job configs (dansmith) | 15:15 |
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| dansmith | sorry, rc1 fire in -nova | 15:16 |
| yoctozepto | uh-oh | 15:16 |
| yoctozepto | happy extinguishing! | 15:16 |
| dansmith | I don't really have anything for this this week | 15:16 |
| mnaser | no worries | 15:16 |
| mnaser | it'll be on our list | 15:16 |
| mnaser | good luck :) | 15:16 |
| dansmith | I haven't been involved in enough traffic to know if there are still lots of cinder fails or not | 15:16 |
| dansmith | but lower volume has made life better regardless :) | 15:16 |
| yoctozepto | ack | 15:16 |
| mnaser | cool, we can hop onto next topic | 15:17 |
| mnaser | #topic Consensus on lower constraints testing (gmann) | 15:17 |
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| gmann | sent the consensus of our last meeting on ML #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-March/021204.html | 15:18 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, sorry double meeting-ing | 15:18 |
| diablo_rojo | we can circle back to my topic at the end | 15:18 |
| gmann | and added patch for project-team-guide #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-team-guide/+/781900 | 15:18 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: sure, np! | 15:18 |
| dansmith | glance has already proposed patches to drop those tests in wallaby and victoria | 15:18 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:18 |
| gmann | once 781900 is merged then we are done on l-c things | 15:19 |
| mnaser | perfect | 15:19 |
| mnaser | awesome, happy we were able to move forward with it | 15:19 |
| gmann | and from next meeting, we can drop this topic | 15:19 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: can you please check the reply on your question in 781900 ? | 15:20 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, yes I can do that too | 15:20 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:20 |
| mnaser | ok, cool, well no that note | 15:20 |
| mnaser | #topic Elect TC chair | 15:20 |
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| mnaser | i noticed gmann put up their tc chair nomination and i support them, i've done this for a while and it'll be good to cycle things up | 15:20 |
| mnaser | (i.e. i'm not running for chair) | 15:21 |
| yoctozepto | 'tis the link ~> https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/782811 | 15:21 |
| mnaser | perhaps if anyone else is interested they could also post their nomination, otherwise we can land this | 15:21 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:21 |
| yoctozepto | are we waiting only today? | 15:21 |
| yoctozepto | is there a schedule? | 15:21 |
| mnaser | we've never really had a system or a schedule for this | 15:22 |
| yoctozepto | ack | 15:22 |
| gmann | yeah, may be we can wait for next meeting or so? | 15:22 |
| gmann | or until all TC members ack on current nomination | 15:22 |
| mnaser | eh, maybe lets just ask tc-members to vote on that patch | 15:22 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:22 |
| mnaser | if they vote yes, that means they arent running i assume | 15:22 |
| ricolin | mnaser, +1 | 15:22 |
| yoctozepto | ++ | 15:23 |
| fungi | worth remembering, this is not going to be a vote of the entire tc because you're still missing a member | 15:23 |
| belmoreira | +1 | 15:23 |
| belmoreira | fungi good point | 15:23 |
| yoctozepto | unfortunately! | 15:23 |
| belmoreira | shouldn't we discuss that first? | 15:23 |
| yoctozepto | I think we are going to today? | 15:23 |
| gmann | yeah, we have that as next topic | 15:23 |
| mnaser | well, for what it's wroth, it'll be tc-1 | 15:24 |
| gmann | or after PTL one | 15:24 |
| yoctozepto | tc-- | 15:24 |
| mnaser | lets hop into the tc one | 15:24 |
| yoctozepto | and then liasons | 15:24 |
| mnaser | #topic Discussion for one Vacant TC seat (gmann) | 15:24 |
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| mnaser | personally i think leaving it at 8 is ok | 15:24 |
| dansmith | me too | 15:24 |
| fungi | the charter disagrees? | 15:25 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:25 |
| yoctozepto | except for it being an even number and the sad charter | 15:25 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry for being late btw. | 15:25 |
| mnaser | then we can make a charter change, i doubt we're going to enter some giant deadlock as 8 | 15:25 |
| ricolin | I think we can keep it 8 till next chances to correct it | 15:25 |
| yoctozepto | jungleboyj: it's only 25/60, still below the half | 15:25 |
| fungi | and i'd hesitate to suggest taking votes of the tc to alter the charter when the tc is incomplete, if you want to be certain the changes you make to the charter are valid you need to fill the vacancy first | 15:25 |
