| opendevreview | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Adding TC chair election process https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/862772 | 03:46 |
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| opendevreview | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Adding TC chair election process https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/862772 | 03:47 |
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| opendevreview | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Adding TC chair election process https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/862772 | 04:03 |
| opendevreview | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Adding TC chair election process: nomination in TC meeting https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/862774 | 04:07 |
| opendevreview | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Adding TC chair election process: nomination in governance repo https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/862772 | 04:07 |
| gmann | tc-members: ^^ added both options for TC chair election we discussed in PTG, you can vote on those and based on the agreement with majority positive vote, we will merge one and abandon other. We will discuss the same in tomorrow meeting also. | 04:10 |
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| gmann | #startmeeting tc | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Thu Oct 27 15:00:04 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:00 |
| gmann | #topic Roll call | 15:00 |
| noonedeadpunk | o/ | 15:00 |
| gmann | tc-members: meeting time | 15:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| slaweq | o/ | 15:00 |
| JayF | o/ | 15:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 15:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 15:00 |
| gmann | from absence section: arne_wiebalck will miss the meeting on Oct 27 (PTO) | 15:02 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:02 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 15:02 |
| gmann | ^^ today agenda. let's start | 15:02 |
| gmann | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:02 |
| gmann | none from previous meeting | 15:02 |
| gmann | #topic Gate health check | 15:03 |
| gmann | any news on gate | 15:03 |
| gmann | I have not observed any frequent failure. | 15:03 |
| slaweq | nothing from me | 15:04 |
| gmann | ok | 15:04 |
| rosmaita | this is not quite related, but any word about the ceph job failures on Jammy? | 15:04 |
| gmann | I did not follow up on that discussion, noonedeadpunk did you get chance to talk to ceph plugin team in qa team? | 15:05 |
| gmann | gouthamr ^^ | 15:05 |
| dansmith | no big failures on my radar either | 15:07 |
| gmann | I think gouthamr had some discussion last week, anyways will check with them laster | 15:07 |
| gmann | k | 15:07 |
| noonedeadpunk | up, no, I have not I guess | 15:07 |
| noonedeadpunk | In osa we have just overriden couple of variables for ceph-ansible | 15:08 |
| noonedeadpunk | Eventually, infra mirrors regarding EPEL are broken now | 15:08 |
| noonedeadpunk | So projects relying on centos/rocky jobs are likely affected | 15:09 |
| noonedeadpunk | At very least kolla and osa are affected | 15:09 |
| noonedeadpunk | I'm trying to reach fedora ppl who are mentioned as point of contact | 15:10 |
| gmann | ok | 15:10 |
| noonedeadpunk | If not - patch proposed to switch mirror | 15:10 |
| gmann | noonedeadpunk: will be good to send it on ML also if any other projects affected in case they are running centos in gate | 15:11 |
| noonedeadpunk | +1 | 15:11 |
| noonedeadpunk | will do | 15:12 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:12 |
| gmann | next is Bare 'recheck' state | 15:12 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/recheck-weekly-summary | 15:12 |
| gmann | slaweq: please go ahead | 15:12 |
| slaweq | all is good there | 15:12 |
| slaweq | I will contact few teams this or next week but overall it's good | 15:13 |
| slaweq | nothing more to say really | 15:13 |
| gmann | cool | 15:13 |
| gmann | next is Zuul config error | 15:13 |
| JayF | Is the bare recheck still enough of an ongoing issue to be worth a dedicated TC agenda item at this point? | 15:14 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/zuul-config-error-openstack | 15:14 |
| gmann | JayF: we would like to spread the message and monitor to help gate health | 15:14 |
| gmann | slaweq doing good job keeping stats for every week and reaching out to project team | 15:14 |
| dansmith | yeah, I think these recurring items have been successful in keeping tabs on stuff like this | 15:15 |
| gmann | I think keep checking the stats and status in our weekly report does not take much time | 15:15 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:15 |
| JayF | Fair enough; if I'm the minority opinion that's that :) | 15:15 |
