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| gouthamr | tc-members: a gentle reminder that our weekly meeting will be hosted here in ~40 minutes | 16:22 |
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| gouthamr | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Agenda | 16:23 |
| gtema | gouthamr: I am still on PTO | 16:27 |
| gouthamr | gtema: ack, ty for letting me know | 16:55 |
| gouthamr | #startmeeting tc | 17:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Sep 29 17:00:43 2026 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gouthamr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 17:00 |
| gouthamr | Welcome to the weekly meeting of the OpenStack Technical Committee. A reminder that this meeting is held under the OpenInfra Code of Conduct available at https://openinfra.dev/legal/code-of-conduct. | 17:00 |
| gouthamr | Today's meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Agenda | 17:00 |
| gouthamr | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
| spotz[m] | o/ | 17:01 |
| frickler | \o | 17:01 |
| gouthamr | noted-absence: g t e m a | 17:02 |
| gouthamr | courtesy-ping: noonedeadpunk cardoe mnasiadka dansmith berendt | 17:02 |
| mnasiadka | o/ | 17:02 |
| dansmith | o/ | 17:02 |
| cardoe | o/ | 17:02 |
| gouthamr | alright, time to get started.. | 17:05 |
| gouthamr | #topic Last Week's Action Items | 17:05 |
| gouthamr | we noted a bunch of languishing reviews to take care of | 17:06 |
| ChristianBerendt[m] | o/ | 17:06 |
| gouthamr | now that the new TC is seated, it's a great time to do that.. if you haven't voted yet, there are open proposals here: | 17:07 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/governance+status:open | 17:07 |
| gouthamr | i need some more eyes on this PTL documentation: | 17:07 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/1005080 (doc: Add PTL doc) | 17:07 |
| gouthamr | i intend to get this in today, please let me know if you'd liek additional time | 17:08 |
| spotz[m] | I went to review that from my phone the other day and it wouldn't come up, let me do that real quick | 17:09 |
| gouthamr | likewise, please do take a look at this proposal: | 17:09 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/998652 (Add Rust use-case analysis for Keystone) | 17:09 |
| gouthamr | i'm hoping we can drive some action at the PTG.. if we need some space in working sessions to do so, we can | 17:09 |
| spotz[m] | Remind me to follow up on 1005080 with some minor grammar, not worth a -1 | 17:10 |
| gouthamr | ++ ty | 17:11 |
| gouthamr | the other action items were around the PTG, we'll chat about them in a bit | 17:11 |
| gouthamr | and some start-of-the-cycle assignments post elections | 17:12 |
| gouthamr | that's all the action items i was tracking, was there anything else to note? | 17:12 |
| gouthamr | we're one day away from the 34th release of OpenStack! everything seems to be on track to get this out the door | 17:14 |
| gouthamr | bookmark the openinfra live page if you haven't already because a packed broadcast is shaping up for Oct 1st: | 17:15 |
| gouthamr | #link https://openinfra.org/live/ | 17:15 |
| * gouthamr Havana seems like yesterday | 17:16 | |
| spotz[m] | hehe | 17:17 |
| gouthamr | alrighty, let's get to our next topic: | 17:17 |
| gouthamr | #topic TC Chair election | 17:17 |
| gouthamr | i graciously accept your unanimous decision to let me steer the ship for another cycle. i'm hoping though that i can pass the baton to someone in the next term.. so i'll do all it takes to share knowledge/process as much as i can | 17:19 |
| spotz[m] | But you do so good!:) | 17:20 |
| ChristianBerendt[m] | Thank you for keeping it going. | 17:20 |
| gouthamr | i'm looking for vice-chair nominations, if you're looking to be a chair next cycle, this is a great opportunity.. | 17:21 |
| gouthamr | ty spotz[m] ChristianBerendt[m] | 17:21 |
| * gouthamr the role has been succinctly captured by this training video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nPTZqnIfFM | 17:22 | |
| * gouthamr couldn't resist. thanks, JayF | 17:23 | |
| JayF | stick-on mustache provided upon volunteering | 17:23 |
| fungi | what more incentive could anyone need? | 17:23 |
| spotz[m] | WHo's absent this week that we can nominate for co?:) | 17:24 |
| gouthamr | anyway, mnasiadka has been great at this role to rely upon.. but he asked if any volunteers would like the role.. | 17:24 |
| JayF | I nominate gouthamr2 for vice-chair, who looks suspiciously like gouthamr wearing a stick-on mustache ;) | 17:25 |
| mnasiadka | I haven’t really done a lot, and given my other hats - I won’t probably pursue being chair anytime soon ;-) | 17:25 |
