| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Fix OpenStack Charms PTL https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/965013 | 15:25 |
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| spotz[m] | Will be a little late meeting conflict | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | ack spotz[m] | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | tc-members: we start in ~1 min | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | we start now :D | 16:00 |
| bauzas | gouthamr: a bit late, I'll join in 5 mins | 16:04 |
| bauzas | still on the nova PTG | 16:04 |
| JayF | Where are sig chairs defined? I can't find it in governance/ | 18:13 |
| fungi | JayF: governance-sigs | 18:14 |
| fungi | it's a separate repo | 18:14 |
| fungi | because historically it was shared jurisdiction between the tc and uc | 18:14 |
| fungi | as all the uc working groups were converted to sigs in the beginning | 18:15 |
| JayF | ah, I was a bare metal major not a history major ;) lol | 18:15 |
| JayF | thanks | 18:15 |
| JayF | I'm starting out by adding myself as co-chair, you can remove yourself after I've done the thing a few months :D | 18:16 |
| fungi | however long you need | 18:16 |
| opendevreview | Jay Faulkner proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: [security] JayF as security SIG co-chair https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-sigs/+/965168 | 18:16 |
| fungi | just be aware that i'm mostly an absentee landlord there, you can't realistically do *less* than i have | 18:17 |
| gouthamr | JayF: gmaan | 18:18 |
| gouthamr | gah, sorry - did you use the same house rules for the governance-sigs repo? | 18:18 |
| gouthamr | i.e., setting topics, merging things with formal-vote etc? | 18:19 |
| JayF | I spent 2 entire TC membership terms not knowing it existe | 18:19 |
| JayF | *existed | 18:19 |
| JayF | lol | 18:19 |
| gouthamr | :P crap, i could have followed suit | 18:19 |
| gmaan | gouthamr: very long back when it was uc and tc, it was combined vote from both team but it was never a formal-vote from tc side. | 18:20 |
| gouthamr | oh i see, so this was under the UC back then? | 18:21 |
| gmaan | after uc merged in tc, it was more a normal code review unless status change for any specific SIG. I hardly remember we changed the SIG status for many years. But its worth a formal-vote for SIG status change or new SIG proposal and everything else a normal review | 18:21 |
| gmaan | it was under both UC and TC. | 18:22 |
| gouthamr | ack, maybe we could just roll this into "governance" now.. | 18:22 |
| gmaan | SIG addition/removal/status change is formal-vote kind of decision which same as project addition/removal | 18:22 |
| gouthamr | i.e., move contents in one place and retire the governance-sigs repo.. | 18:22 |
| JayF | ++ | 18:23 |
| gmaan | yeah, ++ to add it in governance repo itself | 18:23 |
| gouthamr | yeah, i agree, we can use the "project-update" label to update the SIG chairs | 18:23 |
| gmaan | and that way you can monitor it more closely than current structure | 18:23 |
| gouthamr | ++ | 18:24 |
| gmaan | if we can manage SIG table on same or nearby place to projects.html that will be more visible for user also | 18:24 |
| gouthamr | yeah, less confusing for sure | 18:24 |
| tonyb | I can go either way. It isn't that hard to track multiple repos | 18:24 |
| gmaan | not repo but what all SIG we have, kind of high level info and then link to repo list like we have for projects | 18:25 |
| tonyb | So I can +W the chair addition as I'm the second +2 and it has fungi's +1 ? | 18:25 |
| gouthamr | go ahead tonyb | 18:25 |
| tonyb | gmaan: I think I get that. I meant that tracking openstack/governance and openstack/governance-sigs (multiple repos) isn't any harder than combining those two repos | 18:29 |
| gmaan | honestly saying, one of the reason behind untracked SIG data was different repos where TC focused on governance repo most of the time | 18:30 |
| gmaan | if we are adding some process to track it periodically then of course it does not matter if it different repo or in same | 18:31 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance-sigs master: [security] JayF as security SIG co-chair https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-sigs/+/965168 | 18:33 |
| gmaan | tonyb: gouthamr: also, SIG does not need to be retire always, it can be marked as 'Completed' if it served the purpose otherwise retired if not yet served the purpose. Completed SIGs goes here https://github.com/openstack/governance-sigs/blob/master/completed-sigs.yaml | 18:36 |
| tonyb | That may be part of the reason it's old data. I don't think I'm proposing adding a process to regularly track it. I am volunteering to do the work this cycle. | 18:36 |
| gmaan | ++ | 18:36 |
| tonyb | gmaan: Yup | 18:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | just an fyi the ptg still say the current tc session is "Community Leaders' Forum" and comming up next is "Runtimes and project testing guidelines" which is either for thusday/friday or already happend | 18:36 |
| gouthamr | yikes | 18:36 |
| gouthamr | :( | 18:36 |
| gouthamr | ty sean-k-mooney | 18:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | no worries i was going to join since i saw it was not finsihed for today | 18:37 |
| gouthamr | sean-k-mooney: it already happened, we took some notes, and i'll summarize this to the ML | 18:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | but then i realised it was just not updated | 18:38 |
| gouthamr | ty for noticing it, my brain was stashed elsewhere | 18:38 |
| gmaan | I feel it is better and worth to combine it in projects page (title of this page can be different, something like OpenStack Project & SIG Teams) here https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/projects/ | 18:38 |
| gmaan | for visibility to users and keeping things up to date | 18:38 |
| gouthamr | working on this, seems easy, i should go check how the websites are configured though | 18:38 |
| gmaan | ++ | 18:39 |
| fungi | to be clear, sigs were basically the precursor to the merging of the uc into the tc. we had some horizontal efforts governed by the tc and working groups governed by the uc (mostly inherited from the foundation board of directors previously), and created a joint meta-sig to govern all of those as sigs | 18:59 |
| fungi | the meta-sig was staffed by representatives from the tc and uc | 19:00 |
| * gouthamr still sees at least one reference to the meta sig | 19:01 | |
| fungi | it probably still exists as part of the sig governance process, but could logically be replaced by the tc now | 19:05 |
| fungi | (it effectively already has been) | 19:05 |
| gouthamr | yes, we'll just fix up the docs to reflect this.. ty fungi | 19:08 |
| fungi | it's funny, at one time i thought the measure of my accomplishment was the number of leadership positions i held. now i know it's the number of leadership positions i've handed over to others ;) | 19:13 |
| spotz[m] | hehe | 19:13 |
| gouthamr | enlightenment :) | 19:13 |
| JayF | that's not what you told me in private when begging me to take over the security sig, fungi /s | 19:15 |
| JayF | :P | 19:15 |
| gouthamr | we should get you a grand master oogway t-shirt at the next event | 19:15 |
| fungi | what, whitewashing this fence isn't as exciting as i implied? | 19:15 |
| gouthamr | or tom sawyer then | 19:16 |
| JayF | :D | 19:17 |
| JayF | More that I think I'm a highly qualified seatwarmer | 19:17 |
| JayF | decades of experience | 19:17 |
| gouthamr | chief chairperson | 19:18 |
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