| dansmith | fungi: any chance you want to kickban Vii, who has been bouncing in here for a couple days and scrolling history off the screen? | 15:06 |
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| dansmith | or are you only bridged to IRC with a fancy client now such that you don't care about us anymore? :D | 15:07 |
| fungi | 15:09 -- ChanServ (services@services.oftc.net): AKICK *!~Vii@* added. | 15:09 |
| fungi | hopefully that does the trick | 15:09 |
| fungi | since they weren't in the channel i couldn't have it reference their nick directly | 15:09 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +b *!~Vii@* | 15:31 | |
| *** Vii was kicked by ChanServ (constantly parting due to ping timeouts) | 15:31 | |
| dansmith | fungi: thanks | 15:36 |
| fungi | looks like it did indeed work | 15:36 |
| dansmith | indeed | 15:36 |
| fungi | and it included my comment, so hopefully they see that in their client if they're paying any attention at all | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | tc-members: a gentle reminder that our weekly meeting will be hosted here in ~40 minutes: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Agenda | 16:19 |
| gouthamr | #startmeeting tc | 17:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Mar 3 17:00:08 2026 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gouthamr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 17:00 |
| gouthamr | Welcome to the weekly meeting of the OpenStack Technical Committee. A reminder that this meeting is held under the OpenInfra Code of Conduct available at https://openinfra.dev/legal/code-of-conduct. | 17:00 |
| gouthamr | Today's meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 17:00 |
| gouthamr | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
| noonedeadpunk | semi-o/ here | 17:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 17:00 |
| cardoe | o/ | 17:00 |
| bauzas | o/ | 17:01 |
| spotz[m] | o/ | 17:02 |
| gouthamr | courtesy-ping: frickler, spotz[m], mnasiadka | 17:02 |
| gouthamr | noted absence: t o n y b | 17:02 |
| mnasiadka | O/ | 17:03 |
| spotz[m] | Hey I waved! | 17:03 |
| gouthamr | my bad! :D | 17:03 |
| spotz[m] | Hehe | 17:04 |
| gouthamr | alright that's nearly everybody.. lets get started.. | 17:05 |
| gouthamr | #topic Last Week's AIs | 17:05 |
| gouthamr | one substantive one was around proposing a charter change and/or a resolution to treat reviewers as contributors | 17:06 |
| gouthamr | frickler would be working on this.. no rush since elections are underway and this change will come into effect the next cycle if we accepted it.. | 17:07 |
| gouthamr | lets check in async on this one | 17:07 |
| gouthamr | there was a discussion on the requirements repo needing help on borked stable branch CI | 17:08 |
| gouthamr | no AI per-se, but, was curious if the situation had improved | 17:08 |
| gouthamr | ah not yet by the looks of it: | 17:09 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/requirements+branch:stable/2025.1 | 17:10 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/requirements+branch:stable/2024.2 | 17:10 |
| gouthamr | but some patches based on the x-static lib releases and pinning setuptools seem like they're tackling the issue we were concerned about | 17:11 |
| frickler | late o/ | 17:11 |
| gouthamr | hey frickler | 17:12 |
| gouthamr | anything to add to the above AIs? | 17:12 |
| frickler | yes, no progress on reqs stable branches afaict | 17:12 |
| frickler | and I'll start the charter change in a week or two only | 17:13 |
| fungi | also last i heard master/gazpacho translations are broken by one of the django/babel integration libs used by horizon and its plugins still relying on pkg_resources | 17:13 |
| gouthamr | oh | 17:13 |
| fungi | #link https://github.com/Zegocover/enmerkar/pull/8 Use importlib.metadata instead of pkg_resources for version | 17:14 |
| fungi | seems to be abandoned for the past 5 years or so, and i didn't find any obvious replacements for that | 17:14 |
| gouthamr | ugh :( fork of a project last updated about a decade ago | 17:15 |
| fungi | yeah, with no newer forks that i could locate | 17:16 |
| fungi | so either horizon family translations are going to need rearchitecting or openstack will end up adopting yet another dependency | 17:16 |
| dansmith | should I whip out the obligatory link to the xkcd dependency diagram? | 17:16 |
| gouthamr | ack, ty for sharing fungi frickler | 17:16 |
| gouthamr | haha, somedays, we're all the "random person in nebraska".. | 17:17 |
| gouthamr | alright, that's all the AIs i see, was there anything else to mention? | 17:18 |
| gouthamr | #topic 2026.2 Elections | 17:19 |
| gouthamr | ^ going a bit out of order here.. | 17:19 |
| gouthamr | the TC was re-formed last week when we merged the election update: | 17:20 |
