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| ramishra | hi, anyone around to look at ^^^, it seems changes to default policy has broken heat tests. | 05:20 |
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| tobasco | if i'm running a ceilometer with a mongodb backend and has database.metering_time_to_live configured to some ttl value, do I have to call the ceilometer-expirer or will mongodb handle all expiring of data? | 07:11 |
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| sileht | tobasco, mongodb don't need it | 07:14 |
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| tobasco | sileht: thanks | 07:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zi Lian Ji proposed openstack/ceilometer: Enable the Load Balancer v2 events https://review.openstack.org/281777 | 07:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zi Lian Ji proposed openstack/ceilometer: Add the meter example file 'lbaas-v2-meter-definitions.yaml' https://review.openstack.org/286431 | 08:06 |
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| AJaeger | could a stable maintainer import translations for liberty, please? This should be the last import for liberty, we're stopping translations now. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280514/ jd__, eglynn, please help | 08:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Igor Degtiarov proposed openstack/ceilometer: timedelta plugin for meter definition process https://review.openstack.org/286469 | 09:41 |
| permalac | hello guys , just installed kilo on centos 7 by the book, and ceilometer shows information on the horizon dashboard but reports 'The service catalog is empty' from command line 'ceilometer meter-list' | 09:52 |
| permalac | I've sourced the admin-rc env vars and so, but I do not know how to debug this. could you help ? | 09:52 |
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| permalac | guys, do you use mongo as backend ? | 12:11 |
| permalac | What howto can I follow to have it in HA , with just 3 servers . ? | 12:12 |
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| idegtiarov | permalac, hi! you could deploy mongo in replica mode | 12:40 |
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| permalac | idegtiarov, is what I'm reading now, still don't understand how the clients know where to write when the primary changes in case of failure. | 12:41 |
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| idegtiarov | permalac, it is pymongo's headache | 12:53 |
| permalac | so, it just works, I give all the mongo server hostnames to the ceilometer.conf [database] section and it will work by itself? | 12:54 |
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| idegtiarov | permalac, yep it will | 13:10 |
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| nicodemus_ | hello gordc | 13:40 |
| gordc | nicodemus_: hey, whatsup? | 13:43 |
| nicodemus_ | gordc, not much... here to help | 13:44 |
| gordc | cool cool. i won't lie, i just finished breakfast so i haven't done anything yet. | 13:45 |
| gordc | going to start with this ubuntu machine. | 13:45 |
| nicodemus_ | gordc: haha don't worry | 13:45 |
| nicodemus_ | I don't intend to be a pain in the lower back | 13:46 |
| gordc | lol | 13:47 |
| gordc | i might have questions for you later... or probably tomorrow | 13:47 |
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| permalac | idegtiarov, thanks | 13:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/gnocchi: fix migration from v1.3 to v2.0 https://review.openstack.org/284528 | 14:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Enable the Load Balancer v2 events https://review.openstack.org/281777 | 14:20 |
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| idegtiarov | permalac, np | 14:30 |
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| idegtiarov | gordc, hi! | 14:58 |
| gordc | idegtiarov: hi | 14:58 |
| gordc | whatsup? | 14:59 |
| idegtiarov | gordc, could you please take a look on patch https://review.openstack.org/286469 the same result as we going achive with event transformers but without events without transformations without any cache | 14:59 |
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| idegtiarov | gordc, and rather small | 15:00 |
| idegtiarov | gordc, the question is could we have it in M? | 15:01 |
| gordc | idegtiarov: seems simple enough | 15:03 |
| gordc | does it actually work? i wasn't aware the plugin stuff worked for meters. | 15:04 |
| idegtiarov | gordc, yes it works | 15:05 |
