| gouthamr | ChristianBerendt[m]: can you take a look at https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/1008009 ? | 06:40 |
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| ChristianBerendt[m] | Done. Election liaison works for me. All I need is for someone to explain to me, when the time comes, what I need to do and when. | 07:07 |
| gouthamr | noonedeadpunk: come back to the streamyard | 13:36 |
| gouthamr | ChristianBerendt[m]: thank you :) yes! that help is always here | 13:37 |
| *** croeland1 is now known as croelandt | 14:15 | |
| fungi | great tc update on openinfra.live gouthamr! | 14:17 |
| gouthamr | ty fungi! | 14:32 |
| sean-k-mooney | dumb question what is the irc channle for the ptg? opendev-events? openinfra-*? | 15:16 |
| clarkb | sean-k-mooney: should be openinfra-events: https://meetings.opendev.org/irclogs/%23openinfra-events/%23openinfra-events.2026-10-01.log.html | 15:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | cool i need to update some etherpad links ectra thanks | 15:17 |
| fungi | also mentioned with logs linked at the bottom of the interactive schedule page https://ptg.opendev.org/ptg.html | 15:24 |
| frickler | now credly is even spamming me because I'm ignoring their spam :( and don't tell me "you can click unsubscribe", that's just what all the spammers say | 16:13 |
| frickler | and that's the point where the "the data is public anyway" argument goes sideways, btw.. even though my contributor email is public, I do get essentially no spam on it. until now that the OIF has handed my data to spammers explicitly | 16:23 |
| gouthamr | frickler: i feel you, sorry to hear it. Will check if we can let LF know if this can be consent-based | 18:11 |
| gouthamr | from the get-go, instead of assumed | 18:12 |
| fungi | i get the impression from discussion on the mailing list that some of the concerns also revolve around use of commercial marketing platforms to do contributor outreach | 18:14 |
| fungi | (i share all these concerns, fwiw, but have learned to pick my battles because otherwise i would never get any work done) | 18:16 |
| fungi | as the person who used to individually e-mail every single contributor directly myself, years ago, i am aware of how much work that is and that i don't personally have time to do it any longer, but also lack the authority to tell the people who have taken it over how they can do it | 18:18 |
| gouthamr | ah, related discussion for sure.. and not stopping the questions; we can't practically self-host everything | 18:20 |
| fungi | similarly, i (in the scope of the predecessor for opendev) ran a dedicated open-source-based survey platform, but after years of not being able to convince anyone to actually use it we finally took it down so that it didn't keep wasting our limited resources | 18:20 |
| fungi | i personally dislike the use of commercial services for e-mail outreach, conducting (especially potentially sensitive) surveys, and so on, but solving those problems is full-time work on its own | 18:23 |
| ildikov | mnasiadka: you indicated for both Kolla and Magnum that you would like to have a joint discussion with Ops folks at the PTG. Are you looking for general feedback for Magnum as well, like what we discussed for Kolla? | 19:16 |
| JayF | Bluntly, this is sort of the direction I expected Foundation-side stuff to move when we got consumed by LF. More and more things like this are going to be handled in a standard LF way without regards to our historical opposition to cloud-hosted services. | 19:18 |
| JayF | I'm not even trying to imply that that it's wrong to go in that direction, just that it's not very surprising | 19:18 |
| clarkb | fwiw the survey tool predates LF | 19:19 |
| fungi | as does use of emma | 19:20 |
| fungi | though credly came via lf | 19:20 |
| JayF | I'm just saying, we should understand that, at least in the bigger scheme of things, we aren't the special snowflake we were for a while | 19:21 |
| JayF | OpenStack is finally cloud-native LOL | 19:22 |
| JayF | all puns intended | 19:22 |
| fungi | or clouds are finally openstack-native | 19:22 |
| clarkb | re fungi's earlier point about openstack infra running its own survey tool that I think hosted a grand total of two surveys: from my perspective I think the number of people who care in a way to do differently are nowhere near critical mass or large enough to supply the time/resources/money available to do things the ways we might always prefer. That leads to compromises | 19:23 |
| clarkb | we could run a bespoke survey tool for two surveys because there were resources at the time | 19:23 |
| clarkb | that has not been the case for many years | 19:23 |
| JayF | yeah, it's a tough balance; I'd have preferred just a copy+paste image to the credly stuff ... but I also don't think it's absurd to use a third party for email marketing (an impossibly hard self-hosting problem) and surveys and the like | 19:24 |
| JayF | I don't wanna be the person making that balance so while I participate in the discussions I try not to complain too hard :) | 19:24 |
| fungi | right, we self-hosted a survey playtform because some folks on the infra team felt strongly that commercial survey platforms are a bad choice, but enough people in the community also need to care about that enough to actually use it | 19:26 |
| fungi | JayF: as someone who has no interest in badges whatsoever, i also felt that the copy-paste option was less abrasive, but there is apparently also some (silent?) segment of the community that appreciates creepy stalkerish tie-ins to professional networking and social media sites they use | 19:27 |
| JayF | that's why I, as an old codger, don't put my reins on the marketing balance making :) | 19:28 |
| fungi | as someone who also despises those sorts of sites it makes no sense to me, but i accept that my opinions on such matters are uncommon | 19:28 |
| JayF | I find them eye-rolling | 19:28 |
| JayF | but I also promote my podcast on linkedin, which I'm sure would make some folks eye-roll too | 19:28 |
| JayF | (about 1/2 of them eyeroll at "podcast", the other 1/2 at "linkedin" :D ) | 19:29 |
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