| yoctozepto | mnaser: yeah, I don't expect deadlocks | 15:25 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Missed the first ping and got distracted by other people pinging me. | 15:26 |
| fungi | i'm curious why there's a desire not to actually follow the guidlines laid out in the charter | 15:26 |
| belmoreira | even numbers are not good! | 15:26 |
| gmann | charter change need 2/3 of total TC which still can be completed | 15:26 |
| mnaser | fungi: what exactly do we do in this case? | 15:26 |
| jungleboyj | What happened to a special election for spotz ? | 15:26 |
| mnaser | i don't know how i feel about late entrances, we've previously denied people for late proposals to be honest | 15:26 |
| fungi | mnaser: the charter says, quite plainly, that if there's a vacant seat and it's more than a few weeks to the next election, you hold a special election | 15:26 |
| yoctozepto | yeah, I remember that special election promise | 15:27 |
| fungi | see the election section of the charter, last bullet | 15:27 |
| mnaser | ok cool, so i guess then we have nothing to discuss | 15:27 |
| mnaser | lets get an election for one person going | 15:27 |
| yoctozepto | ++ | 15:27 |
| belmoreira | mnaser this is not "late entrances". It's a new election | 15:27 |
| gmann | for me it is not clear if special election mention in charter is for election vacant term or in between vacancy | 15:27 |
| jungleboyj | ++ Assuming that spotz is still interested. | 15:27 |
| fungi | i'm happy to set that up, just wanted to make sure that was the plan first | 15:27 |
| fungi | gmann: this is between terms now | 15:28 |
| mnaser | it doesn't seem like there's much of other choices | 15:28 |
| fungi | it's a technicality that the seat was vacated on the day the election closed | 15:28 |
| belmoreira | ++ for the new election. But we should expect new candidates | 15:28 |
| yoctozepto | I'm with fungi on this, we have nothing better | 15:28 |
| mnaser | so maybe we should start to do that asap so we can have a chair | 15:28 |
| yoctozepto | belmoreira: ++ on that comment | 15:28 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:28 |
| gmann | ok. | 15:28 |
| fungi | yes, i'll get the announcements going today, we can have a short period for nominations, and for voting | 15:28 |
| yoctozepto | verrry short | 15:29 |
| yoctozepto | :-) | 15:29 |
| jungleboyj | belmoreira: agreed | 15:29 |
| gmann | so we should open campaign also for that? | 15:29 |
| mnaser | having said that, if we have enough people voting for gmann to be chair | 15:29 |
| mnaser | we should probably just land that change | 15:29 |
| dansmith | should be normal nom time if we're going to do an election right/ | 15:29 |
| gmann | or just nomination and then election | 15:29 |
| dansmith | totally not fair to have a 1-hour nom time or anything like that | 15:29 |
| yoctozepto | lol | 15:29 |
| dansmith | tbh, this seems like kinda weird to me | 15:29 |
| fungi | yes, i think the only concern there would be if whoever wins the special election wanted to volunteer as a chair candidate, but i haven't looked closely at the chair selection part of the charter to know if that's really a problem | 15:29 |
| dansmith | like making a special exception for a late submission | 15:29 |
| ricolin | mnaser, but that will give the new elected member no chance to run for chair | 15:30 |
| gmann | yeah, we should follow the week or so nomination at least | 15:30 |
| dansmith | and if it was some random person, I wonder if that would really be happening, but.. whatever :) | 15:30 |
| mnaser | ricolin: but if the majority of tc members already want gmann to run | 15:30 |
| fungi | dansmith: no special exception, there's going to be an election, additional people can volunteer if they want to be candidates | 15:30 |
| belmoreira | mnaser it would be great if we give the new member the opportunity to vote | 15:30 |
| mnaser | ok | 15:30 |
| mnaser | (i gotta admit, this seems very bureaucratic right now and going to slow us down a bunch) | 15:30 |
| jungleboyj | fungi: ++ | 15:30 |
| yoctozepto | mnaser: yeah, it's a sad occurrence | 15:31 |
| mnaser | but sure, let's have a full on election, i'll keep serving chair duties for another week or two as we settle all this out. | 15:31 |
| dansmith | so, we need what like two weeks? | 15:31 |
| gmann | yeah, we can hold Chair by then, with our charter previous Chair is default chair until new chair is being elected | 15:31 |
| jungleboyj | Yay for red tape. | 15:31 |
| dansmith | a week to let people know that noms will open in a week, then a week for noms, | 15:31 |
| dansmith | then a week for voting right? | 15:31 |