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| gordc | i'm fine with it. as long as this doesn't grow in scope, i'm ok with adding it as FFE | 15:06 |
| idegtiarov | gordc, cool thanks | 15:06 |
| gordc | you need to expand tests though. i'll add a few comments | 15:07 |
| idegtiarov | gordc, will do | 15:07 |
| idegtiarov | should I move code to new meter_plugin module | 15:07 |
| idegtiarov | or it ok that it inherits event.trait | 15:08 |
| gordc | idegtiarov: i think it's ok to leave it. maybe add a TODO to refactor it better. | 15:18 |
| idegtiarov | kbyrne, thanks | 15:18 |
| idegtiarov | gordc, k thanks | 15:18 |
| gordc | np | 15:18 |
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| gordc | sileht: really weird the gnocchi dispatcher loses connection in gate. | 15:20 |
| gordc | don't know why i don't see it locally | 15:20 |
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| gordc | ityaptin_: do you have time to add a test for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285431/? | 15:22 |
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| ityaptin_ | gordc: yep, it's in progress now | 15:22 |
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| permalac | I have a mongodb primary RS and two other servers as slave, how do I set this up on the ceilometer.conf ? | 15:23 |
| gordc | ityaptin_: awesome. it seems to look good to me. | 15:24 |
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| permalac | can someone explain me how to check if ceilometer is receiving new data? | 15:59 |
| permalac | can I trigger a data-collector job ? | 15:59 |
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| gordc | permalac: what data are you looking for? | 16:08 |
| permalac | I've killed a mongodb node, and I don't see any new data on the horizon ceilometer plugin , so I would like understand how the new data is processed to find where I missplaced the configuration | 16:09 |
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| gordc | i should tell you first that mongodb has potential scaling issues... and also the horizon plugin is being disabled as it's not actually functional | 16:11 |
| permalac | ouch! | 16:11 |
| gordc | that said, you should really consider what metrics you want. http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/telemetry-measurements.html | 16:11 |
| gordc | some metrics are gathered via polling. others are built from notifications from the services. | 16:12 |
| permalac | I'm in Kilo but we intend to standarize openstack as company platform, so I'm really interested on how to show the measurements if not with horizon. | 16:12 |
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| gordc | if it's kilo, you can continue with horizon+ceilometer. how functionaly it is, will be debatable. | 16:14 |
| gordc | also, kilo will be eol in the coming weeks | 16:14 |
| permalac | it's not even nice, I agree with that. But if we are just starting may be we should already move to whatever will be in the future. | 16:14 |
| gordc | permalac: that makes sense. i think you can get support for mongodb but i believe people have started to look at alternatives. | 16:15 |
| gordc | we have Gnocchi (gnocchi.xyz) which is one alternative. | 16:16 |
| gordc | you can also look at other tsdb but that you'd have to build yourself. | 16:16 |
| permalac | I found what I did wrong, I changed the mongodb connection string but I did not restart collector . now it works. | 16:16 |
| permalac | tsdb ? whats that? | 16:16 |
| gordc | time series db | 16:17 |
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| permalac | and what about ELK or similar tools , do someone use it ? | 16:17 |
| gordc | something like prometheus or opentsdb | 16:17 |
| gordc | we support elasticsearch for our events (open-text, log based data) | 16:18 |
| gordc | it apparently can support metric data but that could just be a marketing point | 16:18 |
| gordc | i would just start with a db you're familiar with. | 16:19 |
| gordc | ceilometer doesn't make any effort to scale dbs. the data is just passed to whatever db you select with the assumption you know how to operate that db | 16:20 |
| permalac | but I don't mind the db, I would like a nice way to extrat information from all the data. | 16:20 |
| permalac | *extract | 16:20 |
| gordc | what's 'all the data'? | 16:20 |
| permalac | the metric data, | 16:21 |
| permalac | we will store 6 months of that for report pourposes, probably on a secondary database instance with some delay , but I would like to have a nice way to see the statistics and reports as for billing pourposes | 16:22 |
