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openstackgerritNikhil Manchanda proposed a change to openstack/trove-integration: Build guest-image with compat=0.10 on trusty  https://review.openstack.org/11828300:59
openstackgerritNikhil Manchanda proposed a change to openstack/trove-integration: Install additional oslo modules in guest image  https://review.openstack.org/13101200:59
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openstackgerritNikhil Manchanda proposed a change to openstack/trove-integration: Install additional oslo modules in guest image  https://review.openstack.org/13101201:02
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openstackgerritNikhil Manchanda proposed a change to openstack/trove-integration: Check for existence of screen before start/stop  https://review.openstack.org/13101401:40
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openstackgerritNikhil Manchanda proposed a change to openstack/trove-integration: Fix the image-build workflow to install dib-utils  https://review.openstack.org/13101803:32
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/trove-integration: Fix the image-build workflow to install dib-utils  https://review.openstack.org/13101803:47
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openstackgerritNikhil Manchanda proposed a change to openstack/trove-integration: Fix cmd_dsvm_gate_tests to run tests in dsvm gate  https://review.openstack.org/13105709:12
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/trove: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/13008910:19
openstackgerritNikhil Manchanda proposed a change to openstack/trove-integration: Fix cmd_dsvm_gate_tests to run tests in dsvm gate  https://review.openstack.org/13105710:34
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/trove: Couchbase Root Password Can Go Out Of Sync  https://review.openstack.org/12909511:01
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openstackgerritDenis M. proposed a change to openstack/trove-specs: Added Cassandra cluster spec  https://review.openstack.org/12273613:21
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openstackgerritDenis M. proposed a change to openstack/trove-specs: Added Cassandra cluster spec  https://review.openstack.org/12273613:28
openstackgerritDenis M. proposed a change to openstack/trove-specs: Added Cassandra cluster spec  https://review.openstack.org/12273613:29
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iccha2amrith: pinging again for replication review :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119771/816:38
amrithiccha2, will take a look now.16:44
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iccha2thanks amrith17:04
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openstackgerritNikhil Manchanda proposed a change to openstack/trove-integration: Fix cmd_dsvm_gate_tests to run tests in dsvm gate  https://review.openstack.org/13105717:51
openstackgerritNikhil Manchanda proposed a change to openstack/trove-integration: Check for existence of screen before start/stop  https://review.openstack.org/13101417:52
SlickNikamrith: added a bug for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131014/17:54
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/trove-integration: Check for existence of screen before start/stop  https://review.openstack.org/13101417:58
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openstackgerritNikhil Manchanda proposed a change to openstack/trove-integration: Install additional oslo modules in guest image  https://review.openstack.org/13101217:59
openstackgerritNikhil Manchanda proposed a change to openstack/trove-integration: Build guest-image with compat=0.10 on trusty  https://review.openstack.org/11828317:59
SlickNik#startmeeting trove-bp-meeting18:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Oct 27 18:00:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'trove_bp_meeting'18:00
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SlickNikAgenda at:18:00
SlickNik#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveBPMeeting18:00
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SlickNikLooks like we have a full agenda this morning, so let's get started.18:02
SlickNik#topic Add RAM, Cores, and Volume Count to Quotas18:02
SlickNik#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129734/18:03
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SlickNikamcrn: Anything to add?18:05
amcrnSlickNik: not really, the crux of it is in the blueprint, and it's fairly to the point as-is.18:06
amrithamcrn, would you add a section on how you'd expect people to set these values18:06
amcrnamrith: not sure i follow?18:06
amrithor since I assume you are using this already, provide some examples from your usage.18:06
SlickNikamcrn: I had a question, but I can add it to spec. It's regarding whether the API call will expose these new limits?18:06
SlickNikLooks fairly straightforward.18:07
amcrnSlickNik: oh, good point. it does, i'll make sure to amend the spec to include that. thanks!18:07
SlickNikAny other question on this?18:08
iccha2is the maximum bumber of volumes, just the number of volumes or is it in terms of MB as well?18:08
amcrniccha2: the size check already exists as a quota policy, this just checks the # of volumes.18:08
iccha2ok makes sense18:08
amrithamcrn, would you be able to add sample numbers18:10
amrithto the questions I had in the review18:10