| belmoreira | mnaser ++ but I think is the right thing to do | 15:31 |
| fungi | good reason to put more effort into getting people to run for the tc next time, or spending this cycle amending the charter to schedule further reducing the tc size | 15:31 |
| yoctozepto | jungleboyj: YAY! | 15:31 |
| mnaser | we've got other important topics to deal with like, keystone not having a ptl | 15:31 |
| jungleboyj | Indeed. | 15:31 |
| fungi | dansmith: i said "short" we can make it a few days for nominations, no campaigning period, a couple days for voting | 15:31 |
| mnaser | so can we just get started with a full on election for one vacant tc seat | 15:31 |
| yoctozepto | agreed | 15:31 |
| dansmith | fungi: how is that fair? | 15:32 |
| fungi | dansmith: how is it not? almost everyone volunteers candidacy or votes on the last day anyway | 15:32 |
| dansmith | fungi: people need time to run it by their managers, consider the commitment, etc | 15:32 |
| gmann | how about this: noms open 25-3 until 1-4 and then election form 2-4 until 8-4 ? | 15:32 |
| yoctozepto | dansmith: people already had a chance to participate | 15:32 |
| yoctozepto | this is a special election | 15:32 |
| yoctozepto | does not have to be full blown | 15:32 |
| yoctozepto | but realistic | 15:32 |
| mnaser | this isn't a special election imho, it has to be normal if we want to be following 'the charter' | 15:32 |
| yoctozepto | oh | 15:33 |
| mnaser | if this is just a procedural thing so we can put one more name to make it 9 | 15:33 |
| gmann | yeah special election but we should give time to people to think on running | 15:33 |
| fungi | the charter doesn't say how long a special election needs to be, it just says to hold a special election | 15:33 |
| mnaser | then let's just not pretend it is and just put in the late candidate and call it a day | 15:33 |
| yoctozepto | xD | 15:33 |
| * dansmith has a call, brb | 15:33 | |
| fungi | i'm all for less bureaucracy, but if you want less bureaucracy YOU NEED THE CHARTER REVISED | 15:33 |
| yoctozepto | I love it how each one of us has a slightly different opinion on that | 15:33 |
| mnaser | yoctozepto: welcome to the tc :) | 15:33 |
| mnaser | that is healthy though, mostly. | 15:34 |
| gmann | I feel noms for a week and then election can be of 3-4 days if needed to be | 15:34 |
| yoctozepto | mnaser: yeah, it looks fine sof ar | 15:34 |
| yoctozepto | so far* | 15:34 |
| mnaser | how about this | 15:34 |
| mnaser | open noms for 2 weeks and announce it today | 15:34 |
| mnaser | that way we'll have the same normal 1 week notification before hand | 15:34 |
| yoctozepto | (we surely need to prioritise the charter revision) | 15:34 |
| mnaser | just merged into two | 15:34 |
| fungi | i can do that. will send it shortly after the tc meeting wraps | 15:35 |
| jungleboyj | yoctozepto: ++ | 15:35 |
| yoctozepto | that's very permissive and closes the discussion | 15:35 |
| yoctozepto | let's go with that | 15:35 |
| yoctozepto | what about voting time, another week? | 15:35 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:35 |
| mnaser | yes, a week for election, same way we always do, if we have an election that is | 15:35 |
| yoctozepto | well, it would be all for nothing if nobody actually stepped up | 15:36 |
| gmann | yeah that is fair enough | 15:36 |
| yoctozepto | what then :D | 15:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Right, if no one else puts their name up then we wouldn't need the polling period. | 15:36 |
| yoctozepto | need to get the charter right next time | 15:36 |
| diablo_rojo | And we can be done after nominations close | 15:36 |
| jungleboyj | \o/ | 15:36 |
| yoctozepto | diablo_rojo: well, if we stay with 8 out of 9 | 15:36 |
| yoctozepto | we are still deadlocked | 15:36 |
| yoctozepto | :D | 15:36 |
| mnaser | that's the thing i find silly | 15:37 |
| mnaser | is that if we don't have anyone | 15:37 |
| yoctozepto | me too | 15:37 |
| mnaser | anyone can just show up | 15:37 |
| mnaser | put tehir name | 15:37 |
| diablo_rojo | Right, like I said, if we only get one nomination to fill the one seat | 15:37 |
| mnaser | be 9th | 15:37 |
| mnaser | and stay afk | 15:37 |
| mnaser | so that's why this just feels like we want to have 9 people for the sakes of having 9 people | 15:37 |
| yoctozepto | diablo_rojo: we were discussing as if 0 came ;-) | 15:37 |
| * jungleboyj is shaking my head | 15:37 | |
| mnaser | but anyways, this is something we should work out in the charter | 15:37 |
| diablo_rojo | ohhh | 15:37 |
| yoctozepto | jungleboyj: whose head? | 15:37 |
| diablo_rojo | this is what I get for doing two meetings in parallel | 15:37 |
| gmann | yeah, we need clear wording in charter | 15:37 |
| jungleboyj | :-) My own at the moment. | 15:38 |