| permalac | billing based on usage will be the end of the road. | 16:22 |
| gordc | permalac: if you want all the data (including it's metadata) you will run into scaling problems. the standard dbs ceilometer provides store everything, so it will be very verbose and performance may be a concern. | 16:23 |
| gordc | if you want performant results over a longer time period (such as 6 months), you'll want to look at a tsdb which will aggregate and optimise the data so it doesn't' grow uncontrollably | 16:24 |
| gordc | s/standard/legacy/ | 16:25 |
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| anteaya | hello telemetry | 17:16 |
| anteaya | I attended the ops meetup in manchester at which there was a scientific working group session | 17:16 |
| anteaya | I had agreed to bring some ceilometer feedback from the ops back to devs | 17:17 |
| anteaya | here is the link to the etherpad for the scientific working group session: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MAN-ops-Scientific-WG | 17:17 |
| anteaya | on line 116 there is a section for monitoring tools | 17:17 |
| anteaya | the overall feeling from the room is that ceilometer is slow | 17:18 |
| anteaya | regardless of the backend | 17:18 |
| anteaya | to the point that some were indicating that they were using other solutions or looking to find other solutions | 17:18 |
| anteaya | I'll link to this channel log in my follow up to the operators list to share with operators that I brought this feedback to the developers | 17:19 |
| anteaya | thanks for listening | 17:19 |
| gordc | anteaya: thanks for the feedback | 17:19 |
| anteaya | gordc: would you like to respond in any way? | 17:19 |
| gordc | anteaya: i believe everyone is aware of the storage issue | 17:19 |
| anteaya | either in channel or on the post I create to the ops list? | 17:20 |
| anteaya | okay | 17:20 |
| anteaya | are there any specs or blueprints up that I can point operators to? | 17:20 |
| gordc | anteaya: to be honest, it'd be better to get feedback here rather than a generic dump every yera | 17:20 |
| anteaya | okay | 17:20 |
| gordc | anteaya: we've been working on gnocchi. | 17:21 |
| anteaya | so how would you like me to reply to operators when I talk to them | 17:21 |
| anteaya | what is gnocchi? | 17:21 |
| gordc | anteaya: i know others have their own drivers using hbase or opentsdb | 17:21 |
| anteaya | is performance different with hbase or opentsdb? | 17:21 |
| gordc | anteaya: 'please ask questions in the list or irc' that'd be a start | 17:22 |
| anteaya | well they don't know how | 17:22 |
| anteaya | for many of them this was the first time they had interacted with any developers | 17:22 |
| gordc | anteaya: also, we can't really do anything about mongodb. we don't own or develop mongodb so i'm not sure what action they'd like us to take on that | 17:23 |
| anteaya | and for the sceientific working group this was the first time they had met each other | 17:23 |
| anteaya | well it is less we want you to take action foo and more, we are using this and it isn't working | 17:23 |
| gordc | gnocchi is our attempt at building a time series driven storage, which does pre-aggregations | 17:24 |
| anteaya | so I said I appreciating hearing their experience and would do my best to communicate that | 17:24 |
| anteaya | okay | 17:24 |
| anteaya | what stage is gnocchi at? | 17:24 |
| gordc | this will effectively minimise the db size and response as it rollsup data and does all its computations before request rather than after request | 17:25 |
| anteaya | great | 17:25 |
| anteaya | what stage is it at? | 17:25 |
| gordc | anteaya: that's cool. thanks for communicating it. we like feedback, it's just very difficult to fix if we can't followup/dive-in to problems | 17:26 |
| anteaya | agreed | 17:26 |
| gordc | anteaya: gnocchi just released 2.0 | 17:26 |
| gordc | we have a few people testing. thanks to them. | 17:26 |
| anteaya | who is testing it? | 17:26 |
| gordc | but yeah, we just need testers. | 17:26 |
| gordc | nicodemus_: cloudkitty folks for one. | 17:27 |
| gordc | it's integrated in gate with heat/aodh. | 17:27 |
| anteaya | do people need to be using heat and aodh to use gnocchi? | 17:27 |
| gordc | anteaya: no. it' just handles data storage (gnocchi.xyz) | 17:28 |
| gordc | aodh handles alarming, so it uses data stored in gnocchi | 17:28 |
| gordc | heat uses aodh for alarms | 17:28 |