amrithI'm not entirely how to set these numbers other than the defaults (which are basically wide open).18:10
amrithI'm assuming that they have to be less than the corresponding Nova limits18:10
amcrnamrith: it's up to the deployer. cores could be set equal to the # of instances, or whatever.18:10
amrithbut the question is, by how much?18:10
amcrndepends on what type of flavors you support18:10
amrithok, so the implementation is basically a further protection18:11
amrithover and above what Nova and other projects already support.18:11
amrithsounds good.18:11
amriththx18:11
amcrnnp18:11
johnmathis is related to what SlickNik just mentioned about the api calls but I am assuming we should be able to update these values through the api as well18:11
amcrnjohnma: if the current code review doesn't allow that, and it works for the others, i'll make sure to fix that. so yes, the new quotas should be discoverable via quota-show, and should be able to be updated via mgmt-quota-update.18:12
amcrngood point, thanks18:12
johnmasure, sounds good, thanks18:13
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SlickNikOkay, sounds good. Let's move on if there are no further questions.18:13
SlickNik.18:13
amrithwhat're we doing18:13
amrithwith respect to process18:13
amrithjust +1 the review?18:13
SlickNikamrith: We're going to let folks look at the spec and +1/+2 it offline.18:14
amriththx18:14
amcrn#topic Make Rsync For Guest Optional Spec18:15
amcrn#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129740/18:15
SlickNikirc://zncserver.dyndns.org:5000/#topic Make Rsync For Guest Optional18:15
SlickNikwhoops18:15
SlickNikthanks amcrn18:15
amcrn:)18:15
amcrnthis change is mostly symbolic. helps new deployers understand how a production image could be built.18:16
* grapex awards amcrn 5 niceness points18:18
SlickNikamcrn: +1. We've recently got a lot of questions similar to - "But how does the guest code make it to the instance"18:18
grapexThat's a pretty good idea since there seems to be so much confusion on that topic18:18
amcrngrapex: can i get a gold star to put on the board as well?18:18
grapexamcrn: No18:18
* grapex has limits18:18
amcrn:/18:18
johnmaso you mention that it requires setting  GUEST_LOCAL_TROVE_DIR  and GUEST_LOCAL_TROVE_CONF. is this to be set in the diskimage-builder element and if so is there a default value or something like that18:19
amcrnjohnma: well, if you're using redstack, you can set it in redstack.rc (like so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119488/5/scripts/redstack.rc)18:19
amcrnbut otherwise, yes, you'd have to set it before the diskimage-builder create call18:19
amcrn(see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119488/5/scripts/functions_qemu)18:20
johnmaaah ok, I should have gone through the work item. thanks amcrn18:21
amcrnjohnma: no worries, good question.18:21
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SlickNikSo if the files exist on the image, does the rsync still happen and fail (or do we need to change it to stop the rsync from occurring in that case?)18:22
johnmawill we document this somewhere?18:22
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amcrnSlickNik: the rsync does not happen anymore18:22
SlickNikOkay — sounds good.18:22
SlickNikLooks good to me. Thanks amcrn18:23
amcrnSlickNik: mostly because https://github.com/openstack/trove-integration/blob/master/scripts/files/trove-guest.upstart.conf#L20 is satisfied18:23
SlickNikAh, that explains it18:23
SlickNikOkay, let's move on.18:24
SlickNik#topic Enance Mgmt-Show To Support Deleted Instances18:24
SlickNik#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129752/18:24
grapexI was honestly surprised the other day when someone told me this wasn't possible18:27
grapexI could've sworn it used to be18:27
SlickNikYeah, I'm surprised that this is broken too.18:28
iccha2why do we need the query parameter? why cant we just show the instance irrespective of it is deleted or not since its just a show call?18:28
SlickNikDo we even need an extra parameter (i.e. deleted=true) on the GET call?18:28
amcrni added the extra parameter on the GET to be backward compatible18:28
iccha2haha same point SlickNik18:28
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grapexiccha2: Good point18:28
grapexamrcn: Hmmm...18:28
amcrnit's quite possible someone has tooling that relies on an error being thrown if the instances is deleted18:29
grapexI guess some people might rely on getting an error for a deleted instance18:29
amcrninstance*18:29
grapexamcrn: makes sense18:29
iccha2hmm ya i can see that.18:29
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grapexRemember kids, don't let bugs get into your API. Otherwise you end up having to support them forever as legacy behavior. :p18:29
* amcrn hums the G.I. Joe tune18:30
SlickNikfair point.18:30
grapexToo bad we never had a test that showed a deleted instance.18:30
SlickNikWell, we could have just as easily had one that did, and expected an error.18:30
SlickNikSo no help there.18:31
grapexSlickNik: Your right, it depends on however the person who wrote the test felt that day18:31
edmondkAs one point about query parameters the get should always show everything and the query parameter should just be doing filtering on the get18:32
edmondknot sure if that's how trove always uses query parameters just my two cents18:33
amcrnedmondk: this would definitely be interesting to bring up to the newly formed api committee, because there's quite a few openstack apis that rely on the "GET only shows active unless --deleted true is provided"18:33