| yoctozepto | :D | 15:38 |
| fungi | mnaser: anyone could already just show up and put in their name | 15:38 |
| fungi | that's what the charter *says* | 15:38 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: Yeah, that is no different than if we only had one candidate during the election. | 15:38 |
| fungi | if you want some minimum merit barrier to entry for being a tc candidate, you need to adjust the charter | 15:38 |
| mnaser | ok | 15:39 |
| mnaser | now | 15:39 |
| * jungleboyj nominates my cat | 15:39 | |
| yoctozepto | fungi run that election and we worry during it | 15:39 |
| mnaser | do we all ABSOLUTELY feel like the 9th person to come here HAS to be present for us to nominate a chair? | 15:39 |
| gmann | jungleboyj: :) | 15:39 |
| yoctozepto | that's the plan :D | 15:39 |
| spotz | I'll resend my nomination | 15:39 |
| mnaser | my concern is that given this might be 3 weeks | 15:39 |
| fungi | (your cat needs to be a foundation individual member, might not qualify on legal grounds as a "person") | 15:39 |
| jungleboyj | Oh fungi, I can always count on you to know the charter. | 15:40 |
| mnaser | we'll be so close to PTG time | 15:40 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: Do you want to run for chair? | 15:40 |
| gmann | then let's make nomination as 1 week and result 1 week, if that can help | 15:40 |
| spotz | No on chair | 15:41 |
| gmann | s/result/election | 15:41 |
| * dansmith is back | 15:41 | |
| ricolin | I think 1 for nom and 1 for election will be a good plan | 15:41 |
| yoctozepto | I read the charter, can't find anything that would block us from selecting the chair | 15:41 |
| mnaser | the 9th member can show up and disagree on gmann being a chair, if all 7 of us want to nominate them as chair, then that's a bit of a waste of time | 15:41 |
| jungleboyj | I am ok with still voting on chair, but I know it is technically not fair. | 15:41 |
| dansmith | I think that waiting on the chair voting is crazypants | 15:41 |
| yoctozepto | dansmith ++ | 15:41 |
| dansmith | so please, we're doing the red tape thing for the election, let's not delay the chair deal | 15:41 |
| * diablo_rojo crosses fingers no one else tries to run and its just spotz and we can have all this done in a week | 15:41 | |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so lets go with a week nomination, week selection. | 15:42 |
| yoctozepto | come on, the chair election is not blocked by any legal yadda-yadda | 15:42 |
| jungleboyj | Then do the chair now. | 15:42 |
| * yoctozepto remembers being taught to never use the phrase "do somebody" | 15:43 | |
| mnaser | tc-members: please vote on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/782811 if you feel like gmann is a good chair candidate. if we have consensus that cant be broken by another vote, then we'll look into it | 15:43 |
| belmoreira | ok... about the 4 TC candidates? When they start the new term? | 15:43 |
| mnaser | and merge it | 15:43 |
| mnaser | they've already started, acls are updated | 15:43 |
| mnaser | and they will be voting on that change | 15:43 |
| yoctozepto | belmoreira: yes, hi! | 15:43 |
| jungleboyj | yoctozepto: Ooops. | 15:43 |
| mnaser | the reason i'm strerssing about this | 15:44 |
| yoctozepto | jungleboyj: TIL? :D | 15:44 |
| ricolin | 5 tc +1 already | 15:44 |
| mnaser | is because PTG is coming up soon | 15:44 |
| belmoreira | mnaser ok | 15:44 |
| mnaser | and i really don't think a chair transition a week before PTG | 15:44 |
| mnaser | is probably going to do us any good | 15:44 |
| jungleboyj | Agreed. Thankfully gmann has already started organizing things. Thank you! | 15:44 |
| ricolin | mnaser, agreed | 15:44 |
| gmann | jungleboyj: np! | 15:45 |
| mnaser | anyways, we can discuss this more, but please be mindful of that | 15:45 |
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| mnaser | i'm happy to continue to do my job as chair, but i just think for our overall health, we should settle this out | 15:45 |
| diablo_rojo | While not ideal, its not like the new chair is going to be super new to everything and not have the context? | 15:45 |
| mnaser | right, but PTG organization is generally a chair responsiblity amongst other things, so do i start doing all of those only to talk out a week before | 15:46 |
| mnaser | or do i organize them with gmann and have them do the same thing which essentially means we're just red taping stuff and we're all just agreeing for something that's going to inevitebly happen | 15:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Well its not like it *has* to be *only* the chair doing it ahead of time and its already happening anyway? | 15:46 |
| dansmith | we have 5 already, | 15:46 |