| anteaya | I don't know what gnocchi.xyz is | 17:28 |
| gordc | ceilometer uses gnocchi for storage | 17:28 |
| anteaya | so gnocchi is a backend? | 17:29 |
| anteaya | does gnocchi replace mongodb for instance? | 17:29 |
| gordc | it's a website. xyz is one of those new fancy domain names | 17:29 |
| anteaya | oh | 17:29 |
| gordc | same as http://docs.openstack.org/developer/gnocchi/ | 17:29 |
| gordc | gnocchi would replace mongodb's metering capabilities yes. | 17:30 |
| anteaya | yeah I don't understand why docs are in two places | 17:30 |
| anteaya | but I will defer that since I want to stay focused on operator feedback | 17:30 |
| gordc | it's the same docs. just published to multiple targets | 17:30 |
| anteaya | yeah I don't understand that choice | 17:30 |
| anteaya | so is gnocchi faster than mongodb? | 17:30 |
| anteaya | so is the response to ceilometer is slow is to use gnocchi for storage? | 17:31 |
| gordc | depends what you need. | 17:31 |
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| anteaya | well seems the scientific group would like speed | 17:32 |
| gordc | mentioned briefly in notes: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ceilometer/architecture.html | 17:32 |
| anteaya | would they get speed out of using gnocchi? | 17:32 |
| gordc | speed for querying responses? | 17:33 |
| anteaya | yes that would count I believe | 17:33 |
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| gordc | anteaya: in theory yes, you have quicker queries since the statistic is already computed | 17:34 |
| anteaya | great | 17:34 |
| anteaya | have any tests been able to confirm that yet? | 17:35 |
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| gordc | anteaya: not one for one comparisons. | 17:35 |
| anteaya | okay thanks | 17:35 |
| gordc | https://julien.danjou.info/blog/2015/gnocchi-benchmarks | 17:35 |
| anteaya | this is useful information | 17:36 |
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| gordc | we have benchmarks from a while back... but that's not on ceilometer data | 17:36 |
| anteaya | oh | 17:36 |
| anteaya | okay | 17:36 |
| anteaya | thanks for the chat gordc | 17:36 |
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| anteaya | I'll post the link to this log to operators and call this action item done | 17:36 |
| gordc | anteaya: np. i would recommend ops or anyone come visit us here | 17:37 |
| gordc | we don't bite | 17:37 |
| anteaya | good to know | 17:37 |
| gordc | but we are predominately asia/euro based | 17:37 |
| anteaya | hopefully my post with get some folks to comment on the thread | 17:37 |
| anteaya | so maybe a conversation will get started | 17:37 |
| anteaya | thanks gordc | 17:37 |
| gordc | anteaya: cool cool. thanks for providing feedback | 17:38 |
| anteaya | happy to help | 17:38 |
| anteaya | gordc: the link to my ml post on -operators: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-March/009709.html | 17:43 |
| gordc | anteaya: great. thanks | 17:44 |
| anteaya | welcome | 17:47 |
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| nicodemus_ | gordc: certainly | 19:18 |
| nicodemus_ | gordc: please tell me your IP address, so that I set up the rule in the firewall | 19:19 |
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| gordc | nicodemus_: cool, i think i found where it's going nuts. just need to figure out what the right response is. | 20:30 |
| gordc | nicodemus_: thanks for lending me the machine. | 20:30 |
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| nicodemus_ | gordc: no problem! anytime | 20:36 |
| nicodemus_ | gordc: could you elaborate on where it's going nuts? | 20:37 |
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| nicodemus_ | hi alejandrito | 20:38 |
| nicodemus_ | hi alejandrito | 20:38 |
| nicodemus_ | alejandrito: hi | 20:39 |
| gordc | nicodemus_: i need to play around with it a bit more but from what i can tell, round_timestamp is designed to handle single timestamp | 20:40 |
| gordc | nicodemus_: but when we do split https://github.com/openstack/gnocchi/blob/master/gnocchi/carbonara.py#L318 | 20:40 |
| gordc | it's eventually sending the entire index of the series. | 20:40 |
| gordc | i'm thinking we need to handle that in more than a single line. | 20:42 |
| nicodemus_ | gordc: nice catch | 20:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Add /usr/local/{sbin,bin} to rootwrap exec_dirs https://review.openstack.org/282962 | 22:29 |
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