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| ttx | gmann: thanks! | 07:11 |
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| opendevreview | Guillaume Boutry proposed openstack/election master: Add Guillaume Boutry candidacy for Sunbeam 2025.1 PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/926177 | 08:36 |
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| opendevreview | James Page proposed openstack/election master: Add James Page as candidate for OpenStack Charms PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/926180 | 08:50 |
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| slaweq | hi gouthamr I will not be able to attend today's meeting because I am on PTO this week | 14:46 |
| slaweq | see you next week | 14:46 |
| gouthamr | slaweq: ack; ty for letting me know | 15:14 |
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| opendevreview | Hoai-Thu Vuong proposed openstack/governance master: Inactive state extensions: Monasca https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/923919 | 16:41 |
| gouthamr | tc-members: a gentle reminder that we're meeting here in ~45 minutes | 17:14 |
| gouthamr | #startmeeting tc | 18:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Aug 13 18:00:49 2024 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gouthamr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
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| gouthamr | Welcome to the weekly meeting of the OpenStack Technical Committee. A reminder that this meeting is held under the OpenInfra Code of Conduct available at https://openinfra.dev/legal/code-of-conduct | 18:01 |
| gouthamr | Today's meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 18:01 |
| gouthamr | #topic Roll Call | 18:01 |
| noonedeadpunk | o/ | 18:01 |
| JayF | o/ | 18:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 18:01 |
| gmann | o/ | 18:01 |
| spotz[m] | o/ | 18:02 |
| gtema | o/ | 18:02 |
| gouthamr | noted absence: f r i c k l e r , s l a w e k | 18:02 |
| gouthamr | perfect; we've everyone accounted for.. i do appreciate non TC members waving at us as well; please ignore the $topic if you'd like to say hi :D | 18:03 |
| gouthamr | lets get started | 18:04 |
| gouthamr | #topic Action Items from last week | 18:04 |
| gouthamr | we has an AI regarding Rocky Linux mirrors; i mentioned it in the TC summary email as a call for volunteers | 18:06 |
| gouthamr | there was an AI to encourage leadership nominations; we've been doing this in several places | 18:07 |
| fungi | next week will be better for getting some opendev collaboratory sysadmin input, i think. we've been a bit scattered last week and this week with folks travelling | 18:08 |
| fungi | (on the rocky mirroring discussion) | 18:08 |
| gouthamr | +1 fungi | 18:08 |
| gouthamr | we had another AI regarding deciding if "direct outreach" can be done in a way where the fairness of the election officials isn't diluted | 18:09 |
| gouthamr | direct outreach would be required/helpful only where there are no PTL nominees for a project | 18:09 |
| gouthamr | i think there's an acceptable solution here: | 18:10 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/925873 (Add email template for direct reminder about nomination deadline) | 18:10 |
| gouthamr | i think slaweq rethought this and instead of encouraging the existing PTL, this email reminder will go out to all project contributors | 18:11 |
| * gouthamr prefers this; and thinks it might help | 18:11 | |
| noonedeadpunk | I also didn't connect with Neil but also hardly around this week :( | 18:11 |
| gouthamr | could others take a look as well? | 18:11 |
| gouthamr | noonedeadpunk: ack; ty | 18:12 |
| spotz[m] | Neil as at Flock last week | 18:12 |
| fungi | neil didn't seem to be around either, yeah | 18:12 |
| gouthamr | gmann: thanks for the review | 18:12 |
| noonedeadpunk | Yup | 18:12 |
| fungi | though mnasiadka did chime in on the discussion at least | 18:12 |
| spotz[m] | I think he's at Devconf this week | 18:12 |
| gouthamr | alright; that's all the AIs I was tracking.. anyone else got any? | 18:13 |
| gouthamr | we'll chat about elections in a little bit | 18:14 |