| dansmith | can we not just merge that thing? | 15:46 |
| yoctozepto | merge | 15:46 |
| dansmith | merge | 15:47 |
| dansmith | merge | 15:47 |
| dansmith | merge | 15:47 |
| dansmith | merge | 15:47 |
| mnaser | lol | 15:47 |
| jungleboyj | merge | 15:47 |
| yoctozepto | stop it | 15:47 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol | 15:47 |
| mnaser | i feel bad because gmann gets a not-so-great welcome :( | 15:47 |
| mnaser | and im sorry they got caught in all of this | 15:47 |
| gmann | no worry, its TC :) | 15:47 |
| yoctozepto | gmann, know we want you as our chair! | 15:47 |
| yoctozepto | at least the 5 of us :D | 15:47 |
| diablo_rojo | Unfortunate timing, but that doesn't mean we appreciate gmann any less :) | 15:48 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:48 |
| yoctozepto | diablo_rojo: you vote too :D | 15:48 |
| mnaser | im going to merge this. if any tc member disagrees with it, please propose a revert with reasoning and if enough tc members agree wih the revert, we can revert. | 15:48 |
| yoctozepto | ~> https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/782811 | 15:48 |
| diablo_rojo | yoctozepto, as soon as I stop being split in half by meetings | 15:48 |
| belmoreira | ops | 15:49 |
| yoctozepto | diablo_rojo: is it vertical split? or a horizontal one? | 15:49 |
| mnaser | now, we have a chair pending zuul. congrats gmann, with 5/9 votes you're at 55% so over 50% | 15:49 |
| * yoctozepto needs to know | 15:49 | |
| jungleboyj | I had 9 meetings scheduled in 3 hours this morning. | 15:49 |
| * jungleboyj is tired of meetings. | 15:49 | |
| diablo_rojo | yoctozepto, vertical | 15:49 |
| mnaser | and for the vacant seat, we'll wait for the results of the election | 15:49 |
| yoctozepto | diablo_rojo: ack! | 15:49 |
| mnaser | we have very little time | 15:49 |
| jungleboyj | gmann: Congratulations and thank you! | 15:49 |
| mnaser | #topic PTL assignment for Xena cycle leaderless projects (gmann) | 15:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL assignment for Xena cycle leaderless projects (gmann) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:49 | |
| mnaser | i'd like to focus on keystone | 15:49 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:49 |
| gmann | yeah next topic | 15:50 |
| yoctozepto | ( gmann: congrats! ) | 15:50 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:50 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:50 |
| belmoreira | congrats gmann | 15:50 |
| gmann | keystone meeting did not happen i think | 15:50 |
| yoctozepto | at all? | 15:50 |
| gmann | i pinged on keystone channel and gagehugo added it in their meeting agenda | 15:50 |
| gmann | belmoreira: thanks | 15:50 |
| yoctozepto | hm | 15:50 |
| gagehugo | gmann: we had a meeting this week | 15:51 |
| diablo_rojo | I did see knikolla sign up for PTG time for keystone. | 15:51 |
| gmann | gagehugo: ohk, sorry | 15:51 |
| gmann | any updates | 15:51 |
| gagehugo | general consensus is using the DPL | 15:51 |
| gagehugo | DPL model* | 15:51 |
| mnaser | oh cool | 15:51 |
| gmann | +1, | 15:52 |
| mnaser | gagehugo: do you need help in figuring out the roles etc | 15:52 |
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| gagehugo | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2021/keystone.2021-03-23-16.59.log.txt | 15:52 |
| mnaser | gagehugo: i feel like i can already identify the security liaison :p | 15:52 |
| gagehugo | haha | 15:52 |
| gagehugo | knikolla mentioned he would propose moving to DPL | 15:53 |
| yoctozepto | that's one very compressed meeting | 15:53 |
| gagehugo | and yeah I'll assume that role | 15:53 |
| gmann | gagehugo: these are three roles need as mandatory https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/782195/2/reference/projects.yaml#939 | 15:53 |
| gagehugo | it is :( | 15:53 |
| gmann | gagehugo: knikolla thanks for taking responsibility | 15:54 |
| mnaser | ok well this is some good news | 15:54 |
| gmann | other than keystone, all PTL assignments and Mistral DPL model is all up and might be ready to merge? | 15:54 |
| jungleboyj | gagehugo: and knikolla Thank you! | 15:54 |
| mnaser | gmann: i think so, i can go over them or work with you on those | 15:55 |
| gmann | mnaser: +1 thanks | 15:55 |
| yoctozepto | thanks to our keystone heroes, gagehugo and knikolla, let the keystone realm prosper under their reign | 15:55 |
| yoctozepto | (or so it says) | 15:56 |
| gagehugo | :) | 15:56 |
| mnaser | cool, anything else? | 15:56 |
| yoctozepto | ptls clear | 15:56 |
| yoctozepto | now tc liaisons? | 15:56 |
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| gmann | nothing from my side, its great we figured out all the leaderless things before PTG \o/ | 15:57 |