| mnasiadka | So if there’s anybody else that feels he’d like to do that in future - I greatly recommend it ;-) | 17:26 |
| spotz[m] | I second JayF | 17:27 |
| gouthamr | ^ we need to rest you up. you ran the APAC-timezone meetings, which were super helpful.. we decided to stop doing them, so a lot of the role is being a back-up and avoiding the issue of a bad-choice the Chair can make when crossing the road here in Seattle | 17:27 |
| gouthamr | we also need a volunteer that's not planning to contest the 2027.2 TC/PTL elections to volunteer as the election team liaison, please... and spotz[m] can share with you what that role is. she's been a valuable help to the election officials as a second-reviewer on election candidacies/process changes etc | 17:29 |
| gouthamr | and a VMT liaison, now that we don't have bauzas | 17:29 |
| gouthamr | that role is less frequently used, but, we've seen the need to coordinate missing pieces and ensure the appropriate response to security issues in OpenStack projects... this usually means flashing the TC badge, holding the bar, pointing to the guidelines and raising alarm in case there're concerns about a project team not managing their security processes.. | 17:31 |
| gouthamr | important roles, don't make me voluntell you :D | 17:32 |
| TheJulia | heh | 17:32 |
| JayF | and I'll note: it's useful for that person to be different than gouthamr | 17:34 |
| JayF | so that he can have a VMT hat without carrying a big stick with it | 17:34 |
| gouthamr | ++ yes | 17:34 |
| mnasiadka | Who doesn’t like carrying big sticks... | 17:35 |
| spotz[m] | I might be able to, but need to check a few things first | 17:35 |
| fungi | anyone who grew up having to chop firewood in the winter | 17:36 |
| gouthamr | :P | 17:36 |
| spotz[m] | Hey firewood chopping is actually an exercise movement:) | 17:37 |
| gouthamr | alright, we'll take the day to decide. I'd like to make all the appointments by the end of the week.. | 17:37 |
| gouthamr | yeah, think of this like an opensource gym | 17:38 |
| gouthamr | alright, next up.. | 17:38 |
| gouthamr | #topic TC PTG | 17:38 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/oct2026-ptg-os-tc | 17:39 |
| gouthamr | ^ please add topics to this etherpad | 17:39 |
| gouthamr | if you're thinking about something, please add a placeholder for now.. | 17:39 |
| spotz[m] | FYI I will miss the PTG but will catch up after, heading out on 2 week PTO next week | 17:39 |
| gouthamr | ah! np, ty for letting me know.. | 17:39 |
| gouthamr | i'd like to get a split between things where we need a brainstorm, and things where we might benefit from working sessions.. so if you have topics throw them in there so we can discuss the possibilities | 17:40 |
| gouthamr | based on the discussion here last week, ildikov's begun working with the operators that participate in the radio hour, and she's put together an etherpad to gather questions/topics: | 17:41 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/ops-devs-qanda-2026 (Operators Discussions at Indri PTG) | 17:41 |
| ildikov | I think most of the suggested topics are from Ops on the etherpad right now | 17:42 |
| gouthamr | ^ feel free to add to this list, and make suggestions if a discussion will be appropriate in a TC room vs other rooms - even if that means cobbling together a cross project session involving multiple project teams, SIGs, Pop up teams, working groups | 17:43 |
| ildikov | ++ | 17:43 |
| ildikov | Please add your topics and mark the topic areas that you are interested in/have input to! | 17:43 |
| gouthamr | knowing what we want to talk will ofc allow us to play tetris with the schedule | 17:43 |
| ildikov | ++ | 17:43 |
| gouthamr | also a "request" for a session still counts.. you're proposing a question that someone else may try to answer.. these have worked sometimes - even if you don't have concrete outcomes, you'd've raised awareness to an issue | 17:45 |
| gouthamr | anything else regarding $topic? | 17:46 |
| gouthamr | #topic A check on gate health | 17:49 |
| clarkb | yesterday Zuul's sql db ran out of disk space which caused jobs to report in a split brain setup. Reports to gerrit were always accurate, but if you tried to find logs for jobs during that time they were still marked in progress because the historical record couldn't be made in the sql db | 17:50 |
| clarkb | zuuls running state is in zookeeper and is used to report to gerrit and the sql db. The web ui loads historical data from sql | 17:51 |
| gouthamr | ah, ty for noting.. | 17:51 |
| gouthamr | what causes this - a growth in jobs over time? | 17:51 |
| clarkb | I think the sql db is basically append only | 17:51 |
| clarkb | there may be a pruning tool but I don't think we're running it | 17:52 |