| gouthamr | #topic A check on gate health | 18:14 |
| dansmith | I saw a number of typical fails this week, all volume-related but rechecks were moderately successful, which means things aren't too bad | 18:15 |
| dansmith | We also merged some new image format tests and sample generation in devstack/tempest, | 18:16 |
| gmann | ++ | 18:16 |
| gouthamr | ncioe | 18:16 |
| dansmith | which immediately started failing for nova's ceph job (because it doesn't actually ever see the image) and for the rocky jobs (because centos/rock's qemu and mkisofs are stripped down in terms of support) | 18:16 |
| gouthamr | nice* | 18:16 |
| dansmith | all of that is fixed (or in the gate to be fixed), but just FYI if any other fallout happens | 18:16 |
| fungi | there was a related discussion in #openstack-infra earlier today about whether we should switch the tox-py312 jobs from on-demand compiled python on debian-bullseye nodes to packaged python on the now available ubuntu-noble nodes, or whether it would be disruptive and should wait for after the release | 18:17 |
| gmann | py312 job is non voting in this cycle so doing it now should not be issue even give more time to fix it when it become voting in next cycle | 18:17 |
| fungi | and also some jobs are still getting switched from running on ubuntu-focal to ubuntu-jammy (ran into release-related failures last week necessitating it, for example) | 18:18 |
| gouthamr | oh; non devstack based jobs i presume? | 18:18 |
| JayF | well it's non-voting by default, are we sure no projects -- like SDKS -- are using it to gate against? | 18:18 |
| dansmith | gmann: agree, and better to be on noble anyway | 18:18 |
| fungi | clarkb was talking about possibly also switching the openstack tenant's default zuul nodeset from ubuntu-focal to ubuntu-jammy soon which might catch some more that haven't updated yet | 18:18 |
| gouthamr | ++ | 18:20 |
| fungi | #link https://review.opendev.org/922992 Switch the openstack-tox-py312* jobs to distro packages | 18:20 |
| fungi | in case anyone has feedback | 18:20 |
| gouthamr | thanks for the link, and the updates | 18:21 |
| fungi | yw | 18:21 |
| gmann | fungi: focal->jammy- you mean to do this at zuul base job or specific to openstack-tox job ? | 18:22 |
| gmann | we override the nodeset in openstack-tox and other job explicitly | 18:22 |
| fungi | gmann: the default nodeset in the base job, yes | 18:22 |
| fungi | so the impact is mainly going to be to jobs that don't inherit from openstack-tox | 18:22 |
| fungi | nor from devstack | 18:23 |
| gmann | yeah, should be ok I think as we do override the py version job with nodeset they are available by default | 18:23 |
| fungi | agreed, i don't think the impact will be widespread, just possibly surprising, especially for infrequently-run jobs | 18:24 |
| gmann | or we can do that in next cycle where we anyways need to move our testing to noble | 18:24 |
| gmann | either way is ok for me | 18:24 |
| fungi | thanks, i'll make sure to let him know once he's home | 18:24 |
| gmann | thanks | 18:24 |
| gouthamr | gmann: about that, were you planning on proposing a goal for this transition? or should we ask for volunteers interested in the effort? | 18:24 |
| gmann | I will do that | 18:25 |
| gmann | one more info - with new oslo.policy 4.4.0 (enabling new RBAC by default), there are many projects failing on requirement u-c change, which I am fixing one by one https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22secure-rbac%22+status:open | 18:25 |
| gmann | but if any project is missed and u-c change merge, this is something help to fix those | 18:26 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/requirements/+/925464 | 18:26 |
| gmann | this is requirement change | 18:26 |
| gmann | this only impact projects have not enabled the new RBAC by default. cinder, tacker are two example | 18:27 |
| gmann | that is all on this. | 18:28 |
| gouthamr | thanks gmann | 18:28 |
| gouthamr | on my end, devstack-plugin-ceph is finally merging changes to drop the old problematic package-based installation scripts | 18:29 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22cleanup-ceph-installer%22 (Cleanup ceph installer) | 18:30 |