| yoctozepto | ++ | 15:57 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: yes, I will propose | 15:57 |
| yoctozepto | ack, thanks | 15:57 |
| mnaser | having said that | 15:57 |
| yoctozepto | I was just wondering if we want to discuss anything regarding them | 15:58 |
| mnaser | i think if anyone wants to propose themselves as a liaisnon for a specific project | 15:58 |
| mnaser | and then the rest are randomized | 15:58 |
| knikolla | o/ sorry, i'm out sick and haven't had a chance to propose the change | 15:58 |
| yoctozepto | does it make sense to be the PTL and tc liaison for a project? | 15:58 |
| yoctozepto | (thinking about Masakari here) | 15:58 |
| yoctozepto | (tbh, that would be the shortest path result) | 15:58 |
| dansmith | I forget, | 15:59 |
| dansmith | do I propose my change before gmann proposes the random ones? | 15:59 |
| mnaser | yes | 15:59 |
| gmann | yeah, I will reset it and then we can start proposing ourselves as liaisons and then random assignments for remaining projects | 15:59 |
| mnaser | other tc-members too | 15:59 |
| dansmith | or do I slip gmann a $20 under the table to give me the "random" things I want | 15:59 |
| yoctozepto | lol | 15:59 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: there is no restriction on PTL and liaison at same time | 15:59 |
| yoctozepto | ( dansmith: psst, it's $30 nowadays ) | 15:59 |
| gmann | dansmith: heh | 15:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add Ghanshyam nomination as chair https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/782811 | 15:59 |
| dansmith | man, inflation | 15:59 |
| yoctozepto | :-) | 16:00 |
| mnaser | nice change to merge to end on | 16:00 |
| mnaser | thanks for having me as chair y'all :) | 16:00 |
| yoctozepto | gmann: officially the new chair during the meeting | 16:00 |
| mnaser | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Technical Committee office hours: Tuesdays at 09:00 UTC, Wednesdays at 01:00 UTC, and Thursdays at 15:00 UTC | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/ | channel logs http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 25 16:00:18 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| yoctozepto | thanks mnaser | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-03-25-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-03-25-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-03-25-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Good work! | 16:00 |
| * mnaser fixes acls | 16:00 | |
| gmann | mnaser: thanks for serving and contributing a lot as Chair for many cycles. | 16:00 |
| ricolin | mnaser, Thank you for all the great works:) and congrats gmann :) | 16:00 |
| mnaser | gmann: i added you, i havent removed any previous chairs from tech-commitee-chair as i always thought it was a nice little thing to keep in the acl :) | 16:01 |
| gmann | ricolin: thanks | 16:01 |
| diablo_rojo | We didn't get to circle back to my topic, mostly just wanted to draw attention to projects that usually come that aren't signed up: Monasca, Oslo, Popups, Storlets | 16:01 |
| gmann | mnaser: thanks, i agree to keep. | 16:01 |
| belmoreira | thanks mnaser for all your work and congrats again to gmann | 16:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Mostly just for like, project health heads up. | 16:01 |
| gmann | belmoreira: thanks again | 16:01 |
| bnemec | Oh shoot, we meant to sign up. Is it too late? | 16:01 |
| mnaser | monasca is generally pretty active i think right | 16:01 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: only 4 projects? | 16:01 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: i signed up for policy popup yesterday | 16:02 |
| ricolin | diablo_rojo, Oslo just speak:) | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | That isn't too bad. | 16:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Well there are others, but those normally do and aren't signed up yet and the deadline today | 16:03 |
| fungi | just a reminder, to any tc members who feel your published charter is full of unnecessary red tape and bureaucracy, i encourage you to propose patches to simplify it during your term | 16:03 |
| yoctozepto | mnaser: not sure about the correctness of that statement | 16:04 |
| gmann | pinged monasca PTL for PTG sign up | 16:04 |
| fungi | just because you inherited bureaucracy doesn't mean you can't fix it (even if the bureaucratic path to fixing it does require some effort) | 16:04 |
| yoctozepto | fungi: right, we can start discussing in the ptg | 16:05 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: also for TC slots, we will be deciding it tomorrow once you and mnaser vote for availability https://doodle.com/poll/2zy8hex4r6wvidqk | 16:05 |
