| gibi | hi! I'm not sure if this is the right channel to raise this but probably close enough. I got 5 independnet vote request for the same board of directors election ballot form LF. I casted my votes once but the page still says I have 4 other voting requests. I checked those requests are for the same ballot. | 08:12 |
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| mnasiadka | gibi: I think everybody got the same | 08:40 |
| mnasiadka | fungi: Are you able to relay that to the foundation and get some understanding if we should vote 5 times? ;-) | 08:41 |
| bauzas | I reveived no vote request :( | 10:40 |
| frickler | bauzas: did you create an LFX account? you should have received mail about that in December. (I delayed reacting to that, too) | 11:07 |
| bauzas | hmmm, no | 11:08 |
| bauzas | wait, I'm an individual member, not a community member | 11:09 |
| bauzas | oh nvm, community is less than individual, my bad | 11:10 |
| frickler | does that distinction still exist with LF? also, it seems I did create an account, I can see the election when I login, but didn't receive mail | 11:11 |
| bauzas | frickler so I need to go to LF and create an account ? sounds an extra undocumented step of the transitioin | 11:11 |
| * bauzas reads back wes email from July 8, I'm pretty sure I did the required steps | 11:13 | |
| frickler | there were two emails on Dec 18, one from jbryce_ and one from noreply@lfx.linuxfoundation.org | 11:20 |
| frickler | in fact, I also do see not only one election, but 5 of them | 11:21 |
| frickler | oh, looking closer I did receive 5 mails, too. all htmlonly and the voting gets tracked via https://xxx.us-west-2.awstrack.me/. not nice, I'd say | 11:25 |
| frickler | and now there's a sixth mail ... | 11:51 |
| gibi | yeah I got a 6th one too | 11:53 |
| fungi | i'm just waking up but i'll pass all this along to the folks running the election | 12:58 |
| fungi | as for notification, i believe anyone who was an individual member of the new foundation by the cut-off who didn't have an lfid under one of their oif member addresses should have received an e-mail to their primary address telling them they'd need an lfid in order to vote (about a month ago? i probably have mine saved but would need to dig) | 13:02 |
| fungi | this is because the new governing board's elections are using lf's systems rather than the third party we used to pay for | 13:03 |
| bauzas | interesting, I *was* already having a LF account so I still don't understand *why* I didn't get those vote requests | 13:40 |
| fungi | bauzas: when you reestablished your oif individual membership, did you do it prior to the 6-month-before-election deadline? were you maybe one of the users who ran into membership getting un-established and prompted to reestablish if you logged into openinfra.dev instead of openinfra.org? i think that ended up resetting the membership establishment date | 13:45 |
| bauzas | yep, I did it before IIRC | 13:46 |
| gmaan | bauzas: maybe it is good to check if email is same in LF, afaik, election voting ballot will be sent on the email in LF profile | 16:04 |
| bauzas | the email address is the same : sbauza@free.fr | 16:05 |
| bauzas | for both OIF account and LF one | 16:06 |
| clarkb | it sounds like the problem they are working on fixing affected valid users including bauzas. The expectation is that by fixing that problem you will see a ballot | 16:10 |
| clarkb | s/valid users/valid electorate members/ or whatever the appropriate term is there | 16:11 |
| bauzas | maybe my own problem was due to my email operator | 16:11 |
| clarkb | no I think the problem was on the tool side | 16:11 |
| clarkb | but they are working to fix that and expect the next attempt will sort the problem for you | 16:11 |
| bauzas | ack, will see | 16:11 |
| bauzas | thanks clarkb | 16:11 |
| clarkb | semi related to previous discussion: https://xcancel.com/trq212/status/2009689809875591565#m anthropic has begun using the ban hammer for tos violations (they then undid the bans because apparently people felt the tos wasn't clear enough) | 16:40 |
| sean-k-mooney | i also dint have a LF acocunt i got the emails for the indivual elector vots but even after creating an account i cant use them | 19:10 |
| sean-k-mooney | i assume ye were talksign abouthte "Invitation to Participate in: OpenInfra Foundation 2026 Individual Director Election" emails? | 19:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | i cant see anywhere where i would vot on the "Individual Dashboard" | 19:12 |
| fungi | sean-k-mooney: you may have caught it in the middle of being redone, see later communications about restarting the election once the lf team works out some bugs | 19:15 |
| fungi | it's not ready at present, they're still trying to fix the platform to work at our scale | 19:15 |
| fungi | perhaps surprisingly, lf has never used their system to run an election this large before | 19:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | well we can alwasy fall back to concordent | 19:16 |
| fungi | i think they'd go back to using bigpulse, like they did for the old board elections | 19:17 |
| fungi | we tried, unsuccessfully, to convince counsel years ago that we should do board elections with condorcet | 19:17 |
| fungi | at the time they expressed concern that there were no organizations incorporated in delaware (where openstack foundation was incorporated) relying on concorcet to elect their directors, and suggested stv as an alternative | 19:18 |
| fungi | now that we're a sub-organization of lf (incorporated in oregon), we've got a bit more flexibility with voting options, but also for the moment limited by what lfx supports | 19:20 |
| fungi | to be clear, bigpulse and lfx are election platforms, we did proportional voting on bigpulse and i think it's (going to be) stv on lfx. tc elections use the condorcet method with civs as the platform | 19:22 |
| sean-k-mooney | ack im not sure why they wanted it to be incopreated in delaware as well but i guess that not relvente anymore | 19:22 |
| fungi | delaware is a very popular state to incorporate in, because their laws for nonprofit organizations are very lenient and the paperwork required is fairly minimal | 19:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | are we goign to keep using condorcet for the ptl ectra elections | 19:23 |
| fungi | in the foreseeable future, yes | 19:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | sure im just not sure why the third party election service wouold also need to be there | 19:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | perhaps in case of leagal action ot simplfy the relevnet laws | 19:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | i.e. if someone tool leagal action ot contest an election | 19:24 |
| fungi | i had some discussions about the suitability of the lfx committees election platform for tc elections, but at the moment it's just not doable in my opinion. for one thing, lf considers contributor affiliation data private, so election officials would need to be lf employees to get access to ut | 19:24 |
| fungi | s/ut/it/ | 19:24 |
| fungi | basically, lf's election platform is designed for lf employees to run elections, it's really not accessible for community volunteer-run elections | 19:25 |
| fungi | to be clear, cncf also doesn't use it for elections, nor does the kubernetes community | 19:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | ack so is this just an experiment to see if we can reduce the number of election plathform by adopting it? | 19:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | it sound like its not really intended for this usecause today | 19:29 |
| fungi | i think it's intended for this use case but not battle tested for it, though lf has a desire to make sure it's suitable for the oif governing board's needs | 19:34 |
| fungi | i get the impression that the committees and boards relying on it today have at most a few dozen voters rather than thousands | 19:35 |
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