| clarkb | anyway disk space was expanded with lots of headroom should be a while before it is a problem again and before we need to figure out pruning | 17:52 |
| fungi | yeah, it contains the build result history, and we don't expire old result records like we do the log files themselves | 17:52 |
| fungi | since knowing when certain jobs started passing or failing can be helpful even without the details | 17:52 |
| fungi | separately, the cloud provider hosting our gerrit server and some of our test node capacity has been experiencing intermittent ipv6 routing problems, which has resulted in some random job failures as well as missed events in zuul when it gets disconnected from gerrit's ssh socket or fails to get a rest api request through. we're looking into mitigation options | 17:53 |
| fungi | (and the provider is trying to track down the fault in theor routing hardware) | 17:53 |
| gouthamr | ack.. i know infra work isn't "release" based.. but i wonder if you are seeing any changes in the way our community's been using Zuul/CI. We haven't tracked "recheck" data here in a while, nor issues with job configuration/permafails.. a lot of that work is still happening | 17:55 |
| clarkb | zuul has been surprisingly busy this week. Usually it is quiet just before a release | 17:56 |
| clarkb | but otherwise I don't know that I'ev seen anything unexpected | 17:56 |
| gouthamr | ack, i wonder if it is prepping Indri for everything that slipped. we're writing more code than can be meaningfully reviewed during a cycle.. | 17:57 |
| gouthamr | my empirical feeling from seeing how things got punted in cinder, nova, manila.. | 17:58 |
| dansmith | when is that not the case? | 17:58 |
| dansmith | I don't feel like nova punted more than normal this cycle.. if anything we pushed the virtfs migration stuff harder than we would normally have to get it over the line :) | 17:59 |
| gouthamr | sometimes, we're _very_ quiet between a release and PTG.. we're re-evaluating, but, it feels like ongoing work has kept pace deliberately | 17:59 |
| dansmith | oh you mean between release/FF and PTG (i.e. now) and not the pre-release push? | 18:00 |
| gouthamr | yes | 18:00 |
| mnasiadka | Well, cycle-trailing projects have a lot of work between a release and PTG (and later on) | 18:00 |
| gouthamr | true | 18:01 |
| gouthamr | we're over the hour | 18:01 |
| gouthamr | let's take a breather.. is there anything you'd like to capture in the minutes? | 18:01 |
| mnasiadka | I’ll be most probably unavailable next week (Open Source Summit in Prague) | 18:02 |
| gouthamr | ack mnasiadka | 18:02 |
| gouthamr | alright, please review open governance proposals, and volunteer to be a liaison! | 18:03 |
| gouthamr | thank you all for attending | 18:03 |
| gouthamr | #endmeeting | 18:03 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Sep 29 18:03:19 2026 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:03 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2026/tc.2026-09-29-17.00.html | 18:03 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2026/tc.2026-09-29-17.00.txt | 18:03 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2026/tc.2026-09-29-17.00.log.html | 18:03 |
| spotz[m] | Ok I can take VMT laison | 18:09 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Add liaison-update hashtag with PTL/liaison CR+1 check https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/1001440 | 18:20 |
| gouthamr | spotz[m]: ++ ty! | 18:23 |
| gouthamr | spotz[m]: so we killed the VMT liaisons table in the wiki ().. so we'll need to have this "tc liaison" data live elsewhere.. | 18:24 |
| gouthamr | maybe https://opendev.org/openstack/governance/src/branch/master/reference/members.yaml | 18:24 |
| gouthamr | i'd add to the "role" there | 18:24 |
| gouthamr | let me check if anything breaks if i start doing that :) | 18:25 |
| gouthamr | mnasiadka: cardoe volunteered to be vice-chair! \o/ i'm actually going to add you both to it unless you would prefer a single person play the role | 22:20 |
| gouthamr | ChristianBerendt[m]: can i nominate you to be the TC's election liaison? spotz[m] can help you situate the tasks (and we should probably document them) - doing this because you won't be contesting TC elections until 2027.1 and others in that situation (frickler cardoe gtema) will have more hats to wear for now :) | 22:21 |
| fungi | conveniently, everyone on the tc has at least seen the election process from the perspective of a nominee/candidate | 22:30 |
| gouthamr | yeah! That’s a cool goal - if you’re defining/sustaining governance, you get your hands dirty in the process 😅 | 22:31 |
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