| ricolin | gmann, we still not merged Monasca PTL assign patch | 16:05 |
| yoctozepto | so make charter happy | 16:05 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: is that fine? | 16:05 |
| gmann | ricolin: yeah, it is ready and we can merge today | 16:05 |
| ricolin | gmann, cool, I will try to ping chaconpiza now to see if he aware about PTG deadline | 16:06 |
| gmann | ok, monasca is going to reserve today, got response form proposed PTL | 16:06 |
| ricolin | cool:) | 16:06 |
| gmann | ricolin: yeah got the response on monasca channe; | 16:06 |
| gmann | otherwise i was about to ping you to knock their door :) | 16:07 |
| ricolin | So popups and Storlets | 16:08 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, yeah | 16:08 |
| gmann | cool, thanks | 16:08 |
| gmann | ricolin: policy popup is done, not sure if encryption pop up team also register. may be fungi knows? | 16:09 |
| diablo_rojo | So pop ups was more specifically the policy one that has been meeting just about every ptg the last couple rounds | 16:10 |
| ricolin | tkajinam, ^^^ | 16:10 |
| fungi | gmann: i expect they'll try to piggy-back on sessions for barbican, cinder and glance | 16:10 |
| fungi | but i'll try to remember to ask during the weekly meeting on monday | 16:10 |
| gmann | fungi: i see. | 16:11 |
| diablo_rojo | I don't care either way if any of these teams do or don't meet, just wanted to point it out for project health reasons like I said. | 16:11 |
| fungi | at the moment most of the image encryption work is happening in or blocked on various specs and features in those three projects | 16:11 |
| fungi | meetings are usually short, we didn't talk about ptg this week i guess: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/image_encryption/2021/image_encryption.2021-03-22-13.00.log.html | 16:13 |
| ricolin | diablo_rojo, indeed good chance to check on the health of projects | 16:13 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, no pressure :) | 16:13 |
| * ricolin is checking the reason why storlets is not sign up | 16:13 | |
| fungi | yeah, looked back through the last several meetings and it wasn't brought up, i'll add it to the agenda | 16:13 |
| fungi | for image encryption pop-up | 16:14 |
| gmann | thanks | 16:15 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, if they end up wanting to meet, let me know ASAP please :) | 16:15 |
| ricolin | tc-members please help to review the SIG retire process so we can make sure it's idea for you all https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-sigs/+/783000 | 16:16 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: will do, but as i said i expect they'll just hold discussions in the relevant project sessions instead | 16:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Totally cool. | 16:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Appoint Shengqin Feng as Zun PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/780067 | 16:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Appoint Douglas Mendizábal as Barbican PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/780072 | 16:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Appoint XueFeng Liu as Senlin PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/780068 | 16:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Appoint Martin Chacon Piza as Monasca PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/780070 | 16:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Appoint Hao Wang as Zaqar PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/780279 | 16:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Appoint Xinran Wang as Cyborg PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/780071 | 16:49 |
| yoctozepto | gmann: why does https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/782195 need to wait 4 more days? | 17:02 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: as per charter formal-vote need to be open for at least 7 days. | 17:03 |
| gmann | this one https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html#motions | 17:04 |
| fungi | and the exceptions for that rule are documented at https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/house-rules.html | 17:04 |
| yoctozepto | gmann, fungi: thank you both! | 17:05 |
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| fungi | house rules also say that ptl appointment changes follow standard (charter) reviewing and approval process. it's not been updated since the dpl became an option i think, but would expect similar treatment of ptl to dpl change | 17:09 |
| gmann | fungi: yeah, we can add DPL things too to be clear. | 17:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Resetting projects' TC liaisons empty https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/783055 | 17:14 |
