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| spotz | If you have an Ironic midcycle in Ireland can I come?:) | 13:04 |
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| dansmith | mnaser: when I was weighing osa patches, I forget which one I used and thus which tree.. project:openstack/ansible* shows me lots, can you point me at which tree I should be weighing in terms of gate perf? | 13:54 |
| mnaser | dansmith: i think projects:openstack/openstack-ansible* should b egood | 13:55 |
| dansmith | no, I mean I need to pick a representative patch for osa to weigh the jobs | 13:56 |
| dansmith | I was just saying I see a lot of projects under their prefix, | 13:56 |
| dansmith | but I don't know what the "main" one is in terms of activity and heft | 13:56 |
| mnaser | dansmith: the main one would be openstack/openstack-ansible | 13:56 |
| dansmith | okay gerrit wasn't showing me that... hmm | 13:56 |
| mnaser | openstack/openstack-ansible = the playbooks, openstack/openstack-ansible-* (i.e os_nova) are the roles that are used | 13:57 |
| dansmith | yeah, gerrit says that's not a project | 13:57 |
| mnaser | wat.png | 13:57 |
| dansmith | https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/ansible | 13:57 |
| mnaser | openstack/OPENSTACK-ansible :) | 13:57 |
| gmann | this one https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/openstack-ansible | 13:57 |
| dansmith | oh | 13:57 |
| dansmith | sorry | 13:58 |
| dansmith | not sure why osa is prefixed with openstack and nothing else is, but.. mkay | 13:58 |
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| gmann | tc-members: meeting time | 15:00 |
| gmann | #startmeeting tc | 15:00 |
| mnaser | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 1 15:00:05 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:00 |
| gmann | #topic rollcall | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:00 | |
| yoctozepto | \o/ | 15:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 15:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| dansmith | sorry, I'm not as excited as yoctozepto | 15:00 |
| gmann | :) | 15:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 15:00 |
| diablo_rojo | o/ | 15:01 |
| gmann | let's start | 15:01 |
| gmann | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Follow up on past action items (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:02 | |
| gmann | no action items from previous meeting | 15:02 |
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| gmann | #topic PTG | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:02 | |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-xena-ptg | 15:02 |
| gmann | we have room booked now, thanks diablo_rojo for arranging new room for Thursday | 15:03 |
| gmann | I have added the information in etherpad | 15:03 |
| gmann | also I sent invitation to k8s steering committee also for cross community sessions. | 15:04 |
| gmann | I have not got any reply yet so let's wait | 15:04 |
| gmann | and keep adding the topics in etherpad you would like to discuss in PTG. | 15:04 |
| mnaser | +1 | 15:04 |
| gmann | that's all on PTG planning form my side. | 15:05 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, no problem! | 15:05 |
| gmann | anything else from any one? | 15:05 |
| mnaser | nothing to add from me | 15:05 |
| gmann | ok, let's move to next topic | 15:06 |
| gmann | #topic Gate performance and heavy job configs (dansmith) | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate performance and heavy job configs (dansmith) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:06 | |
| dansmith | I have updated numbers! | 15:06 |
| dansmith | https://termbin.com/n7yl | 15:06 |
| dansmith | most every project has dropped their footprint, tripleo being the biggest | 15:06 |
| gmann | nice | 15:06 |
| dansmith | I think the nova +1 bump is likely just noise, as is the kolla -2, since node counts are unchanged | 15:06 |
| dansmith | not much movement on the heaviest one, neutron, but some | 15:07 |
| mnaser | wow neutron @ 34h sounds wild | 15:07 |
| dansmith | I'm looking for clark to update me with the percent usage again and then will send something to the list | 15:07 |
| mnaser | that's how many hours of testing each patchset gets right/ | 15:07 |
| dansmith | mnaser: yeah they're still really big :/ | 15:07 |
| dansmith | mnaser: yes | 15:07 |
| dansmith | other than that, | 15:08 |
| dansmith | I think the biggest thing hurting us is still spurious fails | 15:08 |
| dansmith | I've got a patch up to fix the only known one in glance, but I think cinder is still the biggest offender, | 15:09 |