| gouthamr | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/#current-members | 17:20 |
| gouthamr | welcome back to the tc, dansmith! | 17:20 |
| dansmith | please accept my apologies in advance | 17:20 |
| gouthamr | for? | 17:21 |
| gouthamr | oh wait | 17:21 |
| dansmith | ...being here again :) | 17:21 |
| gouthamr | haha | 17:21 |
| gouthamr | we've to do a number of new-TC things this week: | 17:22 |
| gouthamr | - electing a chair | 17:22 |
| gouthamr | - refreshing TC liaisons on DPL teams, the Vulnerability Management Team and the election process | 17:22 |
| gouthamr | - finding a new meeting time if necessary | 17:22 |
| spotz[m] | Hehe | 17:22 |
| gouthamr | i'll create the chair nomination directory after this meeting.. if you'd like to volunteer, please do add your name. if an election is warranted, we'll run one after ~3 days | 17:24 |
| gouthamr | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc//reference/tc-chair-elections.html | 17:24 |
| gouthamr | once we have a chair, we can discuss a vice-chair, and refresh the liaisons | 17:25 |
| spotz[m] | Not it! | 17:26 |
| dansmith | oh snap, is it playground rules now? not it! | 17:26 |
| gouthamr | to find a new time, i'll share a poll as usual with good overlapping time slots and bug you to fill it out.. if we have timely responses and we favor a change, we'll try and do it next week | 17:27 |
| gouthamr | DST will be here soon for many of us | 17:27 |
| spotz[m] | This coming weekend in the US | 17:28 |
| gouthamr | and this ritual will wreak all sorts of havoc on calendars.. so please do look at the old time (for a couple of weeks in the EU) and the new time to make a decision | 17:29 |
| gouthamr | that said, elections are ongoing for Horizon and Barbican.. they'll conclude on Mar 18, 2026 at 23:45 UTC: | 17:30 |
| gouthamr | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 17:30 |
| gouthamr | in related news, the release team has requested election officials to post the dates for the 2027.1 election asap.. think that's a good idea, we'll follow up on #openstack-election | 17:31 |
| gouthamr | anything else to share regarding this? | 17:31 |
| gouthamr | #topic Outreachy 2026 wrap up | 17:33 |
| gouthamr | just a topic for awareness.. we're concluding an Outreachy internship in the community this week.. Rose Kimondo was working on a project with the Manila team, and has done some amazing UI work in the past three months. Her internship blog is here: https://rosekimondo.dev/blog/ | 17:33 |
| spotz[m] | We’re still trying to find funding for the next Outreachy cohort if anyone’s company would like to contribute | 17:34 |
| gouthamr | +1 we've had a great engagement with Outreachy interns over the past decade as one of the earliest open source communities to engage with the effort.. I do hope this continues.. | 17:34 |
| cardoe | Manila UI is horizon, skyline or something else? | 17:34 |
| gouthamr | cardoe: horizon | 17:34 |
| gouthamr | this means we need financial sponsorship, time and effort in terms of mentorship and if there are opportunities to hire the intern after the internship, they get to stay in the community | 17:35 |
| mnasiadka | I think all *-ui are Horizon, skyline has all it’s dashboards in-repo | 17:35 |
| gouthamr | so if you're aware of any means of help, it's most welcome! happy to chat directly, or on the openstack-discuss ML if you need more info | 17:37 |
| gouthamr | that's all about this $topic | 17:37 |
| gouthamr | let's move to our next one.. | 17:38 |
| gouthamr | #topic Addressing leaderless teams | 17:38 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/2026.2-leaderless | 17:38 |
| gouthamr | i think with the new TC in place, this is a good time to start working through this list | 17:38 |
| gouthamr | noonedeadpunk: JayF: ty for responding to the ML thread regarding Masakari's PTL post | 17:40 |
| gouthamr | #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/5AVJGWEYSZOCMFNK2SPTGIXLYFXWXSQV/ ([Masakari] PTL Nomination �C Deadline Feb 18 23:45 UTC) | 17:40 |
| noonedeadpunk | I'd be glad to help the team if they decide to go DPL | 17:41 |
| gouthamr | +1, i think that's a good strategy if there are a few that could piecemeal the day to day governance activities | 17:41 |
| JayF | It feels like we might want to look beyond the next six months to help ensure we've got a healthy community. | 17:42 |
| JayF | I am skeptical, given current evidence, that we wouldn't find ourselves in a similar situation in 6 months. Are we OK with the TC having to handhold governance for this project in perpetuity? | 17:43 |
| gouthamr | hope not, i'm hoping the current lack of experience will be temporary | 17:43 |
| gouthamr | i'll also leave some notes for them to discuss in their meeting doc.. noonedeadpunk would engage more closely than i would though.. so thank you :) | 17:47 |