| gmann | tc-members ^^ resetting the TC liaisons list, please assign yourself to your interesting projects. As per the current TC and projects count, it will be around 8-9 projects per TC. | 17:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/governance master: Add danms liaison preferences https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/783060 | 17:23 |
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| dansmith | gmann: like that? ^ | 17:23 |
| dansmith | oh, | 17:24 |
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| dansmith | is it supposed to be our launchpad/openid or our irc nic? | 17:24 |
| gmann | dansmith: yeah, thanks | 17:24 |
| gmann | dansmith: irc nick | 17:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/governance master: Add danms liaison preferences https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/783060 | 17:24 |
| dansmith | fixed | 17:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Resetting projects' TC liaisons empty https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/783055 | 17:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Add danms liaison preferences https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/783060 | 17:27 |
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| gmann | just rebased on top of latest master | 17:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Add gmann liaison preferences https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/783070 | 17:32 |
| jungleboyj | gmann: What if we are ok with the current liaison listing for us? | 17:36 |
| gmann | jungleboyj: you can assign those again, but we need to reset as we have new TC members now. | 17:37 |
| jungleboyj | I must be looking at the wrong file. :-) | 17:37 |
| gmann | jungleboyj: this is current list https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tc-liaisons.html | 17:38 |
| fungi | jungleboyj: git review -d the current stack (783055,783060) and then base your edits on that, restoring your old entries if desired | 17:39 |
| fungi | the list hasn't officially been reset *yet* the reset is still in review | 17:39 |
| jungleboyj | Gotcha. That is what I was missing. :-) | 17:39 |
| fungi | i would git-review -d 783060 since that's the end of the stack | 17:40 |
| fungi | and then commit on top of it | 17:40 |
| fungi | just to avoid merge-conflicts | 17:40 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds good. Thank you! | 17:40 |
| gmann | this one 783070 you can take as base unless someone else push before you | 17:41 |
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| fungi | oh, yep, i guess 783070 is actually the end of the stack | 17:42 |
| fungi | i missed that third cange | 17:43 |
| fungi | change | 17:43 |
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| fungi | anyway, whichever one is at the end when you're ready to push | 17:43 |
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| jungleboyj | Argh, was on 738060 . | 17:49 |
| jungleboyj | I will fix that. | 17:49 |
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| fungi | no worries, lots of netsplits due to freenode server restarts, you've got that excuse | 17:54 |
| fungi | for some reason openstackgerrit didn't rejoin here, but i'll do my best impersonation... | 17:56 |
| fungi | <openstackgerrit> Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/election master: Set up TC Vacancy Special Election https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/783074 | 17:56 |
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| gmann | yeah, thanks | 18:03 |
| jungleboyj | I have pushed up my preferences. | 18:03 |
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| gmann | jungleboyj: thanks | 18:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/election master: Set up TC Vacancy Special Election https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/783074 | 18:46 |
| fungi | welcome back, openstackgerrit | 18:46 |
| fungi | hopefully that one is now typo-free | 18:48 |
| fungi | tox says it's good anyway | 18:51 |
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| fungi | assuming nobody has any problems with that change, i'll merge that in the next few hours and send the announcement to openstack-discuss opening nominations at 23:45 utc | 19:03 |
| gmann | fungi: +1 on plan. | 19:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Set up TC Vacancy Special Election https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/783074 | 23:33 |
| fungi | sending announcement about ^ that in ~10 minutes | 23:33 |
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