| gmann | may be we can check with neutron team on optimizing the number of jobs runs for related file/code change? if not yet done | 15:09 |
| dansmith | although my "seat of the pants" data has been less accurate since the release was cut and things have slowed | 15:09 |
| dansmith | gmann: yeah, or just ask them to do less per patch. I think they already have a lot of per-file rules | 15:09 |
| dansmith | we'll see what the usage percent values look like | 15:10 |
| fungi | we've also had a spate of mass build retries this week because of what we suspect is a slow scheduler memory leak in zuul's master branch since 4.1.0, and when we get under memory pressure we wind up with zookeeper connection timeouts which result in running builds being retried | 15:10 |
| gmann | dansmith not sure if that we should do or not, we can skip/or skip-on-failure volume test ? | 15:10 |
| dansmith | gmann: well, I'd really rather see those get fixed of course | 15:10 |
| gmann | yeah, fixing if good but if that is taking time | 15:10 |
| dansmith | maybe jungleboyj knows how progress is going on the cinder side? | 15:11 |
| fungi | we've been doing some live debugging of the memory leak by collecting object graphs from the running process, but it's tens of gigabytes of python structures to process and that tends to slow down the scheduler to the point where the debugging is introducing similar zk connection timeouts too | 15:11 |
| fungi | hopefully we'll have it nailed down sometime today | 15:11 |
| slaweq | gmann: hi, we already changed lists of irrelevant files for most of the jobs | 15:12 |
| fungi | but if you see lots of build retries, or some builds ending in retry_limit results, that's probably why | 15:12 |
| slaweq | and limited number of jobs run on check/gate queues | 15:13 |
| gmann | slaweq: i see, | 15:13 |
| slaweq | I think it may be due to some instability in our jobs so we had to recheck patches a lot | 15:13 |
| slaweq | but we are working to improve that | 15:13 |
| slaweq | I hope it will be better soon | 15:13 |
| dansmith | slaweq: the numbers we're looking at are per check not related to total usage | 15:13 |
| dansmith | slaweq: so these don't go up or down based on instability | 15:13 |
| slaweq | ahh, ok | 15:13 |
| dansmith | but, each recheck means re-using 34h of time.. so instability surely impacts the overall usage | 15:14 |
| dansmith | gmann: anyway, that's all I had on the topic, will continue to monitor | 15:15 |
| ricolin | sorry I'm late | 15:15 |
| gmann | yeah, let's keep monitor those , thanks dansmith | 15:15 |
| dansmith | things definitely suck less these days, but we're in a bit of a lull, so hard to really say I think | 15:15 |
| gmann | true | 15:16 |
| gmann | anything else on this topic ? | 15:16 |
| gmann | let's move next then | 15:16 |
| gmann | #topic PTL assignment for Xena cycle leaderless projects (gmann) | 15:16 |
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| gmann | we left with keystone only and patch is up for DPL model | 15:17 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/784102 | 15:17 |
| gmann | please vote on this who has not voted yet | 15:17 |
| mnaser | candidates look good | 15:17 |
| mnaser | +1 from me | 15:17 |
| gmann | thanks knikolla and gagehugo for stepping forward for the the help and liaisons. | 15:17 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:18 |
| gmann | let's move next | 15:19 |
| gmann | #topic Election for one Vacant TC seat (gmann) | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Election for one Vacant TC seat (gmann) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:19 | |
| ricolin | 5 votes on Keystone patch now:) | 15:19 |
| gmann | I think we have one candidacy until now for TC vacant seat | 15:20 |
| gmann | ricolin: yeah, | 15:20 |
| ricolin | gmann, so no need to run election I assume? | 15:20 |
| fungi | we still have a week remaining until the nomination deadline | 15:20 |
| gmann | nomination open until 8th April so no action item until then | 15:20 |
| mnaser | ^ | 15:20 |
| mnaser | yep | 15:20 |
| ricolin | right | 15:20 |
| gmann | yeah, let's wait until 8th april | 15:21 |
| fungi | i plan to send another reminder later today to let folks know they've got a week left to propose candidacies | 15:21 |
| gmann | fungi: +1, thanks | 15:21 |
| spotz | I also let folks at RH know during a meeting yesterday | 15:21 |
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| fungi | thanks! | 15:22 |
| fungi | that helps | 15:22 |
| spotz | NP | 15:23 |
| gmann | spotz: +1 thanks | 15:23 |
| gmann | #topic Elect Vice Chair | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Elect Vice Chair (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:23 | |