| dansmith | used to be more issues with the gate, but lately it's mostly "everything is cool" .. but if we stop monitoring, it slips easily | 15:15 |
| gmann | agree | 15:15 |
| slaweq | +1 | 15:15 |
| slaweq | lets just keep an eye on it | 15:16 |
| slaweq | and hopefully all will still be like "all is good" :) | 15:16 |
| knikolla | we could perhaps move it to the end of the meeting though? | 15:17 |
| gmann | doing it under Gate health as it is related | 15:17 |
| gmann | or you mean to move gate health at the end of meeting? | 15:17 |
| dansmith | I think they mean move recurring things to the end | 15:17 |
| knikolla | correct dansmith | 15:18 |
| fungi | oh, per the opendev meeting this week, we are losing the iweb cloud at the end of the year. it currently accounts for ~20-25% of our total quota for job resources | 15:18 |
| slaweq | that's bad | 15:18 |
| dansmith | tbh, I think the recurring stuff is some of the more useful things we've done lately, and since we can get caught up in other discussions and run out of time, I'd prefer to keep it up front | 15:18 |
| fungi | (we were originally losing it at the beginning of this year, but they generously pulled a lot of strings to keep it running for us) | 15:18 |
| dansmith | we can try to hit it quicker and move on though, but.. fungi's thing just now is a good example of it being important :) | 15:19 |
| gmann | knikolla: dansmith: that is reason I keep them at start so that we finish them quickly and spend more time on other things | 15:19 |
| dansmith | ++ | 15:19 |
| fungi | since we don't seem to spend a lot of time at max capacity these days, openstack probably won't feel that capacity reduction too badly, but it's worth keeping in the back of your mind | 15:20 |
| fungi | also, as always, we're in talks with other openstack providers about possibly becoming resource donors | 15:20 |
| gmann | fungi: seems like 20-25% of quota can impact the testing right? | 15:20 |
| dansmith | fungi: iweb is internap/ | 15:20 |
| fungi | gmann: it may mean waiting longer for test results when there's a lot of concurrent activity, yes | 15:20 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:20 |
| slaweq | so it's second provider which we are loosing this year, do I remember correctly? | 15:21 |
| knikolla | I agree that it is useful, it's just a huge chunk of not-usually actionable back and forth. When there is a pressing issue that needs to be presented, we can add it to the front and discuss it. | 15:21 |
| fungi | but as i said, we don't run maxxed out nearly as much as we used to, so it may go unnoticed much of the time | 15:21 |
| JayF | knikolla: that's essentially why I asked if we should keep doing it; because it's been non-actionable the last several times | 15:21 |
| fungi | slaweq: it's the same one, they just extended the time we could keep using it | 15:21 |
| fungi | by a lot | 15:21 |
| slaweq | ahh, ok, then it's not that bad :) | 15:21 |
| slaweq | thx fungi | 15:21 |
| knikolla | I feel the flow of the meeting should be sorted by importance. | 15:21 |
| knikolla | and actionability (or necessity for a discussion). | 15:22 |
| gmann | fungi: ok, let's keep eyes on it and thanks for update on checking with another provider | 15:22 |
| dansmith | knikolla: IMHO, keeping the developer resources healthy is one of the more important things we discuss.. even when they're non-actionable immediately, because sometimes it's a "we need to thin jobs" or "we need to drive some different behavior" | 15:22 |
| dansmith | longer-term actions, not immediate "take action in this meeting" but... it's important to me | 15:23 |
| gmann | Gate health checks are important activity TC is doing even at least monitoring and keep eyes on it | 15:23 |
| gmann | I can move recheck and zuul config errors at the end but let's keep gate health at the start | 15:24 |
| knikolla | fair point dansmith. | 15:24 |
| gmann | knikolla: JayF ^^ ok for you? | 15:24 |
| knikolla | works for me. | 15:24 |
| JayF | The status quo is OK for me too; I asked a question and didn't expect to spawn this much discussion. That seems like a sane middle ground though. | 15:25 |
| gmann | ok, let's move to zuul config error | 15:25 |
| gmann | knikolla anything from your side to bring on zuul error? | 15:25 |
| knikolla | nothing new from what i reported last week at the PTG. | 15:26 |
| gmann | ok | 15:26 |
| gmann | #topic 2023.1 cycle PTG | 15:26 |
| gmann | first is Discussion summary sent on ML: | 15:26 |
| gmann | #link https://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-October/030954.html | 15:26 |
| gmann | #link https://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-October/030953.html | 15:26 |
| gmann | I sent the summary of PTG discussion over email | 15:27 |
| gmann | 2023.1 TC tracker | 15:27 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-2023.1-tracker | 15:27 |