| JayF | As long as we have hope for it in the longer term. It being a compelling service for VMWare migrating users is a good reason to keep it alive, but the "is it active" judgement has to be about the state of maintenance, available volunteers, and engagement with the overall OpenStack community. | 17:48 |
| dansmith | agreed about potential coming relevance.. it's probably worth tempering the immediate concerns over maintenance for something like this a little more than something else that both has no maintainers and no obvious/compelling pending potential | 17:49 |
| gouthamr | pretty active, the etherpad has a snapshot: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/2026.2-leaderless | 17:50 |
| dansmith | watcher was basically in a similar situation and recently got an influx of energy as a result of the "market conditions" | 17:50 |
| gouthamr | in that sense masakari is like watcher | 17:51 |
| bauzas | we can hold a decision for now IMHO | 17:52 |
| spotz[m] | If folks are interested it makes sense to give them more time and guidance | 17:52 |
| gouthamr | ack.. let's wait on the response to this.. | 17:53 |
| noonedeadpunk | I would offer more help with masakari, but currently I am falling behind my plans regarding freezer | 17:54 |
| noonedeadpunk | due to various reasons | 17:54 |
| JayF | dansmith: I'm just trying to ensure the Openstack-market-conditions encourage that level of re-investment into Masakari as well :D | 17:54 |
| noonedeadpunk | But I was continiously keeping an eye on the project general health for couple of years at very least | 17:54 |
| gouthamr | noonedeadpunk: helping out with sorting out the project's governance would still be very valuable | 17:54 |
| gouthamr | i.e., sharing with them how to proceed with the DPL process | 17:55 |
| noonedeadpunk | ++ | 17:55 |
| gouthamr | venus and vitrage are neither 'active' nor have had a PTL lately: | 17:55 |
| gouthamr | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/emerging-technology-and-inactive-projects.html#current-inactive-projects | 17:55 |
| gouthamr | do we have any volunteers in the TC that would like to shepherd their retirement? We'd begin by asking on the ML if there are any volunteers to revive these projects and take over their governance | 17:55 |
| noonedeadpunk | as I've failed to do anything about vitrage, I think we should retire it now... and I have not heard anybody asking for it revival for a while | 17:56 |
| gouthamr | yes | 17:58 |
| gouthamr | we only have a couple of mins, we can continue the discussion here after the meeting if necessary.. we do have PTL and DPL patches to review as well: | 18:00 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/governance+status:open | 18:00 |
| gouthamr | requirements, oslo would like to continue DPL.. but we'll need votes from all liaisons.. | 18:00 |
| gouthamr | we have late nominations that need appointments in skyline and mistral | 18:00 |
| gouthamr | aaand i type slow | 18:00 |
| gouthamr | we're at the hour.. so lets wrap up the meeting here | 18:01 |
| gouthamr | is there anything else you'd like to add to the minutes this week? | 18:01 |
| gouthamr | thank you all for joining.. will follow up on some of the new TC AIs here | 18:02 |
| gouthamr | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Mar 3 18:02:37 2026 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:02 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2026/tc.2026-03-03-17.00.html | 18:02 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2026/tc.2026-03-03-17.00.txt | 18:02 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2026/tc.2026-03-03-17.00.log.html | 18:02 |
| spotz[m] | Thanks all and welcome back Dan | 18:03 |
| dansmith | o7 | 18:06 |
| opendevreview | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/governance master: Define testing runtime for 2026.2 release https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/976691 | 18:50 |
| gouthamr | tc-members: hoping to timebox this runtime update to this week, it's been open for a while now.. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/976691 | 18:51 |
| gouthamr | so please review | 18:51 |
| opendevreview | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/governance master: Add TC chair nomination directory https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/978811 | 18:54 |
| opendevreview | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/governance master: Add gouthamr TC chair nomination for 2026.2 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/978813 | 19:16 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Add TC chair nomination directory https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/978811 | 21:17 |
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