amcrnnot sure the best practices on it18:33
amcrnedmondk: fwiw, the current pattern is never show deleted unless there's a parameter explicitly saying to. it's fairly consistent across nova + cinder + glance + etc.18:34
edmondkamcrn: That works as well as long as the API is consistent18:35
SlickNikYeah, FWIW there's also the "all-tenants" query param in OpenStack APIs (for admins) that doesn't follow the same pattern18:36
amcrnSlickNik: all-tenants is frustrating, because you usually want to target a specific one, and you can't18:36
amcrnbut that's another point altogether18:36
SlickNikYeah.18:36
SlickNikOkay, any other questions regarding this one?18:37
SlickNik. Let's move on18:37
SlickNik#topic Guest Agent RPC Ping Pong Mgmt AP18:37
SlickNik#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130392/18:37
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SlickNikamcrn: What's the use case for this?18:42
amcrnSlickNik: this has been very handy when triaging rabbitmq issues18:42
amcrnclient hangups (zombie connections), etc.18:43
amcrnin short, if you look at your guestagent.<uuid> topics for non-draining, then rpc_ping, then mgmt-show, it provides a holistic picture as to what's going on.18:44
edmondkMain use case then is for monitoring/heart beat then?18:44
amcrni'd say it's purpose is the same as mgmt-show, except far more limited18:45
amcrnmgmt-show isn't useful in many scenarios, because you can't distinguish between the volume disappearing or the guestagent not being reachable via rpc (since get_filesystem_info is what returns the volume information)18:45
SlickNikMy one concern here would be that we're adding a mgmt API for a use-case that's very developer / debugging centric.18:46
SlickNikBut one can argue that that's what part of the mgmt APIs should be for.18:47
amcrnSlickNik: yeah, it's definitely a bit grey, but i couldn't think of an alternative for operators.18:48
SlickNikedmondk: I wouldn't  think you'd want to build a monitoring solution on top of this — heartbeats would probably be a better alternative for that.18:50
SlickNikedmondk: Seems to me more of a tool / method to detect and diagnose amqp issues.18:51
SlickNikamcrn: Other than that, looks fairly straightforward.18:51
amcrnSlickNik: cool, appreciate the feedback18:52
SlickNikAnyone else have any more questions regarding this?18:52
SlickNikThat's all we have this morning.18:53
SlickNik#endmeeting18:53
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amcrnthanks for the feedback everyone18:53
SlickNikThanks all!18:53
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openstackgerritAuston McReynolds proposed a change to openstack/trove-specs: Quota For RAM, Cores, & Volume Count Spec  https://review.openstack.org/12973419:04
amcrn^^: made a note about the quota apis. tested it and it functions as expected. fyi.19:04
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed a change to openstack/trove-specs: Add RSS feed  https://review.openstack.org/13125319:40
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dhellmannhi, all! a while back I started setting up RSS feeds in all of our specs repositories. Somehow I missed trove, so I just submitted https://review.openstack.org/131253 to correct that. I would like to add links to all of the RSS feeds to http://specs.openstack.org, and don't want to leave trove out again. I'd appreciate it if you took a quick look at 131253 today, if possible.19:43
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openstackgerritSimon Chang proposed a change to openstack/trove: Move the Trove Guest Agent to its own module  https://review.openstack.org/11942519:52
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openstackgerritMat Lowery proposed a change to openstack/trove-integration: Reuse existing screen window when restarting Trove  https://review.openstack.org/12358220:09
denis_makogonguys, i'd like to grab some feedbacks on https://gist.github.com/denismakogon/15561df6dc5ddc60ba74, it would help us to make certain decisions before weekly meeting. Feel free to put some comments on gist. Thanks20:11
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denis_makogonmat-lowery, hi, Mat, could you please tell Auston that i've been looking for him, if it's possible. Thanks20:13
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dhellmannSlickNik: ^^ about the RSS feeds, when you have some time20:33
SlickNikdhellmann: Was just looking at that patch.20:33
dhellmannSlickNik: cool, thanks, just wanted to make sure someone saw it20:33
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setmasonQ: Does Trove support Oracle?22:23
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SlickNiksetmason: No, trove doesn't support Oracle.22:30
SlickNiksetmason: You might find this useful: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/DatastoreCompatibilityMatrix22:30
setmasonDamn.  Been looking for one of these forever.  Couldn’t find a link to it.22:31
SlickNiksetmason: A word of caution though — replication is currently only supported for mysql, and clustering is currently only supported for MongoDB22:32
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SlickNiksetmason: Let me update that page to reflect that.22:33
setmasonThanks.  If you could put a link to the matrix on the front page that would be great.22:33
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