| gmann | ^^ as discussed in PTG, this is our tracker for this cycle, feel free to add the working item you are or would like to work in this cycle | 15:27 |
| gmann | and there are few items need assignee, please write your name in etherpad if you would like to help | 15:28 |
| gmann | that is all on post PTG things. and from next meeting we can discuss more in tracker side if needed | 15:29 |
| gmann | #topic TC questions for the 2023 user survey | 15:29 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-2023-user-survey-questions | 15:29 |
| gmann | I added the questions we want to remove/add in this etherpad | 15:29 |
| gmann | hope everyone got chance to review it | 15:29 |
| gmann | If not please do, I will send these to aprice after the meeting | 15:30 |
| gmann | I will update here if we hit the limit on number of question by a group | 15:31 |
| noonedeadpunk | btw I'm not sure about how correct is question `How users are consuming OpenStack` | 15:31 |
| noonedeadpunk | Because it's not users, but operators I guess? | 15:31 |
| noonedeadpunk | or how are you consuming openstack? | 15:31 |
| gmann | sounds good even for next question also? | 15:32 |
| noonedeadpunk | Though I can imagine oeprators not always know how their deployment tool does install | 15:32 |
| noonedeadpunk | Well, next depends | 15:32 |
| noonedeadpunk | As I think that next is indeed about users | 15:32 |
| gmann | sure, done | 15:33 |
| gmann | if any more updates, feel free to edit in etherpad | 15:33 |
| noonedeadpunk | yeah, was not just sure how to phrase better at first :D | 15:34 |
| gmann | +1, thanks | 15:34 |
| gmann | #topic TC chair election process | 15:35 |
| gmann | seems we did not have conclusion in PTG so I proposed both the option we discussed in PTG | 15:35 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/862772 | 15:35 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/862774 | 15:35 |
| gmann | please vote on those and at the end we will merge one with majority positive votes | 15:36 |
| gmann | or even feel free to add comments/improvement if needed in current proposal | 15:36 |
| gmann | any discussion needed on this or we just review in gerrit? | 15:37 |
| slaweq | I will review in gerrit but tomorrow morning | 15:37 |
| knikolla | i haven't had a chance to look at them yet. Discussion on Gerrit sounds good to me. | 15:38 |
| gmann | cool | 15:38 |
| gmann | moving next | 15:38 |
| gmann | #topic TC weekly meeting time | 15:38 |
| gmann | #link https://framadate.org/xR6HoeDpdXXfiueb | 15:38 |
| gmann | as discussed in PTG, I started the poll to select the new time for our weekly meeting | 15:38 |
| gmann | seems arne_wiebalck and spotz not yet voted and both are not here | 15:39 |
| gmann | I will ping them and if they can vote before our next week and we can do next meeting on new time | 15:39 |
| gmann | anything else to discuss for this? | 15:40 |
| gmann | #topic Open Reviews | 15:41 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open | 15:41 |
| gmann | current open reviews ^^ | 15:41 |
| gmann | 2021 user survey is ready to vote #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/836888 | 15:42 |
| gmann | upgrade testing things I need to update as per discussion happened in PTG | 15:42 |
| gmann | I am updating few things in CHAIR.rst so this is also good to vote - #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/862637 | 15:43 |
| gmann | and rest other we already discussed in meeting | 15:43 |
| gmann | that is all from today meeting agenda, we have ~15 min left if anyone would like to discuss anything else? | 15:44 |
| clarkb | Fallout from the jammy default base node switch seems to be minimal (as expected openstack is pretty good about being specific about needed nodes) | 15:45 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:45 |
| clarkb | Zuul will drop ansible 5 support in opendev this weekend when our automated upgrade process runs | 15:46 |
| clarkb | we've been default to ansible 6 for a bit now and I don't think we had ansible 5 long enough for anyone to override to it, but heads up anyway | 15:46 |
| gmann | ack thanks for updates | 15:47 |
| gmann | ok, if nothing else.. | 15:48 |
| gmann | our next week meeting will be on Nov 3 and video call | 15:48 |
| gmann | let's close today meeting. thanks everyone for joining | 15:49 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Thu Oct 27 15:49:06 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-10-27-15.00.html | 15:49 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-10-27-15.00.txt | 15:49 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-10-27-15.00.log.html | 15:49 |
| slaweq | o/ | 15:50 |
| opendevreview | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Update CHAIR.rst for few updates https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/862637 | 15:57 |
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