| gouthamr | this stuff was propped up with borrowed beams and duct tape | 18:30 |
| gouthamr | but, i'll be happy to help people doing devstack testing with ceph to move away from it | 18:31 |
| gouthamr | (it = installing ceph via packages and using scripts to run ceph on the devstack host) | 18:31 |
| gouthamr | any other updates/questions/concerns to share regarding the gate? | 18:32 |
| gouthamr | #topic 2025.1 Elections | 18:33 |
| gouthamr | the nomination period begins tomorrow (Aug 14th) at 23:45 UTC | 18:34 |
| gouthamr | however, based on prior feedback, we've pre-created directories, and you see PTL nominees already adding their nominations | 18:34 |
| gouthamr | the election officials (slaweq and ianchoi) will be sending out an email kicking off the nominations | 18:35 |
| gouthamr | we've four seats to fill here; if you're not considering running for re-election, i'd like to take a moment to thank you for your service on the OpenStack TC | 18:36 |
| gouthamr | if you are considering running for re-election, i'd like to thank you for your continued commitment | 18:37 |
| gouthamr | that's all i wanted to get in on $topic | 18:38 |
| gouthamr | does anyone have anything to share/add? | 18:38 |
| gouthamr | #topic 2024.2 TC Tracker | 18:40 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-2024.2-tracker (Technical Committee activity tracker) | 18:40 |
| gouthamr | one update i can note here is from thuvh on the monasca change | 18:41 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/923919 (Inactive state extensions: Monasca) | 18:41 |
| gouthamr | anything else that needs to be brought up here, today? | 18:43 |
| gtema | not from me | 18:44 |
| spotz[m] | not me | 18:44 |
| gouthamr | thank you; lets move on to open discussion | 18:45 |
| gouthamr | #topic Open Discussion and Reviews | 18:45 |
| gouthamr | think we've been on top of reviews! thank you gmann for all the DPL transition patches | 18:46 |
| fungi | it may merit recalling the discussion last week about kolla's desire to integrate support for using hashicorp consul (a non-open-source software product). whether it posed any legal risks got discussed on the legal-discuss mailing list, but the outcome of that discussion has since been copied to openstack-discuss for further input (like whether the tc wants to place any limits on whether | 18:46 |
| fungi | kolla should install non-open-source software in upstream tests, whether kolla can distribute pre-built container images containing non-open-source software, and so on) | 18:46 |
| gmann | np! | 18:46 |
| JayF | Honestly, I don't like it but I think it's better to let that project team make that decision. | 18:47 |
| noonedeadpunk | Well, we had quite some discussion about ability to have gpl2 licensed code for Ansible collections | 18:48 |
| spotz[m] | I don't care for it either because if folks don't a license they could be stuck | 18:48 |
| noonedeadpunk | As there was a need to import Ansible livs | 18:48 |
| fungi | #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/message/TDHNR76BXRF6MJGRKOECM7H3CT5ICPZS/ LICENSE question - Openstack Masakari | 18:48 |
| noonedeadpunk | And the only proposed way back then was to manage under a sig | 18:48 |
| noonedeadpunk | Which really results in slightly annoying situation right now | 18:49 |
| noonedeadpunk | So if projects are allowed to do so, it would be interesting to re raise discussion about Ansible collections sig as well | 18:50 |
| fungi | i'll note on the topic of gpl2 the concern was specific to license incompatibility with apache, but that has very recently been a topic of debate as well, and there are some legal opinions that there may not be any actual risks to combining apache and gpl2 licensed software | 18:51 |
| noonedeadpunk | But bsl is not compatible either, is it? | 18:51 |
| fungi | but the kolla/masakari/consul discussion is something altogether different. gpl2 is an open source license, consul uses a non-open-source license | 18:51 |
| * noonedeadpunk not a lawyer though | 18:52 | |
| gouthamr | i think using community resources to test a non-opensource license software should be discouraged; can kolla live without this? and are scripts to avoid consul usable (and shipped/supported)? | 18:53 |