| gmann | we have two members volunteer for vice chair | 15:23 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/783409 | 15:23 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/783411 | 15:23 |
| gmann | ricolin: and yoctozepto . | 15:24 |
| gmann | this is first time i think. | 15:24 |
| yoctozepto | indeed | 15:24 |
| gmann | and as per charter, this is internal role in TC so we do not need to have a official election or so | 15:24 |
| gmann | as discussed in this week early, we decided to vote on gerrit itself and then we can choose one | 15:25 |
| gmann | is that work for all? | 15:25 |
| mnaser | i think i'll personally abstain from the vote | 15:25 |
| gmann | yeah, that is also option so please vote by today end of the day and then I will merge one with highest positive vote | 15:26 |
| gmann | but does this need to be formal-vote ? or merge directly | 15:27 |
| gmann | it has been mixed way in past. mnaser ? | 15:27 |
| mnaser | gmann: it's ultimately your decision as chair to decide who becomes chair, so you can just merge it anytime | 15:28 |
| mnaser | the tc doesn't get to decide (you're giving us the luxury of doing that =)) | 15:28 |
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| gmann | ok, sure. | 15:29 |
| gmann | tc-members: please vote on both patch if you would like by end of today. | 15:29 |
| ricolin | I think yoctozepto and myself will be fine to whatever gmann call for this, so let's fix this today and continue with rest works:) | 15:29 |
| gmann | but good to see two members step up for help | 15:29 |
| gmann | ricolin: yup | 15:29 |
| yoctozepto | ricolin ++ | 15:29 |
| gmann | let's move to next topic | 15:30 |
| gmann | #topic Community newsletter: "OpenStack project news" snippets | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Community newsletter: "OpenStack project news" snippets (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:30 | |
| ricolin | yoctozepto, :) | 15:30 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/newsletter-openstack-news | 15:30 |
| gmann | this is monthly (if i am not wrong) newsletter and as OpenStack community we need to add few highlights as requested by diablo_rojo | 15:30 |
| diablo_rojo | The newsletter will go out next week | 15:30 |
| gmann | I have added few, feel free to add more or in Future section if you have any | 15:31 |
| diablo_rojo | I will draft from what is in the etherpad to our internal working doc early next week. | 15:31 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo cool, do we have a consistent monthly date for publication ? | 15:31 |
| gmann | so that I can keep it in that week meeting agenda | 15:32 |
| * ricolin is putting DPL information now | 15:32 | |
| gmann | something like if it is published every 1st week of month then we can add in our meeting agenda in last week of every month or so | 15:33 |
| gmann | ricolin: +1 | 15:33 |
| gmann | anyways I will check with diablo_rojo later on dates. so let's move next | 15:35 |
| gmann | #topic Open Reviews | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Reviews (Meeting topic: tc)" | 15:35 | |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/governance+is:open | 15:36 |
| gmann | there is no other open review which we have not discussed today. | 15:36 |
| gmann | that's all from my today, any other topic to discuss or we can close early? | 15:37 |
| mnaser | nothing to report from my side | 15:37 |
| gmann | I will be on off from work tomorrow due to good friday which i think most of us. | 15:37 |
| gmann | seems nothing else for today. | 15:38 |
| gmann | Thanks everyone for joining. Have a good Friday and Easter everyone. | 15:38 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 1 15:38:47 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-04-01-15.00.html | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-04-01-15.00.txt | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-04-01-15.00.log.html | 15:38 |
| ricolin | thanks gmann | 15:38 |
| mnaser | thanks for hosting gmann, take care and enjoy your day off tomorrorw | 15:40 |
| gmann | thanks. | 15:41 |
| yoctozepto | thanks gmann, enjoy your free time :-) | 15:41 |
| gmann | sure, you too if you are not working on weekends :) | 15:44 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, unfortunately the date isn't super consistent and often gets pushed when the marketing folks want to spotlight things. | 15:47 |
