| opendevreview | Dmitriy Rabotyagov proposed openstack/governance master: [goal] Propose to use Ubuntu 22.04 for CI/CD https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/858690 | 09:48 |
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| *** dasm|off is now known as dasm | 13:46 | |
| ttx | gmann: see https://review.opendev.org/c/openinfra/openstack-map/+/859455 | 16:35 |
| gmann | ttx: ack. thanks | 17:29 |
| gmann | tc-members: any volunteer to start the TC chair election, CIVS anonymity voting. | 17:34 |
| gmann | It needs to be private poll with 9 tc members as electorate | 17:36 |
| opendevreview | Iury Gregory Melo Ferreira proposed openstack/governance master: Dedicate Zed release to Ilya Etingof https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/859464 | 17:38 |
| JayF | I' | 18:05 |
| JayF | *I'm willing to help with that; it'd be nice to learn the process | 18:05 |
| JayF | but not sure it's a good idea to do it the first time alone :) someone more experienced wanna buddy up? | 18:05 |
| fungi | JayF: the civs poll setup is basically the same as for our technical elections: https://governance.openstack.org/election/process.html#tc-election-round | 18:07 |
| * JayF thinks that sounds like fungi volunteering to mentor him thru this election | 18:07 | |
| fungi | under the "create civs page" bullet | 18:08 |
| fungi | "create poll" at the right side of https://civs1.civs.us/ | 18:08 |
| JayF | fungi: gmann: So JFDI the steps here to setup the election? | 18:09 |
| JayF | JFDI = just f[reely] do it :) | 18:09 |
| gmann | @JayF: yeah. And you have email id of all tc members in tc page. Add then explicitly | 18:11 |
| JayF | ack; I'll take care of it right now | 18:11 |
| gmann | @JayF: you may get few email not opted for CIVS emails. For those you can ask those member to opt in first and then readd their email id to send tbe poll link | 18:12 |
| fungi | basically set the title to something relevant, as well as filling in the other fields in the creation form, make it a private poll, enable detailed ballot reporting, and add the e-mail addresses of the tc members as voters once you create the poll | 18:12 |
| gmann | @JayF: poll duration: we can open till next tuesday and we can always close it early if all tc members voted | 18:13 |
| JayF | I'm assuming gmann and knikolla[m] are included in the electorate as candidates as well? (I assume yes since I was able to vote in TC/PTL elections, but just being explicit) | 18:13 |
| fungi | as far as i know, yes, even tc members running for chair are allowed to vote for the chair | 18:17 |
| gmann | @JayF: yes. Electorate and candidate both | 18:17 |
| fungi | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html#tc-chair | 18:17 |
| JayF | I've read all that; but still just verifying my understanding of it :D | 18:18 |
| fungi | it's rather vague, i agree | 18:19 |
| fungi | "After each election, the TC proposes one of its members to act as the TC chair. In case of multiple candidates, it may use a single-winner election method to decide the result (see below)." | 18:19 |
| fungi | see *what* below? | 18:19 |
| JayF | Yeah, I noticed that too. Hence my questions last week about how, exactly, TC Chair elections are run, and suggesting we use CIVS w/anonymity. | 18:20 |
| fungi | ahh, it means this: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html#election-systems | 18:20 |
| fungi | "For single-winner elections, a Condorcet system shall be used." | 18:20 |
| fungi | but yeah, the details are left to individual interpretation, it would seem | 18:21 |
| JayF | Probably for the best, I guess, but again I just try to make sure if I rock the boat it's intentional. | 18:23 |
| JayF | we are probably one of the best open source projects at running elections so really don't wanna change something there lol | 18:23 |
| knikolla[m] | ah, so no hope for a baking contest to decide the winner. | 18:23 |
| fungi | only if i'm allowed to eat^H^H^Hjudge the submissions | 18:25 |
| JayF | fungi: RFR https://home.jvf.cc/~jay/tc_chair_election_2023_1.png | 18:25 |
| JayF | knikolla[m]: I didn't see anything in the charter about trading cookies for votes; but I doubt they'd be any good by the time they got to the west coast :D | 18:26 |
| fungi | JayF: lgtm! | 18:26 |
| JayF | tc-members: You've all been added to a CIVS voting poll for TC Chair. Please ensure you've opted-in at https://civs1.civs.us/cgi-bin/opt_in.pl for the email address listed here https://governance.openstack.org/tc/ -- if somehow you're not opted-in, and opt-in later, reach out to me and I can re-send the invitation. | 18:35 |
| gmann | @JayF: thanks. Received the email. | 18:35 |
| fungi | during the last tc election, the election officials mentioned that if you opt into civs you'll automatically get any pending ballots for open polls you've been added to | 18:37 |
| fungi | so it may not be necessary to re-add voters | 18:37 |
| JayF | oh, that's nice | 18:37 |
| JayF | either way, there's no harm in re-adding and email if it knocks something loose, so if folks opt-in and don't get an email they should still reach out | 18:37 |
| JayF | **an email | 18:38 |
| gmann | I think we need to readd as i did in last poll for release name | 18:39 |
| fungi | yep, and if they end up with a duplicate ballot notification, it still just gives them the same ballot link/token so it's not like they'll be able to vote twice anyway | 18:40 |
| gmann | Yeah | 18:40 |
| JayF | yeah exactly, there's no harm in it so I'm happy to do it on request :D | 18:40 |
| JayF | If you want more CIVS emails, have fun with them :D | 18:40 |
| spotz__ | Thanks JayF | 19:00 |
| JayF | np o/ | 19:02 |
| rosmaita | I'm confused by what we're supposed to do about the TC chair nomination patches ... do we just read them, and then vote in the CIVS poll? | 20:24 |
| rosmaita | asking because it seems weird to rollcall-vote +1 on both | 20:25 |
| rosmaita | or either, until after the election | 20:28 |
| JayF | rosmaita: exactly | 20:37 |
| JayF | rosmaita: then once the election is complete, the idea is that the TC members vote for the candidate nomination of the winning candidate | 20:38 |
| * JayF may have that last step slightly off, but the general pattern of "vote via CIVS; only the nomination of the winning party merges" is accurate | 20:38 | |
| gmann | @rosmaita: @JayF yes. You can read the nomination from commit msg if you want abd then after voting close. We will merge the winner. You donot need to rollcall-vote now | 20:52 |
| rosmaita | JayF, gmann: ty ... i went ahead and left a code-review +1 to show that the self-nomination LGTM | 20:54 |
| *** dasm is now known as dasm|off | 21:31 | |
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