| fungi | how you combine them has some effect on whether you need the licenses to be compatible | 18:53 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20170530-binary-artifacts.html (2017-05-30 Guidelines for Managing Releases of Binary Artifacts) | 18:53 |
| noonedeadpunk | There's actually a proposal to masakari to use k8s for detecting compute state | 18:53 |
| gouthamr | (^ fungi pointed this out during the original discussion; thanks) | 18:53 |
| noonedeadpunk | It's at blueprint stage right now, but it would eliminate need for consul there | 18:54 |
| fungi | yeah, the tc resolution on binary artifacts mainly just requires that the kolla team not claim openstack is supporting production use or claiming responsibility for the images they publish | 18:54 |
| noonedeadpunk | Though I kind of don't like either method for masakari... I really don't understand why they can't use some tooz driver for detecting if node is down | 18:55 |
| gouthamr | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/masakari/+spec/host-monitors-by-kubernetes (host monitor by kubernetes) | 18:55 |
| noonedeadpunk | Anyway... | 18:55 |
| gmann | next item about testing runtime | 18:57 |
| gmann | Testing runtime for 2025.1 (SLURP release) is ready for review. Please check, or if needed, we can discuss it here also. I have noted the diff from the previous cycle runtime in the commit-msg. | 18:57 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/926150 | 18:57 |
| gmann | as this is SLURP release, along with ubuntu noble as our default testing ditro version, we will keep testing the jammy also for smooth upgrade | 18:57 |
| gmann | and keeping py3.9 as min | 18:58 |
| gmann | I proposed job template also | 18:58 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs/+/926152/1 | 18:58 |
| noonedeadpunk | I wonder if this hashi part can be in a separate repo from rest of the kolla? | 18:58 |
| gmann | this is for upcoming stable/2024.2 | 18:58 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs/+/926153/1 | 18:59 |
| gmann | and this for 2025.1 ^^ | 18:59 |
| noonedeadpunk | Just to be able to govern it somehow differently from rest of the kolla as well as allow users to avoid using these bits | 18:59 |
| gouthamr | intertwined communication; fungi noonedeadpunk: maybe we can add this as a topic to the next week's meeting? | 18:59 |
| fungi | noonedeadpunk: yes, one of the questions i asked and never got answered from the kolla end is whether it could be made to work with hashicorp's container images and/or whether the kolla team intends to redsitribute copies of consul in their own container images | 18:59 |
| gtema | we do plan to ask project for dropping 3.8 though, right? | 18:59 |
| fungi | gouthamr: yes, or just follow up on the mailing list in the meantime | 19:00 |
| gouthamr | perfect | 19:00 |
| gmann | gtema: yes, that is ongoing, I am going to push some in this cycle and start of next cycle | 19:00 |
| gouthamr | gmann: thank you for working on the PTI/runtime updates! | 19:00 |
| gouthamr | we're at the hour | 19:00 |
| gmann | gtema: but we will be able to drop that before m-1 of 2025.1 | 19:00 |
| gtema | gmann - perfect, thanks | 19:00 |
| gouthamr | fungi: thanks for bringing this up; i'll set a topic for next week; and we can gather some context as well | 19:00 |
| gouthamr | thank you all for attending this meeting | 19:01 |
| gouthamr | i'll see you here next week \o/ | 19:01 |
| gouthamr | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Aug 13 19:01:22 2024 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2024/tc.2024-08-13-18.00.html | 19:01 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2024/tc.2024-08-13-18.00.txt | 19:01 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2024/tc.2024-08-13-18.00.log.html | 19:01 |
| spotz[m] | Thanks gouthamr | 19:01 |
| gtema | thanks | 19:01 |
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| opendevreview | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Review "Tool support for image creation" https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/923650 | 23:28 |
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