| diablo_rojo | Like this one was going to be this week but they wanted to spotlight the Airship release which is maybe happening today so they decided to hold the newsletter. | 15:47 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: i see. in that case i think a week before time is ok for us to collect the data. | 15:51 |
| tosky | dansmith, gmann: luckily 3 recent patches should improve the status on cinder tests: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/781788 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/782271/ and https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/783660 | 15:52 |
| dansmith | tosky: cool | 15:53 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello tc-members: So, I got a request from the events folks about some of our time on Thursday. Backstory is that they want to start doing a like.. weekly video segment on various topics across all the open infra foundation. Since the TC are meeting at the time they want to do that, they want to stream our session to youtube to kind of show people what the PTG is like. So the ask of us is that we make sure to use Zoom that day | 17:43 |
| diablo_rojo | and also to maybe try to tailor topics to be.. more.. engaging? Or whatever. | 17:43 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: is it like 1 hrs sessions they want to publish or recording complete PTG and then do some editing if they want ? | 17:45 |
| fungi | just an hour i think (14:00-15:00 utc on thursday of the ptg) | 17:47 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes, that ^ | 17:47 |
| diablo_rojo | lol | 17:47 |
| gmann | ok, that sounds good. | 17:47 |
| fungi | so if that's something you think might be cool, then maybe shuffling the agenda to pick topics for that hour which might be the most interesting to a broad audience | 17:48 |
| fungi | and possibly look at it as a way to engage potential future project participants by demonstrating the sorts of things the tc works on | 17:48 |
| gmann | yeah, we can sort those topic accordingly | 17:48 |
| diablo_rojo | Put much more elegantly by fungi lol | 17:48 |
| yoctozepto | ok | 17:51 |
| fungi | so mostly just being aware you're being published live more broadly during that hour, but otherwise no additional burden on the ptg participants... the foundation staff would separately work out some commentators/question answerers to monitor the discussion and any questions about it which youtube viewers might ask, so that tc members don't have to worry about that part | 17:51 |
| * yoctozepto needs to behave | 17:52 | |
| fungi | really don't want whatever crowd gathers on youtube to be interrupting the tc's discussion. if people want to participate *in* ptg discussions the way to do that is to register for the ptg and participate the usual way | 17:53 |
| yoctozepto | agreed | 17:53 |
| yoctozepto | and don't post links to twitter :D | 17:53 |
| diablo_rojo | yoctozepto, well we could post the link to the youtube stream, but yea, definitely not the zoom link | 17:54 |
| yoctozepto | yeah, but neither on youtube then! :D | 17:54 |
| fungi | right, the only link we should publish is to the ptg event info | 17:55 |
| fungi | (ptg registration, ptg schedule...) | 17:55 |
| fungi | not to the zoom room, and not the zoom password | 17:55 |
| yoctozepto | nor whiteboards | 17:56 |
| yoctozepto | they often contain zoom links | 17:56 |
| yoctozepto | i mean | 17:56 |
| diablo_rojo | True | 17:56 |
| yoctozepto | etherpads* | 17:56 |
| yoctozepto | need to be careful with that marketing ;D | 17:57 |
| yoctozepto | tough life | 17:57 |
| gmann | yeah | 17:59 |
| fungi | well, the ptg.openstack.org site serves links to the etherpads | 18:01 |
| fungi | so those aren't hard for someone to find | 18:01 |
| yoctozepto | well, it usually boils down to the number of hops required to get there | 18:02 |
| fungi | yep | 18:02 |
| yoctozepto | the more, the lesser chance these kids find their way | 18:02 |
| * yoctozepto is aware they might actually be adults but they surely act like kids, in a bad way of its meaning | 18:03 | |
| gmann | well that is valid for anyone not specific to youtube viewer | 18:03 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: I noted the time in etherpad 14-15UTC Thursday for this, if time change please update there | 18:04 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, will do! I think they were pretty set on that time though so it shouldn't change. | 18:04 |
| yoctozepto | "time to behave" | 18:05 |
| gmann | cool | 18:05 |
| diablo_rojo | yoctozepto, lol yes. Filters at 100%...at least 85% | 18:05 |
| yoctozepto | :D | 18:05 |
| diablo_rojo | If any other tc-members have opinions on any of this, please let me know! | 18:05 |
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