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| opendevreview | Elod Illes proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Setup 2025.1 Epoxy and add project data to Dalmatian https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/930331 | 14:19 |
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| opendevreview | Elod Illes proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Set 2024.2 Dalmatian as released https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/930332 | 14:19 |
| elodilles | frickler: ^^^ | 14:20 |
| frickler | elodilles: thx, +2. tc-members: ^^ the first of these should be merged soon if possible, the second one close to the release | 15:18 |
| cardoe | I was actually just reviewing patch 1 and I see patch 2 now | 15:19 |
| frickler | I also have two updates for the install-guide that could receive similar treatment https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/930356 | 15:20 |
| cardoe | So we don't have a rollcall on the epoxy one, I can +1 workflow it if you want? | 15:22 |
| frickler | cardoe: openstack-manuals has just the normal review process with 2 core-reviews needed to approve, so feel free to approve, yes | 15:37 |
| cardoe | Done. | 15:51 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Setup 2025.1 Epoxy and add project data to Dalmatian https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/930331 | 15:59 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: install-guide: Add 2024.1 and drop old releases https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/930356 | 16:00 |
| spotz[m] | gouthamr: put the calendar on my to do | 16:43 |
| gouthamr | spotz[m]: thank you | 19:15 |
| gouthamr | is there any reference somewhere where we require a PTL candidate to have contributed to the project to be an eligible candidate? | 19:16 |
| JayF | They are required to have done that /to be eligible to be elected/ | 19:16 |
| JayF | I don't think that's required if you're appointed | 19:17 |
| fungi | gouthamr: yes, it's in the tc charter | 19:17 |
| fungi | amd JayF is correct, it's criteria to nominate yourself for election. the tc can (and does) ignore that requirement when necessary if appointing a ptl | 19:17 |
| gouthamr | ah thank you both.. is it our preference to have a project contributor be PTL if there are multiple contenders during an appointment? | 19:18 |
| fungi | that's a question for the tc as a whole, but in the past yes that has been one of the considerations during appointments | 19:18 |
| gouthamr | asking because i think one of watcher's contributors is interested to continue maintaining the project | 19:19 |
| gouthamr | but, they've been sporadically unavailable, and didn't nominate themselves as PTL | 19:19 |
| gouthamr | while a new set of users seems to be interested; but, hasn't contributed to the project | 19:19 |
| JayF | gouthamr: as a TC member, I would not have RC+1'd an appointment for a PTL who had zero openstack contribution. And they'd have to have sizable contribution across other openstack projects if they'd never contributed there for me to trust that to vote on. | 19:20 |
| JayF | gouthamr: I always think about https://www.wired.com/story/jia-tan-xz-backdoor/ now when considering those things | 19:20 |
| gouthamr | JayF: +1 true.. we would need to trust the appointed leader; and a proven contribution record is a must, i agree.. | 19:21 |
| gouthamr | okay; i will suggest a conversation between the existing maintainer/s and the newly interested maintainers.. maybe, DPL is a good way to revive watcher for this upcoming cycle.. allows someone we trust, like smooney to step up and revive the project, a la dansmith; while also preserving the ability of the prior maintainers to continue if they please | 19:24 |
| gmann | PTL has to be APC but for appointment it is not required | 19:24 |
| JayF | Yeah, I think the model of "interested new major contributor audited+mentored by existing contributor" is pretty much maximum ideal for this situation | 19:25 |
| gmann | we have done in past to retrieve the project maintenance. but those were case where there were no maintainers left for that project and a set of new maintainer coming up to help in project maintenance | 19:25 |
| gouthamr | yep; thanks gmann.. i looked for that language only in the election pages; but we've called it out here: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html#candidates-for-ptl-seats | 19:25 |
| gmann | yes | 19:26 |
| gmann | PTL and electorates for PTL eletion has to be APC | 19:26 |
| gouthamr | ack | 19:27 |
| gmann | gouthamr: is this specific to the PTL appointment or in general you are asking? | 19:27 |
| gmann | this one? https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/927962 | 19:28 |
| gouthamr | gmann: PTL appointment for watcher; re: this thread: https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/3DRYZFDPVCZ45TOULOZ4R7K6BUOIHLU2/ | 19:28 |
| gmann | yeah, chenker was previous PTL and I think they are merging the changes now and in past. In between of these last 2-3 cycle, chenker was not present as they mentioned the reason in email also | 19:30 |
| gmann | gouthamr: I think we should give them chance if they want to volunteer again and see if they retrieve the project status | 19:31 |
| gmann | and I think sean also volunteer to help there | 19:31 |
| gmann | and if sean is volunteering the PTL I am +1 on that. Sean is one of most active contributor in the community now a days and helping in a lot of area. | 19:32 |
| gmann | with these two maintainers volunteering which is one existing and one new, projects hijack risk is very rare | 19:33 |
| gmann | but my best suggestion is to move to DPL model and see the situation in this cycle | 19:34 |
| gouthamr | and we have some of us as cores as well | 19:34 |
| gmann | I might be in core but I volunteer for intermediate help to land some gate fix and after that i do not +2 there. Once this transition is done I will be removing myself from core there | 19:35 |
| gmann | *volunteered | 19:35 |
| gouthamr | ah ack; i'll call this out.. | 19:36 |
| gmann | but if sean and chenker are ready to maintain I am ok to keep project active and in DPL model. and monitor it for this cycle | 19:36 |
| * gouthamr GRR reply-to-list stupid gmail | 19:49 | |
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